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Now that the dust has settled it's time to question the PMs role in all this.
Aside from the fact he wasted 400 mill of the taxpayers money, he seems to have mixed up the referendum with an election.
He shouldn't have been out and about shoving his opinion down peoples throat...........................he should have been impartial.
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Originally posted by Carlos Parra View Post
Do you feel better now diddums?
If you had half a functioning brain cell, you'd re-read what I wrote. I said "by his logic". I didn't say you unequivocally support the Hamas atrocities, but I do say that you lack any moral clarity and should think twice before engaging your feminine fingers on your sticky keyboard.
Have your little tantrum and shut the hell up like many of the YES voters have now threatened to do (I can only pray). I see you've invoked the power of Google to pad out your unbearably lame response, but here's a little bit of wisdom..any person or organisation helping themselves to Commonwealth money has absolutely ceded sovereignty.
Give it a rest, you illiterate, low IQ bedwetter. Most of Australia voted NO, most of the indigenous voted NO, but here you are sermonising from the mount. Get over yourself princess.
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Originally posted by eddie View PostNow that the dust has settled it's time to question the PMs role in all this.
Aside from the fact he wasted 400 mill of the taxpayers money, he seems to have mixed up the referendum with an election.
He shouldn't have been out and about shoving his opinion down peoples throat...........................he should have been impartial.
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IMO it's a time for everybody to just accept the outcome and move on without all the daggers. Not the result that I wanted but such is life.
There will be other opportunities for social progression, particularly in the space of indigenous rights. Like I did before the referendum, I'm gonna ask those who are close to me what they want and continue to support them in obtaining it where possible.
That's my only real message. If people wanna help progress indigenous rights then it doesn't end here. Nobody's stopping any of us from increasing our awareness/engagement with related matters. Maybe it's the wake-up call some of us wanted? Adding a few lines to the constitution is just that. I can guarantee that a large section of the woke, champaign left woulda acted as though they'd fixed everything for indigenous Australians. That was never gonna be the case and I'm personally taking this as a wake-up call that I should be doing SOMETHING rather than just backing a movement for constitutional change (which is always gonna be inherently political).Last edited by ism22; 10-16-2023, 04:21 PM.
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Originally posted by ism22 View PostIMO it's a time for everybody to just accept the outcome and move on without all the daggers. Not the result that I wanted but such is life.
There will be other opportunities for social progression, particularly in the space of indigenous rights. Like I did before the referendum, I'm gonna ask those who are close to me what they want and continue to support them in obtaining it where possible.
That's my only real message. If people wanna help progress indigenous rights then it doesn't end here. Nobody's stopping any of us from increasing our awareness/engagement with related matters. Maybe it's the wake-up call some of us wanted? Adding a few lines to the constitution is just that. I can guarantee that a large section of the woke, champaign left woulda acted as though they'd fixed everything for indigenous Australians. That was never gonna be the case and I'm personally taking this as a wake-up call that I should be doing SOMETHING rather than just backing a movement for constitutional change (which is always gonna be inherently political).
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Originally posted by eddie View PostNow that the dust has settled it's time to question the PMs role in all this.
Aside from the fact he wasted 400 mill of the taxpayers money, he seems to have mixed up the referendum with an election.
He shouldn't have been out and about shoving his opinion down peoples throat...........................he should have been impartial.
Once that damage was done though, I think he had a responsibility to try and prosecute the Yes case. But he did it so poorly not being across his brief, and not even reading the supposedly guiding document. He needed to make a clear case for HOW the proposed constitutional change would improve the lives of Aboriginal Australians, and demonstrate that a No vote would be a bad practical (not ideological) step. Instead he was sitting in the red dirt digging for Yams, and running around the country in his Yes tshirt looking for photo ops. I felt a bit sorry for the Yes campaigners on the ground, they were left with little bargaining chips from their leaders. Saying it was racist or uncaring about Indigenous people to vote No was campaign suicide. Meanwhile many Aussies and their families can't pay the bills and family stress impacts mount.
I am a bit angry and quite saddened that this referendum was ever proffered. It's pencilled an imaginary line of division amongst Australians that simply doesn't exist. Reconciliation in this country has been a brilliant success. People forget that sometimes.
Moving forward? We need a proper audit or preferably a Royal Commission into where the billions of dollars has gone. From all governments and going back a ways. There has undoubtedly been some corruption and mismanagement of big dollars within the structures and programs that we had, and still have. Piss off what was failed and be serious about who gets the funding to help reduce disadvantage. And lastly, and probably most importantly, address the sexual abuse and domestic violence occurring in Aboriginal communities. If you can make a difference there Albo, even I will congratulate you and what a great outcome to take to an election.
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Originally posted by Jacks Fur Coat View Post
I agree its the main question Ed, and Albanese should never have taken such a flimsy ideology based question to the people. He divided us unnecessarily as soon as the question was framed.
Once that damage was done though, I think he had a responsibility to try and prosecute the Yes case. But he did it so poorly not being across his brief, and not even reading the supposedly guiding document. He needed to make a clear case for HOW the proposed constitutional change would improve the lives of Aboriginal Australians, and demonstrate that a No vote would be a bad practical (not ideological) step. Instead he was sitting in the red dirt digging for Yams, and running around the country in his Yes tshirt looking for photo ops. I felt a bit sorry for the Yes campaigners on the ground, they were left with little bargaining chips from their leaders. Saying it was racist or uncaring about Indigenous people to vote No was campaign suicide. Meanwhile many Aussies and their families can't pay the bills and family stress impacts mount.
I am a bit angry and quite saddened that this referendum was ever proffered. It's pencilled an imaginary line of division amongst Australians that simply doesn't exist. Reconciliation in this country has been a brilliant success. People forget that sometimes.
Moving forward? We need a proper audit or preferably a Royal Commission into where the billions of dollars has gone. From all governments and going back a ways. There has undoubtedly been some corruption and mismanagement of big dollars within the structures and programs that we had, and still have. Piss off what was failed and be serious about who gets the funding to help reduce disadvantage. And lastly, and probably most importantly, address the sexual abuse and domestic violence occurring in Aboriginal communities. If you can make a difference there Albo, even I will congratulate you and what a great outcome to take to an election.
It was great to see Mundine call out the left and right for their past failings - his anger was heartfelt and palpable.
Albo also needs to sack Burney and appoint Price from the opposition to be Aboriginal Affairs Minister.1985: 1 try vs Parramatta, 1 try vs Manly, 1 try vs Wests, 2 tries vs Souffs
1986: 2 tries vs Illawarra, 1 try vs Balmain, 2 tries vs Norths.
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Originally posted by Carlos Parra View Post
For your wishes to happen, it requires Albanese to get off his shiny arse and do what Abbott has done for years.
It was great to see Mundine call out the left and right for their past failings - his anger was heartfelt and palpable.
Albo also needs to sack Burney and appoint Price from the opposition to be Aboriginal Affairs Minister.
So Albo needs to
A) Appoint himself " Minister Prime Minister for Aboriginal Affairs"
B) Reduce Indigenous community service programs in the next budget by 500 million
C) Make no changes or scrap the hand picked and Abbott introduced "Indigenous Advancement Strategy" which has mismanaged billions of dollars of funding for the Aboriginal community services.
D) Personally hand pick community programs based on who gained the most out of them (cough cough Warren Mundine)
E) Make absurd comments like "I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then-unsettled or scarcely settled great south land."
F) Get turfed out by his own party after only 2 years for being a malaka of the highest order
Oh somewhere in there go out into a Aboriginal community and pick up a hammer and pose for Murdochs media who just "happen" to be covering it.
There you go, problem solved!!
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Originally posted by Random Rooster View Post
So Albo needs to
A) Appoint himself " Minister Prime Minister for Aboriginal Affairs"
B) Reduce Indigenous community service programs in the next budget by 500 million
C) Make no changes or scrap the hand picked and Abbott introduced "Indigenous Advancement Strategy" which has mismanaged billions of dollars of funding for the Aboriginal community services.
D) Personally hand pick community programs based on who gained the most out of them (cough cough Warren Mundine)
E) Make absurd comments like "I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then-unsettled or scarcely settled great south land."
F) Get turfed out by his own party after only 2 years for being a malaka of the highest order
Oh somewhere in there go out into a Aboriginal community and pick up a hammer and pose for Murdochs media who just "happen" to be covering it.
There you go, problem solved!!1985: 1 try vs Parramatta, 1 try vs Manly, 1 try vs Wests, 2 tries vs Souffs
1986: 2 tries vs Illawarra, 1 try vs Balmain, 2 tries vs Norths.
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