The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[mightyrooster]

To True

But for how much longer I don't know

Here is a controversial opinion. Indigenous culture is in part misogynist because the domestic violence rate is 40 times higher than the non indigenous domestic violence rate.

Yes I agree that the stats suggest the level of domestic violence amongst the indigenous is much higher. Something needs to be done about that. Well actually domestic violence is not acceptable in any culture or circumstance.

[Big Dog]

hahahaha anyone here remember WA and Aussie opening batsmen Graeme Wood?? Notorious for running out his teammates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rxCUax1yY

He was in a Fosters commercial too
https://youtu.be/EETA4hzWecQ?si=YMW1aGoXbHoLIFox

[Jacks Fur Coat]

I think rcptn and MR are getting closer to what we (as a nation) should be focussing on.

The appalling DV rates in remote communities should be top priority, not swept under the carpet for an intangible Voice that is not grass roots representative at all.

People are getting hung up on 'Closing the Gap' which is hammered into us as a people as being the cure-all for our indigenous. I think its a catchphrase we borrowed off Canada.

We've already made incredible progress as a country in facilitating opportunities and subsequent achievements for people with indigenous ancestry. There are people in business, politics, the arts, sport, public administration, the judiciary, education system etc etc....all walks of life. Its a great thing, and we should come at any further proposals of reform from that position of strength, not one of deficit. The opportunities for young indigenous people are only limited by what they want to do.

Reconciliation is another term that gets bandied about. An impressive young Aboriginal man on the telly the other night said "Reconciliation occurs every day". He's right...as we work and walk together in the abovementioned fields of endeavour and life in general, it's all reconciliation.

The 'Gap' exists in remote communities and all the $$ and goodwill hasn't seen living standards improve as hoped. Its a tough one....how do you impose standards and a way of life on remote communities without a fuller assimilation into general western culture and society? And do those people and communities even want greater assimilation? Probably not. Esp the current elders, but with no movement on that front it then becomes a generational issue.

Trying to put this Voice in the Constitution was a flawed idea and one Albanese didnt think through, hoping it would pass through without due scrutiny. He buggered up, and it's causing unnecessary division.

One positive though, is its got people actually thinking about the issues and talking more openly. And thats a good thing.

[rcptn]

I think rcptn and MR are getting closer to what we (as a nation) should be focussing on.

The appalling DV rates in remote communities should be top priority, not swept under the carpet for an intangible Voice that is not grass roots representative at all.

People are getting hung up on 'Closing the Gap' which is hammered into us as a people as being the cure-all for our indigenous. I think its a catchphrase we borrowed off Canada.

We've already made incredible progress as a country in facilitating opportunities and subsequent achievements for people with indigenous ancestry. There are people in business, politics, the arts, sport, public administration, the judiciary, education system etc etc....all walks of life. Its a great thing, and we should come at any further proposals of reform from that position of strength, not one of deficit. The opportunities for young indigenous people are only limited by what they want to do.

Reconciliation is another term that gets bandied about. An impressive young Aboriginal man on the telly the other night said "Reconciliation occurs every day". He's right...as we work and walk together in the abovementioned fields of endeavour and life in general, it's all reconciliation.

The 'Gap' exists in remote communities and all the $$ and goodwill hasn't seen living standards improve as hoped. Its a tough one....how do you impose standards and a way of life on remote communities without a fuller assimilation into general western culture and society? And do those people and communities even want greater assimilation? Probably not. Esp the current elders, but with no movement on that front it then becomes a generational issue.

Trying to put this Voice in the Constitution was a flawed idea and one Albanese didnt think through, hoping it would pass through without due scrutiny. He buggered up, and it's causing unnecessary division.

One positive though, is its got people actually thinking about the issues and talking more openly. And thats a good thing.

Nailed it mate

I think they put the DV problem in the too hard basket unfortunately because it's a cultural issue that money cannot fix.
I was surprised recently when I found the gap in life expectancy was about 8 years only and as you say most of that is due to living in remote communities.

[Random Rooster]

I think rcptn and MR are getting closer to what we (as a nation) should be focussing on.

The appalling DV rates in remote communities should be top priority, not swept under the carpet for an intangible Voice that is not grass roots representative at all.

People are getting hung up on 'Closing the Gap' which is hammered into us as a people as being the cure-all for our indigenous. I think its a catchphrase we borrowed off Canada.

We've already made incredible progress as a country in facilitating opportunities and subsequent achievements for people with indigenous ancestry. There are people in business, politics, the arts, sport, public administration, the judiciary, education system etc etc....all walks of life. Its a great thing, and we should come at any further proposals of reform from that position of strength, not one of deficit. The opportunities for young indigenous people are only limited by what they want to do.

Reconciliation is another term that gets bandied about. An impressive young Aboriginal man on the telly the other night said "Reconciliation occurs every day". He's right...as we work and walk together in the abovementioned fields of endeavour and life in general, it's all reconciliation.

The 'Gap' exists in remote communities and all the $$ and goodwill hasn't seen living standards improve as hoped. Its a tough one....how do you impose standards and a way of life on remote communities without a fuller assimilation into general western culture and society? And do those people and communities even want greater assimilation? Probably not. Esp the current elders, but with no movement on that front it then becomes a generational issue.

Trying to put this Voice in the Constitution was a flawed idea and one Albanese didnt think through, hoping it would pass through without due scrutiny. He buggered up, and it's causing unnecessary division.

One positive though, is its got people actually thinking about the issues and talking more openly. And thats a good thing.

Albo went to the election saying if Labor wins then the referendum will be held. I didn't hear any opponents of it trying to make it a reason not to vote Labor. You cant say this was just thrusted upon us without any warning. You could say the same about John Howard and the GST- he took it to the election-he won- and he did what he said he would do. Thats fair and right.

Obviously this issue is going to cause a division- hence the referendum. If everyone was on the same page one way or another then theres no need for a referendum- we would just go with the obvious consensus! Once the referendum is over then we have the answer-and from there we need to move on to what can be best for the indigenous community. Letting the people decide is what democracy is about....and unlike the dogs breakfast in the US, Australia does democracy well.

So yes i agree its a good thing that it has people talking about the issue- because the status quo is a band aid on a haemorrhage.

No matter won wins the loser will come out with some whinging- either Australia is racist for voting no, or Australia voting yes has now caused a divide by race....but tough titties-the people have spoken!

[A Country Member]

Sticking with the sport topic that brought us all here, here is the US take from over 20 years ago on what we face. Sad that we have likely regressed and even sadder when coming from a nation such as the USA.

Did I mention sad?
This video is pure joy

[rcptn]

Sticking with the sport topic that brought us all here, here is the US take from over 20 years ago on what we face. Sad that we have likely regressed and even sadder when coming from a nation such as the USA.

Did I mention sad?
This video is pure joy

Regressed in what way?

[mightyrooster]

I think rcptn and MR are getting closer to what we (as a nation) should be focussing on.

The appalling DV rates in remote communities should be top priority, not swept under the carpet for an intangible Voice that is not grass roots representative at all.

People are getting hung up on 'Closing the Gap' which is hammered into us as a people as being the cure-all for our indigenous. I think its a catchphrase we borrowed off Canada.

We've already made incredible progress as a country in facilitating opportunities and subsequent achievements for people with indigenous ancestry. There are people in business, politics, the arts, sport, public administration, the judiciary, education system etc etc....all walks of life. Its a great thing, and we should come at any further proposals of reform from that position of strength, not one of deficit. The opportunities for young indigenous people are only limited by what they want to do.

Reconciliation is another term that gets bandied about. An impressive young Aboriginal man on the telly the other night said "Reconciliation occurs every day". He's right...as we work and walk together in the abovementioned fields of endeavour and life in general, it's all reconciliation.

The 'Gap' exists in remote communities and all the $$ and goodwill hasn't seen living standards improve as hoped. Its a tough one....how do you impose standards and a way of life on remote communities without a fuller assimilation into general western culture and society? And do those people and communities even want greater assimilation? Probably not. Esp the current elders, but with no movement on that front it then becomes a generational issue.

Trying to put this Voice in the Constitution was a flawed idea and one Albanese didnt think through, hoping it would pass through without due scrutiny. He buggered up, and it's causing unnecessary division.

One positive though, is its got people actually thinking about the issues and talking more openly. And thats a good thing.

You make some good points. I like that people are talking about these issues. We can’t move forward as a nation if we don’t address it and talk about it. Also, yes how do the remote indigenous communities improve their way of life and living standards while maintaining their own culture and beliefs? How do we achieve that? Is it possible to even achieve that?

[Random Rooster]

Did Warren Mundine ever come good was his pledge to divest all his business interests before the 2022 election - including a company that received a $5 million government grant in 2018 ? Genuine question because i may have missed it.

[rcptn]

Did Warren Mundine ever come good was his pledge to divest all his business interests before the 2022 election - including a company that received a $5 million government grant in 2018 ? Genuine question because i may have missed it.

Was that the company that was helping indigenous people to set up small businesses?

[ism22]

...how do the remote indigenous communities improve their way of life and living standards while maintaining their own culture and beliefs? How do we achieve that? Is it possible to even achieve that?

I think the answer to this is through the voice. A large benefit is that it would capture opinions about what progress is wanted and feed those opinion to lawmakers through a consistent voice (rather than 'oh Cathy Freeman says this... Noel Pearson says this... Jacinta Price says this...etc'). It would leave in-fighting behind the scenes, reducing the noise and turning it into a message that 'the Voice' says [blah]'.

Personally I don't think Albo's buggered up. I think the Libs were SUPPOSED to be bipartisan about the Uluru Statement (and it had massive support about a year ago). Since then, the far-right has wrestled control of the 'Coalition' (yet again) and mischievously reneged on a bipartisan policy position.

Various jurisdictions have given it bipartisan support. I'll be interested to see where that goes as a lot of Liberals are for the Voice...

[player 1]

I think the answer to this is through the voice. A large benefit is that it would capture opinions about what progress is wanted and feed those opinion to lawmakers through a consistent voice (rather than 'oh Cathy Freeman says this... Noel Pearson says this... Jacinta Price says this...etc'). It would leave in-fighting behind the scenes, reducing the noise and turning it into a message that 'the Voice' says [blah]'.

Personally I don't think Albo's buggered up. I think the Libs were SUPPOSED to be bipartisan about the Uluru Statement (and it had massive support about a year ago). Since then, the far-right has wrestled control of the 'Coalition' (yet again) and mischievously reneged on a bipartisan policy position.

Various jurisdictions have given it bipartisan support. I'll be interested to see where that goes as a lot of Liberals are for the Voice...

The "far right". LOL.

64% of Australians are far right according to the polls.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

The "far right". LOL.

64% of Australians are far right according to the polls.

Speaking of extremists, we got another little piece of theatre in Brisbane yesterday where Jacinta was speaking on the referendum.

The usual rent-a-crowd uni dropouts with their load hailers and sptheshully made placards outside screaming "Vile racist!!" and other personal slurs against her. Signs saying "No pride in geniocde"......Wtf??

All Caucasian young'uns telling an Aboriginal woman with lived experience and ancestry she has no place in this debate...bewdy.

Where's the love, compassion and empathy that are (apparently) the cornerstones of the Yes campaign? Albo...you keep reminding us what a grass roots, inclusive loving campaign this is? Better remind your supporters...oh and Noel and Marcia could do with a refresher too...

[mightyrooster]

I think the answer to this is through the voice. A large benefit is that it would capture opinions about what progress is wanted and feed those opinion to lawmakers through a consistent voice (rather than 'oh Cathy Freeman says this... Noel Pearson says this... Jacinta Price says this...etc'). It would leave in-fighting behind the scenes, reducing the noise and turning it into a message that 'the Voice' says [blah]'.

Personally I don't think Albo's buggered up. I think the Libs were SUPPOSED to be bipartisan about the Uluru Statement (and it had massive support about a year ago). Since then, the far-right has wrestled control of the 'Coalition' (yet again) and mischievously reneged on a bipartisan policy position.

Various jurisdictions have given it bipartisan support. I'll be interested to see where that goes as a lot of Liberals are for the Voice...

I don’t know if it had massive Liberal support about a year ago, but Dutton has certainly turned into a base politics argument which is very disappointing. Also, I’m still not sure the Voice would work as you would hope with many indigenous communities being in remote areas, but the mechanics of it have never been properly explained.

[ism22]

Speaking of extremists, we got another little piece of theatre in Brisbane yesterday where Jacinta was speaking on the referendum.

The usual rent-a-crowd uni dropouts with their load hailers and sptheshully made placards outside screaming "Vile racist!!" and other personal slurs against her. Signs saying "No pride in geniocde"......Wtf??

All Caucasian young'uns telling an Aboriginal woman with lived experience and ancestry she has no place in this debate...bewdy.

Where's the love, compassion and empathy that are (apparently) the cornerstones of the Yes campaign? Albo...you keep reminding us what a grass roots, inclusive loving campaign this is? Better remind your supporters...oh and Noel and Marcia could do with a refresher too...

I've disproven all your FUD and this is all I get... claims that me agreeing with Cathy Freeman instead of Jacinta Price is racist. Nice try mate...

Keep wolf whistling. My mind's been made up and I'm very comfortable with my decision based on discussions with my indigenous friends/colleagues.