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According to Paddo every single person who votes no has been brainwashed by the MSM. That’s a very big call. I’m still grappling with the whole thing. I would like to see Albanese and co give more detail on the yes vote. If he wants us to vote yes, tell us more. Or is that the MSM’s fault too?
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[QUOTE=mightyrooster. According to Paddo every single person who votes no has been brainwashed by the MSM. Thats a very big call. Im still grappling with the whole thing. I would like to see Albanese and co give more detail on the yes vote. If he wants us to vote yes, tell us more. Or is that the MSMs fault too?
Well the MSM never elaborates, just look at the coverage of any strike action or the Ukraine tragedy for that matter.
* Not "brainwashed", they look to the media (or can't escape it to be more accurate). Where else would they get any info on anything? They certainly don't research.
* We vote on a question. The Parliament then hammers out the detail. To that extent, there is no present detail. There would be an array of talking points but nothing set in stone until the parliament decides on what will be legislated. The "more detail" is a right wing red herring.
* "Albanese and Co" eh? You can take the girl out of the country..........
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[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n1019383][QUOTE=mightyrooster. According to Paddo every single person who votes no has been brainwashed by the MSM. Thats a very big call. Im still grappling with the whole thing. I would like to see Albanese and co give more detail on the yes vote. If he wants us to vote yes, tell us more. Or is that the MSMs fault too?
Well the MSM never elaborates, just look at the coverage of any strike action or the Ukraine tragedy for that matter.
* Not "brainwashed", they look to the media (or can't escape it to be more accurate). Where else would they get any info on anything? They certainly don't research.
* We vote on a question. The Parliament then hammers out the detail. To that extent, there is no present detail. There would be an array of talking points but nothing set in stone until the parliament decides on what will be legislated. The "more detail" is a right wing red herring.
* "Albanese and Co" eh? You can take the girl out of the country..........
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Well I would like to make an informed decision as I DO like to research.
And what is that last comment supposed to mean? This dumb naive country bumpkin is confused. Albo and co, meaning the government that is proposing we vote yes. Clearly something has gone over my head.Comment
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I can assure you of one thing MR, anyone brainwashed by the MSM will definitely be voting 'Yes'.Originally posted by mightyrooster View Post#We Stand with ourJewish community#Comment
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Comrade Paddo likes to think of himself as being the smartest person in the room but unfortunately for him he is in the wrong room.
Some questions folk may have
Advice given to Parliament from the Voice to Parliament
Q) What happens if Parliament decides not to act on this advice - what legal recourse does the Voice to Parliament have when this occurs.
Proposed makeup of the Voice to Parliament
Q) The proposed makeup of the Voice to Parliament is heavily city centric - what guarantees are there that regional and remote Aboriginals and Torres Straight Islanders will be listened too and action taken on their concerns.
Object of the Voice to Parliament is to close the Gap and making the lives of all Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders better
Q) What are the Guarantees that this will happen under a Voice to Parliament especially when all the other programs and funding have failed to deliver any noticeable improvement.
Q) Will there be a review of the effectiveness of the Voice to Parliament in fulfilling the role it was created forComment
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Nice try sunshine however there are no prizes for second!Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View PostFVCK CANCERComment
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[QUOTE=Andrew Walker;n1019355]It’s how you try to get ahead out that way Andy.Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View PostFVCK CANCERComment
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Your room is padded with no door handles isn’t it?Originally posted by King Salvo View PostFVCK CANCERComment
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[QUOTE=mightyrooster; And what is that last comment supposed to mean? This dumb naive country bumpkin is confused. Albo and co, meaning the government that is proposing we vote yes. Clearly something has gone over my head.
"And Co" is usually a disparaging phrase. The Libs, with Murdoch's help have made the referendum a Labor thing when the principle is one supported by many groups in the community including some Libs. That is the tactic, make he thing party political when it's a Community wide issue.
I'd like Andy to elaborate on the diverse motives of indigenous nay sayers. A treaty I can believe and I respect that but I can't really see any other motive. I've already said that they've seen similar bodies before and have been disappointed. I am surprised at the Nay Sayers here but just goes to show...
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[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n1019423][QUOTE=mightyrooster; And what is that last comment supposed to mean? This dumb naive country bumpkin is confused. Albo and co, meaning the government that is proposing we vote yes. Clearly something has gone over my head.
"And Co" is usually a disparaging phrase. The Libs, with Murdoch's help have made the referendum a Labor thing when the principle is one supported by many groups in the community including some Libs. That is the tactic, make he thing party political when it's a Community wide issue.
I'd like Andy to elaborate on the diverse motives of indigenous nay sayers. A treaty I can believe and I respect that but I can't really see any other motive. I've already said that they've seen similar bodies before and have been disappointed. I am surprised at the Nay Sayers here but just goes to show...
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I wasn’t aware that So and So and Co was exclusively used by one side of politics. In all seriousness I haven’t really made up my mind yet. I genuinely want to vote yes but still have some reservations.Comment
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Lol, I can honestly say I haven’t really been paying much attention to what’s been said about it in the media. The only thing I remember was a recent article about the no vote losing ground. I didn’t read the whole spiel though. Sorry edited to say I meant the YES vote was losing ground, not the no vote!Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View PostLast edited by mightyrooster; 08-11-2023, 08:53 PM.Comment
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i'm voting yes. pretty much everyone including the libs is saying that it's a good idea to recognise aborigines in the constitution as pre-1788 australians. with a stroke of the pen we can reflect that reality.
the voice? the worst that can be said about it is that it could be ineffective if it doesn't propose things that the parliament will accept, or if you get a parliament that doesn't take notice of it. on the other hand it could be effective.
no doubt not every aborigine will vote yes but a yougov poll earlier this year showed there was 83% support amongst aborigines, not to mention that this is a proposal that came from aborigines.Comment
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I quote the following comments on the latest Essential polling.
Essential breaks down two reasons people would vote “No”: “It won’t make a real difference to the lives of ordinary Indigenous Australians” (58 percent agree) and “It will give Indigenous Australians rights and privileges that other Australians don’t have (42 percent agree). That leaves the “Yes” case with a dilemma: will it counter the idea that it will do nothing, or the idea that it will do too much. This suggests that people who are struggling financially may have no objection to the Voice, but will vote “No” as a protest vote. It’s the politics of grievance.
Dutton seems to have seized on the Voice as a chance to kill what he (falsely) portrays as an Albanese initiative. He would see a failure of the Voice as an embarrassment for Albanese, and therefore a step towards the Coalition’s return to office. Conservative commentator and Australian columnist Chris Kenny is on record for having written that the Coalition is using the Voice campaign as a “partisan, political weapon to be used against the federal Labor government”.
A success in killing the Voice could be a pyrrhic victory for Dutton, for it would confirm the impression among young and well-educated voters, many of whom are passionate about the Voice, that he is a wrecker, or to use Kenny’s words, that he is presenting the Coalition as “ugly” and “cynical”.
Nay saying is easy and it appeals because we hate change. I hope, Brothers and sisters of the RWB, that you don't put yourselves on the wrong side of History on this one. Our indigenes have held onto their culture tenaciously since settlement. They never, anywhere, wanted to be a part of what they saw. Their culture surrounds the way that they live - the egalitarianism of it, the the bond of clan relationships has not changed since hunter gathering and the city dwellers have their version of it. Unwilling to integrate they were herded over cliffs, murdered. It will be a long time before they abandon culture if ever and it is a culture inimical to our white way of life. We should respect that and surely we owe them the very modest inclusion that they're asking for?
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Like a race car driver going through a chicane, Rupert went right, left and then on a long continuous right movement.Comment
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