The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster;n1029876]

Who mentioned rural anything??? I come across lots of idiots in Double Bay Village everyday!!

Huh? I wasn’t replying to you RR. Paddo and his inability to manage the quote function strikes again!

[zac]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster;n1029879]

Huh? I wasn’t replying to you RR. Paddo and his inability to manage the quote function strikes again!

hehe and now you're talking to yourself

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=zac;n1029883]

hehe and now you're talking to yourself

It’s a sign of getting old so they say.

[mightyrooster]

Wait a second, is that a faint Voice I can already hear:

* 3,278 Aboriginal Corporations
* 243 Native Title bodies
* 48 Land Councils
* 35 Regional Councils
* 122 + Aboriginal agencies
* 3 Advisory bodies
* 145 Health Organisations
* 11 Indigenous MPs
* 12 Culturally important Indigenous days

- Taxpayers give $33b annually for 984,000 people (3.8% of popn)
- Expenditure per person in 2012/13 was $43,449 on Indigenous Australians compared to $20,900 on other Australians. A ratio of 2:08 to 1.
* Australian taxpayers spend at least $100m per day on direct support for Indigenous Australians every year or $39.5b of direct Government expenditure every single year.

Source: Figures based on 2017 Indigenous Expenditure Report by the Productivity Commission.

True, and the stats say there is still a gap. This is why imo we need to do something different or better. But it’s easy to say that, not so easy to actually do it.

[mightyrooster]

MR I agree that some (definitely not all) Aboriginal people are behind in the socio-economic areas you mention. You can see from an earlier post on the investments made and respectful acknowledgements included in our current society. This has helped many but not those in remote communities. The investments made are largely on the back of Governments taking advice and recommendations from the likes of Noel Pearson who currently heads the Yes campaign. (Noel himself is very well off these days ). Maybe its time to start listening to a younger generation like Jacinta who have a different take. She thinks making Aboriginal people 'victims' is the worst thing you can do. And despite all the $$ we haven't helped Aboriginal women specifically who endure arranged marriages with older men, and domestic violence and abuse. Here is an excerpt from questions taken following her brilliant speech:

In your speech you claimed, ‘Some Indigenous organisations want to demonise colonial settlement.’ Can I ask you, do you believe the history of colonisation has an impact on some Indigenous Australians?

Senator Price: Ah, no. I’ll be honest with you, no. I don’t think so. Positive impact? Absolutely! I mean, now we’ve got running water, we’ve go readily available food. I mean, everything that my grandfather had when he was growing up – cause he first saw white fellas in his early adolescence – we now have. Otherwise he would have had to live off the land, provide for his family, and all of those measures which Aboriginal Australians, many of us have the same opportunity as all other Australians in this country.

We certainly have one of the greatest systems around the world in terms of the democratic structures in comparison to other countries. It is why migrants flock to Australia to call Australia home because of the opportunity that exists for all Australians.

But if we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims we are effectively removing their agency. And then we’re giving them the expectation that someone else is responsible for their lives. That is the worst possible thing you can do to any human being – to tell them that they are a victim without agency. And that’s what I refuse to do.

Josh Butler: Just a quick follow-up. So you don’t believe there’s any negative, ongoing impacts of colonisation on indigenous Australians today? Just to confirm.

Senator Price: No. There’s no ongoing negative impacts of colonisation. What I will say, which I have suggested obviously within my speech is that particularly for my family in remote communities again who live very close to traditional culture and who experience the highest rates of violence in the country, family violence, interpersonal violence … they experience that not because of the effects of colonisation, but because it’s expected that young girls are married off to older husbands in arranged marriages.

We haven’t had a feminist movement for Aboriginal women because we’ve been expected to toe the line in Aboriginal activism for the rights of our race. But our rights as women have been second place. And I have the lived experience. My mother has the lived experience as someone who was subject to traditional custom and expected to become the second wife in an arranged marriage.

There are still people living this way. And yet those who have held the narrative because they have had an education and access to media ignore the plight of those in communities. And this can’t continue to go on.

It is interesting to hear her point of view and like I said in my previous post I think we do need to find a new and better way. But it is very complex especially as they have their own culture and customs. We need to do much better at understanding that and accepting that, and of course like you say they need to strive to help themselves too.

[Andrew Walker]

[QUOTE=zac;n1029883]

hehe and now you're talking to yourself

Just remember he’s on your side

[zac]

MR I agree that some (definitely not all) Aboriginal people are behind in the socio-economic areas you mention. You can see from an earlier post on the investments made and respectful acknowledgements included in our current society. This has helped many but not those in remote communities. The investments made are largely on the back of Governments taking advice and recommendations from the likes of Noel Pearson who currently heads the Yes campaign. (Noel himself is very well off these days ). Maybe its time to start listening to a younger generation like Jacinta who have a different take. She thinks making Aboriginal people 'victims' is the worst thing you can do. And despite all the $$ we haven't helped Aboriginal women specifically who endure arranged marriages with older men, and domestic violence and abuse. Here is an excerpt from questions taken following her brilliant speech:

In your speech you claimed, ‘Some Indigenous organisations want to demonise colonial settlement.’ Can I ask you, do you believe the history of colonisation has an impact on some Indigenous Australians?

Senator Price: Ah, no. I’ll be honest with you, no. I don’t think so. Positive impact? Absolutely! I mean, now we’ve got running water, we’ve go readily available food. I mean, everything that my grandfather had when he was growing up – cause he first saw white fellas in his early adolescence – we now have. Otherwise he would have had to live off the land, provide for his family, and all of those measures which Aboriginal Australians, many of us have the same opportunity as all other Australians in this country.

We certainly have one of the greatest systems around the world in terms of the democratic structures in comparison to other countries. It is why migrants flock to Australia to call Australia home because of the opportunity that exists for all Australians.

But if we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims we are effectively removing their agency. And then we’re giving them the expectation that someone else is responsible for their lives. That is the worst possible thing you can do to any human being – to tell them that they are a victim without agency. And that’s what I refuse to do.

Josh Butler: Just a quick follow-up. So you don’t believe there’s any negative, ongoing impacts of colonisation on indigenous Australians today? Just to confirm.

Senator Price: No. There’s no ongoing negative impacts of colonisation. What I will say, which I have suggested obviously within my speech is that particularly for my family in remote communities again who live very close to traditional culture and who experience the highest rates of violence in the country, family violence, interpersonal violence … they experience that not because of the effects of colonisation, but because it’s expected that young girls are married off to older husbands in arranged marriages.

We haven’t had a feminist movement for Aboriginal women because we’ve been expected to toe the line in Aboriginal activism for the rights of our race. But our rights as women have been second place. And I have the lived experience. My mother has the lived experience as someone who was subject to traditional custom and expected to become the second wife in an arranged marriage.

There are still people living this way. And yet those who have held the narrative because they have had an education and access to media ignore the plight of those in communities. And this can’t continue to go on.

pearson and langton have been in the game a long time and they're far from pro-welfare bleeding hearts. this is one of the reasons they're pissed of with price who is tilting at windmills. langton has worked for years with mining bosses and is seen as a sell out by some left wingers. pearson has been encouraging blacks to take responsibility of their own lives for decades.
pearson very well of these days? is that relevant? a bit of quick research says he's got 5m - the same as the amount that quick research says mundine has. quick research says dutton has either 5m or 300m.
that's great that price thinks colonialism was for the best and while it's always good to put a positive spin on things its wrong to say that europeans coming here didn't cause some problems

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker;n1029899]

Just remember he’s on your side

This is getting very confusing. Are you replying to me or Zac?

[zac]

Just remember he’s on your side

come on aw, get with the program - despite it appearing that i was quoting random i was quoting m r. that's the gag

[mightyrooster]

He surely must be trolling? Even he's not that dumb.

Although it could be just another reminder that an education doesn't make you educated.

That’s for sure. I’m thankful for mine but it’s not the be all and end all.

[Random Rooster]

[QUOTE=zac;n1029883]

hehe and now you're talking to yourself

Who's on first?

[Random Rooster]

Senator Price: Ah, no. I’ll be honest with you, no. I don’t think so. Positive impact? Absolutely! I mean, now we’ve got running water

Makes you wonder how her ancestors survived 60,000 plus years without a bubbler on every corner?

[Andrew Walker]

come on aw, get with the program - despite it appearing that i was quoting random i was quoting m r. that's the gag

LOL it’s gone beyond where it should have gone I was talking about Paddo and his inability to use the quote function

[ism22]

Cathy Freeman's backing the voice BTW... another Australian whose opinion I give a shyte about!

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023...man-the-voice/

[eddie]

No ones mentioned the informal vote.
A worthy protest against the undemocratic fact that voting is compulsery.