The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[Random Rooster]

Cathy Freeman's backing the voice BTW... another Australian whose opinion I give a shyte about!

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023...man-the-voice/

Izzy you need to be more balanced in your posts. The No campaign has its supporters too. Hyde park on Saturday anyone??

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...lly-australia/

[ism22]

Izzy you need to be more balanced in your posts. The No campaign has its supporters too. Hyde park on Saturday anyone??

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...lly-australia/

I'm gonna be frank... I disagree with the no campaign and will most certainly be voting yes.

Sometimes in life we need to make a call. I'm with Cathy Freeman and my close indigenous friends / colleagues in supporting the yes campaign. Not gonna provide an argument to moderation or try to attack the no campaign. Rather, I'm owning my opinion and coming clear about it. My mind has been made up and I won't be convinced otherwise.

[ism22]

Oi and Andy, if you're not gonna share some $$$ from your punting endeavours then please look after your good friend Paddo.

What would John Menadue say I wonder? :P

(BTW - it surprises me that they have contributors who are not purely focussed on trying to convince us that following Chairman Xi's expansionary regime is in Australia's best interests).

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https://johnmenadue.com/remember-bre...igenous-voice/

Notoriously, a momentous question was put to British voters in 2016 which resulted in 52% opting for the country to leave the European Union, making the UK the first nation ever to do so. But eight years later after having had a taste of the consequences, 57% of Britons reported that Brexit was a mistake, almost double the 32% who still thought it was the correct decision. Some polls showed as much as 63% rejection of Brexit. The trend in all polls shows clearly that voter remorse has been growing steadily on this in Britain as, at least according to some protesters, “the wheels have fallen off the Brexit bus of lies.”

Regardless of whether the pro-Brexit campaign was based on lies, it is easy to see that Britons voted in favour of Brexit in response to sharply styled propaganda which preyed on fears that they were getting the raw end of the deal for their membership of the EU and feelings of resentment about immigration, supposed “loss of sovereignty” in decision making, and loss of standing as a great imperial world power. By inciting Britons to blame others for these losses, it stoked and then preyed on racist resentment. But as the results now show, succumbing to feelings of resentment between races did not restore the UK’s economy or greatness. What ensued was net loss.

This might give Australians pause as we approach the need to vote on an Indigenous Voice in the Constitution. In our case, the vote is not about whether we should step away from a union in order to gain back our sovereignty, prestige and economic strength. It is not about breaking a union. It’s about forming one. It’s about whether we should recognise First Nations people in the union we call a Commonwealth. If our answer is Yes, this will open the door to their inclusion in the Australian Federation as individuals and peoples with nothing more than the same rights to a voice in our democracy that the rest of us take for granted. Put simply, it will open the door at last to their acknowledgement as political equals in their own country.
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[Jacks Fur Coat]

Oi and Andy, if you're not gonna share some $$$ from your punting endeavours then please look after your good friend Paddo.

What would John Menadue say I wonder? :P

(BTW - it surprises me that they have contributors who are not purely focussed on trying to convince us that following Chairman Xi's expansionary regime is in Australia's best interests).

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https://johnmenadue.com/remember-bre...igenous-voice/

Notoriously, a momentous question was put to British voters in 2016 which resulted in 52% opting for the country to leave the European Union, making the UK the first nation ever to do so. But eight years later after having had a taste of the consequences, 57% of Britons reported that Brexit was a mistake, almost double the 32% who still thought it was the correct decision. Some polls showed as much as 63% rejection of Brexit. The trend in all polls shows clearly that voter remorse has been growing steadily on this in Britain as, at least according to some protesters, “the wheels have fallen off the Brexit bus of lies.”

Regardless of whether the pro-Brexit campaign was based on lies, it is easy to see that Britons voted in favour of Brexit in response to sharply styled propaganda which preyed on fears that they were getting the raw end of the deal for their membership of the EU and feelings of resentment about immigration, supposed “loss of sovereignty” in decision making, and loss of standing as a great imperial world power. By inciting Britons to blame others for these losses, it stoked and then preyed on racist resentment. But as the results now show, succumbing to feelings of resentment between races did not restore the UK’s economy or greatness. What ensued was net loss.

This might give Australians pause as we approach the need to vote on an Indigenous Voice in the Constitution. In our case, the vote is not about whether we should step away from a union in order to gain back our sovereignty, prestige and economic strength. It is not about breaking a union. It’s about forming one. It’s about whether we should recognise First Nations people in the union we call a Commonwealth. If our answer is Yes, this will open the door to their inclusion in the Australian Federation as individuals and peoples with nothing more than the same rights to a voice in our democracy that the rest of us take for granted. Put simply, it will open the door at last to their acknowledgement as political equals in their own country.
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Ism...that was almost Churcillian!

Permit me a quick fact check on the last two sentences though. Aboriginal people have the same rights to a voice in our democracy as you and me... right now. They are already political equals in their own country...right now. And so they damn well should be!

[Random Rooster]

I'm gonna be frank... I disagree with the no campaign and will most certainly be voting yes.

Sometimes in life we need to make a call. I'm with Cathy Freeman and my close indigenous friends / colleagues in supporting the yes campaign. Not gonna provide an argument to moderation or try to attack the no campaign. Rather, I'm owning my opinion and coming clear about it. My mind has been made up and I won't be convinced otherwise.

My link was just a bit of humour.....i mean that Aussie Cossack is a nutcase

[Paddo Colt 61]

My link was just a bit of humour.....i mean that Aussie Cossack is a nutcase

What? You haven't twigged that I am a bitter, narky older man? Australia makes you like that. Nongville!

[Paddo Colt 61]

Oi and Andy, if you're not gonna share some $$$ from your punting endeavours then please look after your good friend Paddo.

What would John Menadue say I wonder? :P

(BTW - it surprises me that they have contributors who are not purely focussed on trying to convince us that following Chairman Xi's expansionary regime is in Australia's best interests).

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https://johnmenadue.com/remember-bre...igenous-voice/

Notoriously, a momentous question was put to British voters in 2016 which resulted in 52% opting for the country to leave the European Union, making the UK the first nation ever to do so. But eight years later after having had a taste of the consequences, 57% of Britons reported that Brexit was a mistake, almost double the 32% who still thought it was the correct decision. Some polls showed as much as 63% rejection of Brexit. The trend in all polls shows clearly that voter remorse has been growing steadily on this in Britain as, at least according to some protesters, “the wheels have fallen off the Brexit bus of lies.”

Regardless of whether the pro-Brexit campaign was based on lies, it is easy to see that Britons voted in favour of Brexit in response to sharply styled propaganda which preyed on fears that they were getting the raw end of the deal for their membership of the EU and feelings of resentment about immigration, supposed “loss of sovereignty” in decision making, and loss of standing as a great imperial world power. By inciting Britons to blame others for these losses, it stoked and then preyed on racist resentment. But as the results now show, succumbing to feelings of resentment between races did not restore the UK’s economy or greatness. What ensued was net loss.

This might give Australians pause as we approach the need to vote on an Indigenous Voice in the Constitution. In our case, the vote is not about whether we should step away from a union in order to gain back our sovereignty, prestige and economic strength. It is not about breaking a union. It’s about forming one. It’s about whether we should recognise First Nations people in the union we call a Commonwealth. If our answer is Yes, this will open the door to their inclusion in the Australian Federation as individuals and peoples with nothing more than the same rights to a voice in our democracy that the rest of us take for granted. Put simply, it will open the door at last to their acknowledgement as political equals in their own country.
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Bravo Izzy. That is the most sensible and sensitive post that I've seen from you in yonks, perhaps ever. What you left out is that the at the root of Brexit was the same sentiment on display here - racism. Large ignorant sections of the populace couldn't cop the influx of wogs that came with open borders. We are descendant from that xenophobic lot.

[eddie]

Aw c'mon Eddie, it's not that simple. The indigenous are starting a long way back from us Euros and they don't want to assimilate as don't any other ethnic group here. They ask only (and it's a "they" not Albo) that we support a mechanism whereby they have a direct line to legislators on matters that affect them.

Actually it is that simple.
People tend to miss the obvious when they try to over complicate things.

History tells us that the aborigines weren't on their pat malone when it came to being mistreated in the 1700's.
Modern society has even moved on from more recent attitudes, and we don't tolerate racism no more. Therefore we should not be setting up different rules based on race.

Btw..............I don't identify as a "euro", I've never even been there.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I presume that you refer to that other red herring - the maltreated convicts? That is not the same argument. The indigenous had done nothing wrong, they were invaded.

Are you a brown person Eddie? If not you're Euro like it or not. Somebody linked to you genetically came from far away - settlers in a land occupied by others for millennia.

[eddie]

Are you a brown person Eddie? If not you're Euro like it or not. Somebody linked to you genetically came from far away - settlers in a land occupied by others for millennia.

No sir...................I refuse to conform to your opinion, but I do respect your right to have that opinion.

[Paddo Colt 61]

No sir...................I refuse to conform to your opinion, but I do respect your right to have that opinion.

What is that opinion Eddie? That if you're white you're Euro?

[eddie]

What is that opinion Eddie? That if you're white you're Euro?

I am Australian.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

What is that opinion Eddie? That if you're white you're Euro?

You are curiously obsessed with the colour of peoples skin.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I am Australian.

Okay but you're a different sort of Australian to the indigenous. They grew here but you (your ancestors) flew here (figuratively speaking of course). Most people acknowledge that they are of Scottish, Irish, German etc descent. Indeed many spend money to have their DNA scanned so that they might be clearer on ancestry.

Our indigenous have a special place (the Libs say that all of the time without meaning it) and they should, morally, have a direct line to government regarding policy that concern them specifically. That's all they are asking for.

I suspect, however, that you're voting the Party line. Anti Labor, like ol' Jaxie with a tinge of racism added.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

YES Advisor: How you goin mate?

PC61: Ok thanks, I'm getting a bit snookered with my arguments with the No people. They want to use facts and 'equal treatment of all' stuff....have we got any counters?

YES: Oh...arseholes. Have you tried calling them racists yet?

PC61: Yeah, yeah...but do we keep just doing that?

YES: Oh yeah...lotsa people half listening. It will work.

PC61: Ok thanks, will do.

YES: Ok, bye.

PC61: Bye.