The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[eddie]

Cathy Freeman's backing the voice BTW... another Australian whose opinion I give a shyte about!

Freeman is a sheeple

[Paddo Colt 61]

I don't know a lot about Lydia Thorpe but I do agree with Zac that she and some others are quixotic.Their rejection of The Voice and their insistence on a treaty is thoroughly understandable given the impotence of previous advisory bodies which were distanced from the parliament by white public servants. She sees the same old same old and that might turn out to be the case but the DIRECT access to parliament suggests that it could be otherwise.

The irony is that some here cite her objection as supporting their bias whereas the realty of a Thorpe treaty would probably send them to the streets. What is Andy's, Jax's, Rocky's and Eddie's attitude to a treaty in the Constitution? Ain't gonna happen obviously. The mere contemplation of one would send the miners, the Nats, Libs and country folk apoplectic (the latter , of course, would be unable to comprehend the terms but Murdoch and co would put them right with a balanced "information" campaign).

As for that other "aboriginal" nong who blames the victims, she is a Nat politician who presumably, sees a lucrative role as the resident Uncle Tom going forward. History is full of the self serving.

The truth is that our people here on the Pen are of the "give 'em nuthin'' persuasion - full stop. Shameful!!

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Another thing thats worrying is the professional protest element which extreme left entities like Extinction Rebellion feed off. They will seek to exploit this racial element for bad, and paint 'No' voters as hateful racists.

We seen a very small example of this at the Adelaide Convention centre during the week when the 'No' campaign had a speakers event. Senators Price and Antic, and Warren Mundine copped hateful abuse and slur as they arrived at the venue. I think most 'Yes' voters would abhor this behaviour, it should be noted. But it really damages their campaign further.

I think the No campaign has their own rallies scheduled this weekend. I pray the left will just show the respect they have been afforded with unimpeded Yes rallies, and stay out. But if Covid and Climate related protests are any guide, whats the bet they marshall to drown out the 'No' rallies and cause conflict?

May we never become like the BLM crims in the US that razed communities and killed in the name of 'justice'. We are so much better than that I know, but dividing by race is a fraught pathway.

[mightyrooster]

I am certainly not of the give em nuthin' brigade Paddo. Another shameful, poke at country folk I see? I know you're just trolling me now. I think I have an identity crisis. My father was raised in Sydney's inner west, my mother was a true westie, I myself was raised in a small country town after my parents were forced to move from the big smoke to the bush due to a job transfer. They happily stayed in the country till they both passed away a few years ago. I have lived in the ACT for nearly 40 years and according to one 'expert journo' in today's MSM, the ACT is 'dripping wet woke'. So I guess I'm an uneducated, educated, backwards' wokist. Interesting what you get when you pigeon hole people I guess.

[Paddo Colt 61]

You are far too sensitive MR. I didn't mention you in that list of hard liners and I certainly don't imagine that you are of that ilk. I also certainly don't think of the denizens of the ACT as country folk. The ACT is cosmopolitan and so has an admirable territory government and an equally admirable Senator in Pocock. But the rest? What can be said? Barnaby, Katter et al. A National Party that achieves little for the bucolic battler but heaps for the multi national miners (to our general detriment).

Not that long ago we all saw the exclusion attitudes in some towns with regard to abos in the swimming pools and cinemas. You don't think that that's changed much do you? And, yes, the indigenous communities are difficult no doubt, but they are in a cultural no man's land, neither one nor fully the other. We must explore the ways ahead, things can't continue as they are as much as the Right would want to keep on using them politically. Sure, there are reasonable, responsible folk in a lot of country towns but they're not the majority that's certain.

[Andrew Walker]

Oh Paddo stop with your comments and attacks on people you do not know, just because they don’t agree with your take on this. You are showing yourself up to be a bitter and narky old man. Where I grew up and before I and others matured as adults we’d refer to this type as a cnut of a thing

[mightyrooster]

To label people left, right or directionless, educated or enlightened, based on where they live is very simplistic. By the way the ACT in actual fact is made up of many country folk, those that come to further their education at University and those who come to seek work. Canberra is a nice compromise as it has the feel of a big country town but with all the amenities and different to the hustle and bustle of Sydney.

I am not being too sensitive but pointing out we were trying to have a nice civil debate based on facts without the personal labeling and pigeon holing of people.

The Yes support for the Voice is dwindling as the MSM pointed out this morning that even the 'dripping wet woke' ACT has only 28% support, much higher than NSW and VIC.

[eddie]

I don't know a lot about Lydia Thorpe but I do agree with Zac that she and some others are quixotic.Their rejection of The Voice and their insistence on a treaty is thoroughly understandable given the impotence of previous advisory bodies which were distanced from the parliament by white public servants. She sees the same old same old and that might turn out to be the case but the DIRECT access to parliament suggests that it could be otherwise.

The irony is that some here cite her objection as supporting their bias whereas the realty of a Thorpe treaty would probably send them to the streets. What is Andy's, Jax's, Rocky's and Eddie's attitude to a treaty in the Constitution? Ain't gonna happen obviously. The mere contemplation of one would send the miners, the Nats, Libs and country folk apoplectic (the latter , of course, would be unable to comprehend the terms but Murdoch and co would put them right with a balanced "information" campaign).

As for that other "aboriginal" nong who blames the victims, she is a Nat politician who presumably, sees a lucrative role as the resident Uncle Tom going forward. History is full of the self serving.

The truth is that our people here on the Pen are of the "give 'em nuthin'' persuasion - full stop. Shameful!!

I tried to read the 20 odd page document, maybe my attention span ain't what it used to be, but I struggled with it.

Seems like a massive waste of money to me, something all our governments are good at.

An informal vote would sit well with me, I have my own morals. If more people took that stance it would make a bigger statement than yes or no would.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=eddie; I tried to read the 20 odd page document, maybe my attention span ain't what it used to be, but I struggled with it.

Seems like a massive waste of money to me, something all our governments are good at.

An informal vote would sit well with me, I have my own morals. If more people took that stance it would make a bigger statement than yes or no would.

Okay Eddie but what might you propose should be done about a national stain that has been, so far, intractable? Most would wish that it wasn't there but it is and the challenge needs to be met.

* And MR the "woke" smear could only come from one MSM source. The one that my semi literate ex student worked for before going on to greater things at ACA. Pay it no heed whatsoever.

[eddie]

Okay Eddie but what might you propose should be done about a national stain that has been, so far, intractable? Most would wish that it wasn't there but it is and the challenge needs to be met.

All Australians should be equal regardless of race.
We've just gotta avoid getting into an "animal farm" situation.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=eddie;
All Australians should be equal regardless of race.
We've just gotta avoid getting into an "animal farm" situation.

Aw c'mon Eddie, it's not that simple. The indigenous are starting a long way back from us Euros and they don't want to assimilate as don't any other ethnic group here. They ask only (and it's a "they" not Albo) that we support a mechanism whereby they have a direct line to legislators on matters that affect them.

[zac]

LOL it’s gone beyond where it should have gone I was talking about Paddo and his inability to use the quote function

fellow chookpenners -
for too long we have blamed the wild colonial boy, paddo colt, for making if hard to see who's quoting who.
rather than seeing ourselves as victims we need to take control of this issue ourselves.

go to a non paddo post
press the quote button
note how there are brackets before and after the words you are quoting
press cancel
go to a post where paddo quotes someone or where someone quotes someone else quoting paddo
press quote
note how there's an extra set of brackets
delete those extra brackets and all the words that they bracket so that it now resembles the uninfected post that you'd just looked at
all going well if you were to post something and press post reply it will come out normally

[Andrew Walker]

fellow chookpenners -
for too long we have blamed the wild colonial boy, paddo colt, for making if hard to see who's quoting who.
rather than seeing ourselves as victims we need to take control of this issue ourselves.

go to a non paddo post
press the quote button
note how there are brackets before and after the words you are quoting
press cancel
go to a post where paddo quotes someone or where someone quotes someone else quoting paddo
press quote
note how there's an extra set of brackets
delete those extra brackets and all the words that they bracket so that it now resembles the uninfected post that you'd just looked at
all going well if you were to post something and press post reply it will come out normally

I prefer the discord

[Jacks Fur Coat]

The most honourable thing to do is not quote the curmudgeon at all.

His bleatings are so fatuous they are best not reprinted.

[mightyrooster]

fellow chookpenners -
for too long we have blamed the wild colonial boy, paddo colt, for making if hard to see who's quoting who.
rather than seeing ourselves as victims we need to take control of this issue ourselves.

go to a non paddo post
press the quote button
note how there are brackets before and after the words you are quoting
press cancel
go to a post where paddo quotes someone or where someone quotes someone else quoting paddo
press quote
note how there's an extra set of brackets
delete those extra brackets and all the words that they bracket so that it now resembles the uninfected post that you'd just looked at
all going well if you were to post something and press post reply it will come out normally

Lol...I love the effort zac. Maybe Mr Colt should learn how to quote himself. I have explained it to him several times. All he needs to do is ensure he starts typing AFTER the word 'quote)' when quoting someone making sure not to chop off that bracket which follows immediately after. It shouldn't be that hard for such a highly educated individual.