The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[The Monk]

Who are these corporate politicians and why is it so necessary for then to have this constitution?

How did Whitlam stitch up the country and what did Bob Hawke do?

What has Beazley as a leader of the opposition who was never the PM got to do with it?

Tom Rogers has only been in charge of the electoral commission since 2013- when you saying "sorting out" do you mean the election of Albanese was rigged ?

The House and Senate - Every one of them stand in Treason.
Whitlam effectively removed the Crown from the Constitution. Changed Royal Stiles. Mind you the constitution 1900 UK has been bastardized since the 50s. some reading is required only because its too long to explain in a thread. Gough also ratified the Lima convention - effectively ensuring all Trade and Manufacturing off shored in the future. So much for supporting the worker hey?
Bob the fiddler Created the Australia Act - solidified the work Gough did and sold us out to the UN - incorporated us. Things like "The Queen of Australia, The Commonwealth of Australia - all corporations registered in the US. Ths country is a business. And we dont own or run it.

Beazley just confirmed what all politicians know...We are sold to the UN.This is quoted and gazetted in Parliament. More reading.

There hasnt been a straight election for 50 years. The recent NSW State election was a farce as was the recent 3 Federals. OI only quote those because Ive seen evidence suggesting foul play. For example...Boxes of ballot in mail in voting being removed by staff in their private vehicles and taken home...thats a no no due to no chain of custody. Lots of independent candidates had votes not counted at the last State election for NSW. I was a scrutineer and had many a fights/arguments with electoral officials..over protocol and rules.t. (Thats not Tom...Tom's Federal but you get the gist).

So Ive tried to summarize and answer your questions. You have some reading to do and that will tell you more. I encourage everyone to do the same as I did to wake up and realise whats going on. We are slaves.

Now in relation to the Voice. Gven all Ive mentioned, we do not want the sign up our First Nations to the Corporation - which is what contracting them to the Constitution will do. We want them to remain sovereign owners (The country was never claimed under Terra Nullius - it was occupied and always belonging to some one before the British.) The corporation needs them signed up...then ALL the land (not just whites) will go to the UN. Mabo would be rolling n his grave.

Our First Nations people do not need a Treaty. Because thats what this is....Surrender and Contract. Look at whats happened to Indigenous Nations that have signed one in Canada, NZ, and US for starters.

No they want us divided, broke and then dead.

I hope Ive been able to explain my view. Ive used information to do that but of course I dont want to go too much into t because its alot to absorb - especially if ts the first time youve heard it.

Oh and for context - we do need a Constitution...we the people need to have one that cares for all regardless of Race and color. This current one inst the answer - in case anyone thinks Im not anti Constitution.

But the point is if you trust corrupt corporate government then you deserve everything you get.

[Random Rooster]

The House and Senate - Every one of them stand in Treason.
Whitlam effectively removed the Crown from the Constitution. Changed Royal Stiles. Mind you the constitution 1900 UK has been bastardized since the 50s. some reading is required only because its too long to explain in a thread. Gough also ratified the Lima convention - effectively ensuring all Trade and Manufacturing off shored in the future. So much for supporting the worker hey?
Bob the fiddler Created the Australia Act - solidified the work Gough did and sold us out to the UN - incorporated us. Things like "The Queen of Australia, The Commonwealth of Australia - all corporations registered in the US. Ths country is a business. And we dont own or run it.

Beazley just confirmed what all politicians know...We are sold to the UN.This is quoted and gazetted in Parliament. More reading.

There hasnt been a straight election for 50 years. The recent NSW State election was a farce as was the recent 3 Federals. OI only quote those because Ive seen evidence suggesting foul play. For example...Boxes of ballot in mail in voting being removed by staff in their private vehicles and taken home...thats a no no due to no chain of custody. Lots of independent candidates had votes not counted at the last State election for NSW. I was a scrutineer and had many a fights/arguments with electoral officials..over protocol and rules.t. (Thats not Tom...Tom's Federal but you get the gist).

So Ive tried to summarize and answer your questions. You have some reading to do and that will tell you more. I encourage everyone to do the same as I did to wake up and realise whats going on. We are slaves.

Now in relation to the Voice. Gven all Ive mentioned, we do not want the sign up our First Nations to the Corporation - which is what contracting them to the Constitution will do. We want them to remain sovereign owners (The country was never claimed under Terra Nullius - it was occupied and always belonging to some one before the British.) The corporation needs them signed up...then ALL the land (not just whites) will go to the UN. Mabo would be rolling n his grave.

Our First Nations people do not need a Treaty. Because thats what this is....Surrender and Contract. Look at whats happened to Indigenous Nations that have signed one in Canada, NZ, and US for starters.

No they want us divided, broke and then dead.

I hope Ive been able to explain my view. Ive used information to do that but of course I dont want to go too much into t because its alot to absorb - especially if ts the first time youve heard it.

Oh and for context - we do need a Constitution...we the people need to have one that cares for all regardless of Race and color. This current one inst the answer - in case anyone thinks Im not anti Constitution.

But the point is if you trust corrupt corporate government then you deserve everything you get.

Thank you for your reply. That's a lot to digest in one go. There seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes in a lot of what you say that i cant get my head around- but thats ok, its good to have different opinions.

[Andrew Walker]

Thank you for your reply. That's a lot to digest in one go. There seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes in a lot of what you say that i cant get my head around- but thats ok, its good to have different opinions.

Apart from calling it treason which is more opinion ( in saying that in its true definition what has been done is treasonous) The first paragraph from The Monk is all fact.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2004A03181

A bit on the Lima Agreement for you Finally people speaking out

https://dlp.org.au/dlp-calls-for-rev...a-declaration/

[zac]

the lima declaration and the australia act have nothing to do with constitutional recognition of aborigines

[Andrew Walker]

the lima declaration and the australia act have nothing to do with constitutional recognition of aborigines

Perhaps you should read through the thread and see how this has come up. Now it might have nothing to do with The Voice but what it shows is our own politicians do not always have our best interests at heart. Just like many are saying that this voice does not have our best interests at heart and is a potential smokescreen for other intentions.

Unlike the Lima agreement which technically we can pull out of Although I suspect this will never happen as we are way too far up the UNs arse. Should this voice prove to be detrimental to Australians there is no chance of getting out.

PS Feel free to tell us all how the Lima agreement or Australia Act are in our best interests

[zac]

Perhaps you should read through the thread and see how this has come up. Now it might have nothing to do with The Voice but what it shows is our own politicians do not always have our best interests at heart. Just like many are saying that this voice does not have our best interests at heart and is a potential smokescreen for other intentions.

Unlike the Lima agreement which technically we can pull out of Although I suspect this will never happen as we are way too far up the UNs arse. Should this voice prove to be detrimental to Australians there is no chance of getting out.

PS Feel free to tell us all how the Lima agreement or Australia Act are in our best interests

i don't know what effect the lima agreement had on australian manufacturing but i do know that australian manufacturing was in a bad way before 1975. the australia act was a no brainer - why should the uk have power over us?
politicians often get things wrong and dutton's got it wrong on the voice

[Andrew Walker]

i don't know what effect the lima agreement had on australian manufacturing but i do know that australian manufacturing was in a bad way before 1975. the australia act was a no brainer - why should the uk have power over us?
politicians often get things wrong and dutton's got it wrong on the voice

I once again append a link with the consequences signing the Lima agreement has had on Australia

https://dlp.org.au/dlp-calls-for-rev...a-declaration/

For some reason you seem to think this whole voice is about Dutton Or that people are only opposing it because he is Which is completely wrong. But you keep telling yourself that zac

[zac]

I once again append a link with the consequences signing the Lima agreement has had on Australia

https://dlp.org.au/dlp-calls-for-rev...a-declaration/

For some reason you seem to think this whole voice is about Dutton Or that people are only opposing it because he is Which is completely wrong. But you keep telling yourself that zac

haha, you're the one who said that pollies don't always have our best interests at heart. i was pointing out that dutton is also a politician. ditto the dlp.
the voice is about constitutional recognition of aborigines

[Andrew Walker]

I strongly suggest you go back to the post from The Monk #88

Paragraphs 1,4, 5 and 6 Are an excellent introduction and what you should focus on. Although the whole thing is well written and explained Paragraph 5 relates to why the voice is not in the indigenous peoples best interests

[zac]

I strongly suggest you go back to the post from The Monk #88

Paragraphs 1,4, 5 and 6 Are an excellent introduction and what you should focus on. Although the whole thing is well written and explained Paragraph 5 relates to why the voice is not in the indigenous peoples best interests

yeah? post 88 is 2 paragraphs long.
everybody knows constitutional recognition for aborigines is a good idea and this referendum acknowledges that the first australians were here before 1788. the voice is just an advisory body, a body that can make representations to parliament and government, and can't make laws.

[Andrew Walker]

yeah? post 88 is 2 paragraphs long.
everybody knows constitutional recognition for aborigines is a good idea and this referendum acknowledges that the first australians were here before 1788. the voice is just an advisory body, a body that can make representations to parliament and government, and can't make laws.

My bad it is post 91 I suggest you read the lot But paragraphs 1 4 5 and 6 Paragraph 5 being pivotal in regards to the voice

Ive copied and pasted paragraph 5 beneath

Now in relation to the Voice. Gven all Ive mentioned, we do not want the sign up our First Nations to the Corporation - which is what contracting them to the Constitution will do. We want them to remain sovereign owners (The country was never claimed under Terra Nullius - it was occupied and always belonging to some one before the British.) The corporation needs them signed up...then ALL the land (not just whites) will go to the UN. Mabo would be rolling n his grave.

I also append a piece on the Mabo ruling in regards to Terra Nullius

https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/mabo-case

[zac]

The House and Senate - Every one of them stand in Treason.
Whitlam effectively removed the Crown from the Constitution. Changed Royal Stiles. Mind you the constitution 1900 UK has been bastardized since the 50s. some reading is required only because its too long to explain in a thread. Gough also ratified the Lima convention - effectively ensuring all Trade and Manufacturing off shored in the future. So much for supporting the worker hey?
Bob the fiddler Created the Australia Act - solidified the work Gough did and sold us out to the UN - incorporated us. Things like "The Queen of Australia, The Commonwealth of Australia - all corporations registered in the US. Ths country is a business. And we dont own or run it.

Beazley just confirmed what all politicians know...We are sold to the UN.This is quoted and gazetted in Parliament. More reading.

There hasnt been a straight election for 50 years. The recent NSW State election was a farce as was the recent 3 Federals. OI only quote those because Ive seen evidence suggesting foul play. For example...Boxes of ballot in mail in voting being removed by staff in their private vehicles and taken home...thats a no no due to no chain of custody. Lots of independent candidates had votes not counted at the last State election for NSW. I was a scrutineer and had many a fights/arguments with electoral officials..over protocol and rules.t. (Thats not Tom...Tom's Federal but you get the gist).

So Ive tried to summarize and answer your questions. You have some reading to do and that will tell you more. I encourage everyone to do the same as I did to wake up and realise whats going on. We are slaves.

Now in relation to the Voice. Gven all Ive mentioned, we do not want the sign up our First Nations to the Corporation - which is what contracting them to the Constitution will do. We want them to remain sovereign owners (The country was never claimed under Terra Nullius - it was occupied and always belonging to some one before the British.) The corporation needs them signed up...then ALL the land (not just whites) will go to the UN. Mabo would be rolling n his grave.

Our First Nations people do not need a Treaty. Because thats what this is....Surrender and Contract. Look at whats happened to Indigenous Nations that have signed one in Canada, NZ, and US for starters.

No they want us divided, broke and then dead.

I hope Ive been able to explain my view. Ive used information to do that but of course I dont want to go too much into t because its alot to absorb - especially if ts the first time youve heard it.

Oh and for context - we do need a Constitution...we the people need to have one that cares for all regardless of Race and color. This current one inst the answer - in case anyone thinks Im not anti Constitution.

But the point is if you trust corrupt corporate government then you deserve everything you get.

where to start? incoherent ramblings ... everyone in the house and the senate stands in treason. yeah? ... whitlam effectively removed the crown from the constitution? rubbish. the governor-general is the queen's representative ... whitlam's re-naming as the monarch of the u.k. as the monarch of australia was an attempt to respond to the reality of our independence ... we've been sold out to the u.n.? hmm, i realise there are a lot of conspiracy theories about the u.n. but i don't see evidence that the u.n. is a force for evil ... the australia act was simple common sense - why should the english privy council decide what our law is? ... there hasn't been a straight election for 50 years? mate - put up or shut up . you've seen evidence - tell us what evidence you've seen. which party do you scrutineer for? ... but then you go radical saying that voting for the voice will undermine aboriginal claims of sovereignty to australia which is what people like lydia thorpe argue - but you then add an odd twist saying this will give all land rights to the u.n. - i'm an aussie and i've got a built in bullshit detector and on a scale of 10 is showing 11 ... you then say that the existence of treaties is responsible for what's happened to indigenous nations in canada, nz and the u.s. whereas surely there are other factors? ... then you raise the idea that we need a new constitution (which i have sympathy for but is pie in the sky stuff - that has has zero chance of happening) ... then you attack 'corporate government' and i'm not sure what you mean by that. our political system is not ideal - it's more representative democracy rather than democracy but given the alternatives it's arguably as good as we're going to get

[zac]

There was a ground breaking moment yesterday in the whole of Australian 'landscape' . Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price addressed the good old Press Club.

And wow, its one of the most authentic, raw, real truth telling pieces you will ever hear. She spoke of the awful abuse she has suffered for speaking her mind, and having opinions that don't fit the standard narratives.

She fielded the standard talking point gotcha questions from the peanut gallery, and man she hit them outa the park.

And she offered real hope for a better united Australia.

A masterclass. This may well have been a watershed moment for this country.

Regardless of political leanings, you can appreciate what she is offering.

I append the speech. A bit longish but even some or part educates us all and can open our eyes.

jacinta price could be p.m. if she had good people around her. she doesn't have the policy breadth at this stage but her heart is in the right place. that said, she talks a lot of bullshit caused, i suspect, by the internecine struggles of aboriginal politics. everyone knows that aborigines need to be recognised in the constitution - the voice has been called for by a vaguely representative body of aborigines and presents no real dangers to the fabric of society and might do some good. she should get on board

[Random Rooster]

Traditionally with referendums if someone doesn't know about the issue or just doesn't care they will vote NO. With that in mind my crystal ball is predicting the NO vote will prevail. Ideally of course if you dont know or dont care you should just vote informal- why give your support to either side?

Also when government oppositions win referendums they almost all go on to lose the next election. So if Potato Head thinks the NO getting up is a good lead into the next election then think again!!

[Jacks Fur Coat]

jacinta price could be p.m. if she had good people around her. she doesn't have the policy breadth at this stage but her heart is in the right place. that said, she talks a lot of bullshit caused, i suspect, by the internecine struggles of aboriginal politics. everyone knows that aborigines need to be recognised in the constitution - the voice has been called for by a vaguely representative body of aborigines and presents no real dangers to the fabric of society and might do some good. she should get on board

What part is bullshit? I'll have to have another squiz.

I agree with the Monk in supporting a 'No' vote, but not with his reasoning. Aboriginal people, being Australian citizens, are aleady "signed up" to the Constitution like all of us. Thats why I see this as an unnecessary and potentially divisive step. It enshrines a form of apartheid we have worked hard to avoid in this young multicultural country. Say no to dividing us by race.