The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[Andrew Walker]

from what i can make of section 153 of the malaysian constitution -

1. It shall be the responsibility of the Yang di-Pertuan Agong to safeguard the special position of the Malays and natives of any of the States of Sabah and Sarawak and the legitimate interests of other communities in accordance with the provisions of this Article.

it's got nothing to do with the voice proposal which only has the power to make representations, to give advice, to government and parliament

Oh Zac you strike me as a character where everything is either black or white

In short it is the opinion of my Brother and many others that the Yang Pertuan Agong which I believe is their monarchy Has done nothing whatsoever to safeguard or assist native minorities in Malaysia snd they are no better off

The concern snd inference to this and The Voice is that it could be similar here Call it tokenism if that was to be the case. As we all know everything has to go through Parliament

[zac]

Oh Zac you strike me as a character where everything is either black or white

In short it is the opinion of my Brother and many others that the Yang Pertuan Agong which I believe is their monarchy Has done nothing whatsoever to safeguard or assist native minorities in Malaysia snd they are no better off

The concern snd inference to this and The Voice is that it will be similar here Call it tokenism if that was to be the case. As we all know everything has to go through Parliament

i see myself as nuanced kind of fellow, aware of life's complexities, but no matter.

the malays are in the majority in malaysia - sect 153 isn't designed to protect minorities and yes, chinese and indians in malaysisa complain that they don't get a fair go

[Andrew Walker]

i see myself as nuanced kind of fellow, aware of life's complexities, but no matter.

the malays are in the majority in malaysia - sect 153 isn't designed to protect minorities and yes, chinese and indians in malaysisa complain that they don't get a fair go

Not quite true Zac some minority groups have been included in this 153

If you are a nuanced type of person this appendage beneath may open your eyes just a little I honestly don’t think you and others are capable of grasping it though, and this is why I really didn’t want to open up the can of worms

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Article_...on_of_Malaysia

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n1029663][QUOTE=mightyrooster; OMG Paddo. Thanks so much for the condescending lecture and regurgitation of history and information I learnt in Political Science 1. FYI, I am leaning towards yes. What I dont understand is how after 200+ years, indigenous people are still so far behind on a range of social, health and education issues. What I want is a system that actually works, that will actually help to close that gap. I want to be sure that this change will actually achieve that.

Whether you know it or not you are an influential moderate voice on this site. You are long term member and your posts are considered and not given to exaggeration or emotion. People respect them so for you to be on the fence is not helpful.

Your reservations are those of most ordinary people - why can't the buggers grasp the opportunities offered to them, but what really are those opportunities? They're not overwhelming and even if they were, they would probably be rejected because they are not trusted, being seen mostly as having been offered by the people who have oppressed them and their culture in the past. They are as alienated from us as they have ever been and with good reason - the actions of Winmar and Goodes shows us graphically just how alienated and insecure they are. Let's give them this direct access to the Parliament which they have never had previously, it is an essential element in a reconciliation process that needs to happen.

Knocking them back for base party political reasons will only harm us as a people. At best it will indicate that we lack confidence as a Nation. At worst, that we are gormless and easily led at one end and deeply racist at the other.
[/QUOTE]

I honestly don’t think my opinion is going to sway anyone in here one way or the other. I do agree with you that it shouldn’t be knocked back for political reasons alone. I also don’t agree with the ‘if you don’t understand it, vote no’. It would be better if Australians were encouraged to read up so they can understand it before deciding which way to vote.

[ism22]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker;n1029703]

A Socialist and a Bulldogs supporter. We may need an intervention. [/QUOTE

Influenced by my Uncle who when I was very young was friends with the late Canterbury fullback Gary Dowling

Thinking of Dowling... houses on the right hand side of South Dowling st (driving towards Oxford St) and all those houses in near COFA are in 'Paddington'. However, they're also on the other side of Anzac Pde.

Can you please advise whether the saying that Souffs are on the other side of Anzac Pde checks out, or is it possible to live there and be in Easts territory?

[mightyrooster]

i don't think anyone can guarantee that this change will achieve that. the voice is toothless and is dependent on a) giving good advice, and b) that advice being taken into account by governments.
on the plus side, given the big gap between indigenous people and non-indigenous people you mention something needs to be done and this proposal, made by aborigines themselves, might help

Yes well this is why I have been toing and froing, which Paddo calls sitting on the fence. If it ends up being toothless then they are no better off and there’s a good chance that will happen.

[Rocky Rhodes]

i don't think anyone can guarantee that this change will achieve that. the voice is toothless and is dependent on a) giving good advice, and b) that advice being taken into account by governments.
on the plus side, given the big gap between indigenous people and non-indigenous people you mention something needs to be done and this proposal, made by aborigines themselves, might help

lol...rightly then.....the Govmint spending $450 million of tax payers money on something so toothless....and the Corporations spending likewise many millions just so advice is given? Albo wasting 450 million then?

hahahahahahaha. If it's a referendum they have a big agenda.

Not everyone is as gullible as u Zachary.

And here's a thought....imagine how far all that money could go if it where sent directly to the aboriginal communities in need....like build them houses, schools etc.

Not that they need better schooling...that boy in that commercial speaks perfect English.

And finally, if the voice is so toothless and just advice, then why are u so hell bent on getting the "Yes" voice through....

[Rocky Rhodes]

30 million of taxpayers money for a song to brainwash the masses into voting yes? I'm outraged!!!!!

Thing is-its not true. Not even close to being true. It was bullshit that circulated on Facebook....and it doesn't take a genius to work out that social media has brainwashed you.

Youre the Voice is owned by Sony and Farnham....who actually waived the $100,000 royalty they would gain for the use of the song.

The irony of you, the resident village idiot, accusing others of knowing nothing!

If u say so....

Doesn't take a genius to know that controlled MSM / the idiot box has brainwashed and manipulated u. So sad that little aboriginal boy ad is right? Might trigger some panic buying on tissues hey, much like the triggered panic buying on toilet paper during the pandemic...

So rightly then, John Farnham took nothing just to have his image severely batted...most of his fan base on facebook etc went hardcore on his arse...his image broken. If u believe that then maybe u need to stock up on more shite paper.

And give me social media over the fake news / propaganda on the idiot box. Do u see one ad for the "No" voice campaign on the main channels??? Left wing propaganda...commie chinese style media...when u have only one view projected on the media....that is propaganda.. the same thing happened for the gay marriage plebiscite. Yet sheeples like PC61 calls our MSM right wing? haha...

Go,,,,stock up on tissues sheeple.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker; Not quite true Zac some minority groups have been included in this 153.

* What is this? Anything to win the argument? Please what are the other minorities? The Malaysian constitution gives special status to the MAJORITY just like Fiji and Protestant Northern Ireland. The voice is nothing like that, it's an advisory group comprised of a representatives of a struggling minority of original inhabitants. Trust ol' Jax to try to muddy the waters. And it's untrue to say that native Malays are not assisted, there is a 20% limit on non Malay government employees.

* South Dowling merges with Flinders, the Parade is another 200m south. The blocks of houses between Oxford and Flinders are in Paddington on the eastern side and Darlinghurst on the western though all are in the Sydney City Council area. Specifically, I would think that Albion St is the Souffs border and the western side of South Dowling bordering Moore Park.

* Would anyone who has deciphered Rocky's posts please offer a rough translation. Got me beat and those emojis - wtf???

[Andrew Walker]

Oh Paddo Whilst I doubt you have read my appendage linked. But if so, as suspected it has all gone over your head. Not surprising really as you cannot understand what your friend Rocky is saying either. A school teacher aye those poor students of Glebe High

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker: Oh Paddo Whilst I doubt you have read my appendage linked. But if so, as suspected it has all gone over your head. Not surprising really as you cannot understand what your friend Rocky is saying either. A school teacher aye those poor students of Glebe High.

Say wha....you've linked your appendage? Sammy Dewsbury got into a lot of strife for doing similar.

But do you concede the point that the Malaysian situation is the opposite of what is proposed in the voice? Your brother may not be seeing evidence that ordinary Malays benefit from the their favoured status. That's because the real beneficiaries of the special treatment are the Malay upper class who are not as smart as the Chinese or the Indians either in business or public administration.

[Random Rooster]

* Would anyone who has deciphered Rocky's posts please offer a rough translation. Got me beat and those emojis - wtf???

With every post he is basically confirming his status as the Chookpens resident village idiot. Thats about all you need to know because beyond that theres nothing

[Jacks Fur Coat]

With every post he is basically confirming his status as the Chookpens resident village idiot. Thats about all you need to know because beyond that theres nothing

I find Rockys contributions generally more lucid and coherent than say, PaddoCult61s. The latter almost always straying off point to lapse into his 2 self made constructs of either Western culture bad or Murdoch media evil. Regardless of the topic at hand.

Rocky does add some colour and movement to his offerings though, which at least relieves the tedium and lack of comprehension proffered by the PC guy.

[Andrew Walker]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n1029794][QUOTE=Andrew Walker: Oh Paddo Whilst I doubt you have read my appendage linked. But if so, as suspected it has all gone over your head. Not surprising really as you cannot understand what your friend Rocky is saying either. A school teacher aye those poor students of Glebe High.

Say wha....you've linked your appendage? Sammy Dewsbury got into a lot of strife for doing similar.

But do you concede the point that the Malaysian situation is the opposite of what is proposed in the voice? Your brother may not be seeing evidence that ordinary Malays benefit from the their favoured status. That's because the real beneficiaries of the special treatment are the Malay upper class who are not as smart as the Chinese or the Indians either in business or public administration.

[/QUOTE]

Now we are slowly getting somewhere Obviously the situation is reversed but a point of this is that it has caused division and angst. I could elaborate further but I think it would be semantics.

Now you and a few others either fail to concede or are not bothered about is that a The Voice in its current form, will cause angst and division and is already doing just just that.

Just as importantly you along with others also neglect, or do not seem to care that there are many including some indigenous who see the indigenous elite or heirarchy ( for want of a better way of putting it ) being the major beneficiaries of this voice and that the ordinary indigenous will be no better off

FTR I have already said my Brother will vote Yes

[Andrew Walker]

I find Rockys contributions generally more lucid and coherent than say, PaddoCult61s. The latter almost always straying off point to lapse into his 2 self made constructs of either Western culture bad or Murdoch media evil. Regardless of the topic at hand.

Rocky does add some colour and movement to his offerings though, which at least relieves the tedium and lack of comprehension proffered by the PC guy.

I think both Rocky and PC are wonderful contributors to this forum I have no trouble deciphering what either of them has to say

Your issue with PC is that you most times ( perhaps even all ) don’t like and agree what he has to say

The reverse could be said with you with Rocky but I’m nowhere near as confident with that one in that I am not sure you agree with all he says But you cut him some slack due to you enjoying his other contributions

To finish I think this place needs both of them If one were to leave the place would be poorer for their absence