Lucky Dips

[Random Rooster]

Members of the Azov Battalion which recruits neo Nazis from all over the world and which was let loose on Russian speaking enclaves in the east after the 2014 US inspired coup. These are the people that we are supporting and cheering on but our MSM never mentions them or their affiliations. Their great grandfathers began the Holocaust during the Nazi invasion of Russia in 1941.

Yes Paddo i remember you telling us about the Azov Battalion 2 years ago....you even posted the above picture as proof. They are a fighting group of approx 900, with 10-20% estimated to being Neo Nazis- lets call it 20% and round it up and make it 200 Nazis. In fact lets round it up again and say all 900 are Nazis. Do you really believe Russia was willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of lives and tens and thousands of casualties just to put the above group out of business?? Sorry i can't buy it.

The irony of Putin and far right organisations......

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/arti...y-of-neo-nazis

The author : https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/rhorvath

[Paddo Colt 61]

Sampson is satirical right? If not, no surprise really. I've just finished reading "When America Stopped Being Great" by Nick Bryant, an America loving English journalist. Quite well researched and quite depressing, Certainly puts Trump in perspective. The nuttiness of the place exposed, at last, by the internet and Right Wing domination of media.

He points the finger at the Reagan years and the final dismantling of the New Deal which is pretty much general knowledge. The 50s were the first and only salad days of the US working class, the New Deal's boost to Unionism came to fruition then. Now all that is in the past.

In the wider polity, it seems to me that partisan extremism has always been a feature of their "Democracy". Even their "War of Independence" had its origins in Britain's growing antipathy to slavery in the 18th Century. Slavery was, and remains, their Original Sin.

[King Salvo]

I need to respond Randy because younger people (Brothers and sisters in RWB) need to know that there is much more to the story.

Putin listed de Nazification as an adjunct to halting the drift towards NATO expanding into Ukraine and threatening Russian security. Oliver Stone lays that all out.

Following the Maidan coup, Russian enclaves in the East and Crimea reacted forcefully and declared themselves autonomous. Fascist elements like the Azovs were set upon them and 14000 died between 2014 and 2022. There were Azov atrocities'

Yours are sweeping statements - "Putin has never shown any concern for the welfare of anyone anywhere" - that are simply emotional assertions consistent with dumb Western demonisation. I like debating but it needs to be reasoned.

Ah yes, the resident red Comrade Paddo overlooks the fact that Russia has more neo-Nazi's per capita than any other country—the Russian Imperial Legion. Rusich groups, for instance, and, of course, Wagner.

Wagner's co-founder, Dmitry Utkin, was a great admirer of Nazi Germany, and the group got its name from his alias "Wagner," who of course was the favourite composer of the Nazi Party in Germany for obvious reasons: anti-Semitic.

On November 19, 2018, Svoboda and fellow Ukrainian nationalist political organisations, the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, Right Sector, and C14, endorsed Ruslan Koshulvnskyi's candidature in the 2019 Ukrainian presidential election. In the election, Ruslan Koshulvnskyi's and all the United Nationalist Party's parties received 1.6% of the votes.

In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary elections, a united party list that included nationalist right-wing parties Svoboda, Right Sector, Government Initiative of Yarosh, and National Corps obtained less than 2.15% of the votes combined and did not receive enough votes to clear the 5% election threshold, thus losing all seats in Verkhovna Rada.

Less than 2.15% of voters in Ukraine voted for Nationalist or what you would call Neo Nazi Parties which is far less than anywhere else in Europe.

So this dispels the myth created by your Putin that the war he started was about so called "de-nazifying" Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrain...ism#References

NATO

Well, that has backfired on your Putin, hasn't it, with Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Your Putin overlooks the fact that sovereign, independent countries can determine for themselves what organisation they can apply to join, whether it be NATO or the EU as he still thinks it's Soviet Union Times.

Putin doesn't like it when citizens of a country vote in governments that look West and aren't puppet governments installed by the Kremlin.

Total Bollocks that Ukraine posed any threat to Russia at all.




Ukraine

The Donbas and Crimea are in Ukraine, not Russia. Russia initiated and created the separatist movements by backing, funding, and arming the militias in these regions.- Ditto Georgia -

The 14,000 odd casualties related to 6,500 pro-Russian separatist fighters, 4,400 Ukrainian fighters, and 3,404 civilians.

Chechnya

The Chechens wanted independence too from Russia - 2 Brutal Wars started by Russia end when they install a pro Russian puppet government

Grozny Chechnya after the relentless Russian Bombing




Ukraine

Mariupol Ukraine before and after the Russian Siege




Georgia - Another War started by Russia - Backed Ossetia and Abkhazia militants to form self proclaimed republics which are in reality Russian "Independent" republics.

https://www.rferl.org/a/war-gerogia-.../29417350.html

I could mention Syria too where Russian along with co - conspirators Turkey and Iran back the despot regime of al- Assad - close to 700,000 casualties. - Türkey's Genocide of Kurdish Muslims continues.

[Random Rooster]

Sampson is satirical right? If not, no surprise really.

Sampson is an example of why America needs gun control. Neurotic and agitated, he takes the concept of " first world problems " to a new level. The world is full of suffering and injustice but Samson just cares about how much its costing him to fill up at the petrol station LOL !! What he needs is solar panels on the roof and a electric car.....but im pretty sure if you suggest it to his face he would bring out a gun, wave it around and carry on about his second amendment rights !!!!

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=King Salvo;n1038848]
* Less than 2.15% of voters in Ukraine voted for Nationalist or what you would call Neo Nazi Parties which is far less than anywhere else in Europe.
So this dispels the myth created by your Putin that the war he started was about so called "de-nazifying" Ukraine.

No it doesn't. The cabal that the US aided to power was/is extreme Nationalist from western Ukraine. They resurrected Stepan Bandera as a national hero - Nazis in other words.

* Total Bollocks that Ukraine posed any threat to Russia at all.

Ukraine by itself is no major threat but resident NATO and the US are. You refuse to look at US geopolitics, you're all about Goodies V Baddies - puerility!

[King Salvo]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n1038914]

* Less than 2.15% of voters in Ukraine voted for Nationalist or what you would call Neo Nazi Parties which is far less than anywhere else in Europe.
So this dispels the myth created by your Putin that the war he started was about so called "de-nazifying" Ukraine.

No it doesn't. The cabal that the US aided to power was/is extreme Nationalist from western Ukraine. They resurrected Stepan Bandera as a national hero - Nazis in other words.

* Total Bollocks that Ukraine posed any threat to Russia at all.

Ukraine by itself is no major threat but resident NATO and the US are. You refuse to look at US geopolitics, you're all about Goodies V Baddies - puerility!

Ukrainians saw the Germans as liberators as they remembered the Holodomor orchestrated by Stalin—forced starvation to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement. Of course, the Germans had other ideas.

Bandera was seen as a Ukrainian ultranationalist. He was arrested by the Gestapo in June 1941 after proclaiming an independent Ukraine in Lviv and for his refusal to revoke the decree. Bandera was arrested and imprisoned in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp until 1944. Bandera's army fought Nazis just as much as they fought Soviets.

Your Putin is an admirer of Stalin, calling him a great leader and what not and bemoaning the collapse of the Soviet Union. He obviously forgets about the Army Purges and the Gulag Archipelago and the tens of millions murdered plus mass deportations of Muslims to Siberia and Far East Russia, etc.

I'm not quite sure why you still bring up NATO as another reason. Finland and Sweden applied to join NATO, so if NATO was a reason, why didn't your Putin invade Finland and Sweden? Finland has a 1,300-kilometre border with Russia, and the Swedish island of Gotland lies just 300 kilometres from the home of Russia's Baltic Fleet. Helsinki to St. Petersburg by plane is less than 1 hour.

You don't listen that closely to your Putin's ramblings; he seems to have become a tsarist now, talking about the old Russian Empire days and even denouncing Lenin by saying he created Ukraine.

Your Putin has often stated and again recently stated that Ukraine is not even a state or country and is historically part of Russia, and that Russians and Ukrainians “are one people, and Kiev is the mother of Russian cities.

It has zero to do with "de-Nazification or de-militarization" or NATO. It's was about absorbing Ukraine into a so called new Russian Empire with Putin as the "Tsar"

[Paddo Colt 61]

Nobody is lionising Russia, it is certainly no better or worse than the US when all is said and done and the fact is that 90% of the World does not accept the Western position. We don't hear about that of course.

The Global South sees the West for what it is, the lies and hypocrisy are not overlooked. The global medling since the 50s is clear and goes on unashamedly. What can one make of the cant about moderation in Gaza while still supplying money and weapons to Israel, vetoing UN Cease Fire resolutions and bombing, illegally, entities that are actually trying to do something about the genocide? What to make of the cruel silencing of Julian Assange who did nothing but tell us all the truth and give credence to whom is really the Great Satan? What to make of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, WMDs and the China "threat" when the US spends more on its military and hundreds of bases worldwide than do the next 6 nations combined including China.

No my friend, please don't try to divert us, we have Taylor Swift to do that, fools that we mostly are.

[mightyrooster]

Lol..Taylor Swift. It’s doing my head in the reporting of everything she says in concert or the fans reactions as main headline news. Clearly there’s nothing else of importance happening for the past week. Disclaimer being my own daughter will be at her concert tonight!!

[Random Rooster]

Nobody is lionising Russia, it is certainly no better or worse than the US when all is said and done and the fact is that 90% of the World does not accept the Western position. We don't hear about that of course.

Does that mean MSM isn't fooling 90% of the world.....and in Australia we are part of the 10% who are fooled?

[Andrew Walker]

Nobody is lionising Russia, it is certainly no better or worse than the US when all is said and done and the fact is that 90% of the World does not accept the Western position. We don't hear about that of course.

The Global South sees the West for what it is, the lies and hypocrisy are not overlooked. The global medling since the 50s is clear and goes on unashamedly. What can one make of the cant about moderation in Gaza while still supplying money and weapons to Israel, vetoing UN Cease Fire resolutions and bombing, illegally, entities that are actually trying to do something about the genocide? What to make of the cruel silencing of Julian Assange who did nothing but tell us all the truth and give credence to whom is really the Great Satan? What to make of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, WMDs and the China "threat" when the US spends more on its military and hundreds of bases worldwide than do the next 6 nations combined including China.

No my friend, please don't try to divert us, we have Taylor Swift to do that, fools that we mostly are.

Bravo PC Bravo

[Paddo Colt 61]

Does that mean MSM isn't fooling 90% of the world.....and in Australia we are part of the 10% who are fooled?

It does mean that we have a media dominated by USA news agencies and in our case by Murdoch.

[Random Rooster]

It does mean that we have a media dominated by USA news agencies and in our case by Murdoch.

With Ukraine facing a shortage of men and weapons, is it likely that a powerful army like Russia could swiftly defeat them and force a submission within a week or two you would have to think???

In other news.......Swedens bid to join NATO, which had been previously blocked by Hungary, has finally been given the green light by the Hungarians. Sweden and Hungary must be in that 10% that dont support Russia's military move on Ukraine

[Paddo Colt 61]

Russia's special military intervention aims are limited to consolidating the Russian majority enclaves in the East and the Crimea. The might of the army has never been employed nor will it be. The total conquest of Ukraine is not the agenda. The aim of all war is to force a political settlement asap.

Sweden has a right wing government in recent years which came to power, like so many others in Europe, on the back of anti immigration hysteria.

[mightyrooster]

And in breaking news Taylor Swift’s jet has just left the country. Hopefully this means the end of her dominating the ‘news’ the past two weeks.

[Andrew Walker]

Well we’ll well Look at this court ruling in Queensland

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103515692