The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[Rocky Rhodes]

[ism22]

Albanese should never have taken such a flimsy ideology based question to the people. He divided us unnecessarily as soon as the question was framed.

The referendum had 65% support until Sky News (Credlin + Murdoch), Dutton (Liberal Party PR) and Clive Palmer all sunk hundreds of millions of dollars into trying to sink it through FUD. Also it was an election commitment (shared by the Libs at the time) and I think you know what that means, beyond the fact that he won an election with the said policy platform...

Like all opportunities for social progression, it was a bold move to put it to the people. Referendums have historically been difficult to find success with and that's what makes them bold.

IMO it's weak to suggest that we shouldn't have referendums because they divide the public with yes/no votes and are difficult to find success with. After roughly a decade of seeing the Libs throw Turnbull, Abbott and ScoMo at us (none of whom took ANY bold policy stances... oh wait sorry... Robodebt, illegal laws that remove indigenous Australians' citizenship, dismantling the NBN... then paying more to fix it, Knights & Dames, corrupt 'community grants', Hawaii holidays during the bushfires and taking orders from Mike Pezzulo to spend $$$ combining a bunch of departments together into 'Home Affairs'...etc). It's cool to criticise government policies but when you do so with such a narrow focus while claiming Albo is the 'worst PM ever' (yaaaawn) it gets kinda boring/predictable.

Wanna discuss the failure of some of the policies I listed below? Happy to chat, mate.

There's that other one about John Howard using his majority in both houses to ban gay marriage (after he received legal advice that it was technically allowed, just not tested) and then his ordained predecessor arranging a yes/no 'plebiscite' to reverse Howard's amendments to the Marriage Act. We could go on if you were actually interested in discussing policy failures!

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Hi Ism22, your post above just reads like an anti-conservative whingefest. What happened to your previous suggestion to accept the will of the people, and move on?

Albo had options. He could have legislated the Voice if he thought it was such a cracker. He could have split the referendum question into two parts, and not sneakily tried to wedge the electors in to something they didn't want to agree to.

But he went for the power (ego) play.. For two main reasons, one to take "Look what I achieved " to the next election where he will doubt cop a backlash for his economic management. He will desperately need an identity-politic "win". Secondly, he would have his name etched in history for a constitutional amendment. Pollies egos are big mate.

By going the way he did he's pissed a stack of cash up the wall that could have been used elsewhere to make practical differences. And unnecessarily divided the country. This legacy shows he made a very bad error of judgement.

[rented tracksuit]

Hi Ism22, your post above just reads like an anti-conservative whingefest. What happened to your previous suggestion to accept the will of the people, and move on?

Albo had options. He could have legislated the Voice if he thought it was such a cracker. He could have split the referendum question into two parts, and not sneakily tried to wedge the electors in to something they didn't want to agree to.

But he went for the power (ego) play.. For two main reasons, one to take "Look what I achieved " to the next election where he will doubt cop a backlash for his economic management. He will desperately need an identity-politic "win". Secondly, he would have his name etched in history for a constitutional amendment. Pollies egos are big mate.

By going the way he did he's pissed a stack of cash up the wall that could have been used elsewhere to make practical differences. And unnecessarily divided the country. This legacy shows he made a very bad error of judgement.

Can we be mates again Jack?

Spoken with a lot of common sense. Well put.

[Rooster1908]

The referendum had 65% support until Sky News (Credlin + Murdoch), Dutton (Liberal Party PR) and Clive Palmer all sunk hundreds of millions of dollars into trying to sink it through FUD. Also it was an election commitment (shared by the Libs at the time) and I think you know what that means, beyond the fact that he won an election with the said policy platform...

Like all opportunities for social progression, it was a bold move to put it to the people. Referendums have historically been difficult to find success with and that's what makes them bold.

IMO it's weak to suggest that we shouldn't have referendums because they divide the public with yes/no votes and are difficult to find success with. After roughly a decade of seeing the Libs throw Turnbull, Abbott and ScoMo at us (none of whom took ANY bold policy stances... oh wait sorry... Robodebt, illegal laws that remove indigenous Australians' citizenship, dismantling the NBN... then paying more to fix it, Knights & Dames, corrupt 'community grants', Hawaii holidays during the bushfires and taking orders from Mike Pezzulo to spend $$$ combining a bunch of departments together into 'Home Affairs'...etc). It's cool to criticise government policies but when you do so with such a narrow focus while claiming Albo is the 'worst PM ever' (yaaaawn) it gets kinda boring/predictable.

Wanna discuss the failure of some of the policies I listed below? Happy to chat, mate.

There's that other one about John Howard using his majority in both houses to ban gay marriage (after he received legal advice that it was technically allowed, just not tested) and then his ordained predecessor arranging a yes/no 'plebiscite' to reverse Howard's amendments to the Marriage Act. We could go on if you were actually interested in discussing policy failures!

Has your price of electricity come down by $240 . Mine hasn't . Have interest rates come down under labor . Have they controlled immigration in a smart way. Have labor actually done anything to help indigenous since they were voted in , not just words. Mate all political parties are in it for themselves. Labor and liberal . Especially but the greens.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Can we be mates again Jack?

Spoken with a lot of common sense. Well put.

Thanks mate. Haha...of course, sit wherever you like. Theres plenty of spare room.

[Paddo Colt 61]

The referendum result should be discussed more as the dust settles but absent the silly triumphal contributions we're getting from Jax and the usual suspects. The cynical decision of Conservatives was to damage the ALP and we can see how that's working out. After a year of floundering, Murdoch has his button issues - so called Referendum waste juxtaposed with Cost on Living. The same issue that sunk the NZ progressives.The Sheeple think changing a government will solve a world wide phenomenon arguable brought on by the US.

[eddie]

Albo is the 'worst PM ever'

No, he's only trying to be............................he's still got a way to go to catch Rudd.

[Random Rooster]

Has your price of electricity come down by $240 . Mine hasn't . Have interest rates come down under labor . Have they controlled immigration in a smart way. Have labor actually done anything to help indigenous since they were voted in , not just words. Mate all political parties are in it for themselves. Labor and liberal . Especially but the greens.

It was actually $275....but by the end of the government's first term 2025

Interest rates and inflation is a world problem. It's the job of the independent Reserve Bank to address those issue and not the sitting government.

Whats the problem with immigration? What you mean a smart way? True- they haven't gone anywhere near the promise of limiting refugees to a maximum of 90 days in detention centre

Labor promised the Voice referendum for change. It happened and the people had their say.


Im not going to go into a tit for tat of broken election promises for any Australian political party because both sides always bullshit their way to governing. That's why it goes in cycles. While Labor is in power in Victoria, NSW, SA, WA, NT & QLD its only a matter of time before people realise they are shit.....and vote in the opposition and eventually realise they are shit....and the cycle goes on.

Let me put my Nostradamus hat on.....

Id be very surprised if Qld doesn't have a change of government next election. Victoria 50/50, NSW & SA Labor will probably hold on for another term and the WA Libs are a disaster-but they will have a swing go their way because they couldn't possibly get worse.

Re the electricty bill- in 2016 i pissed off my snobby Bellevue Hill neighbour by getting solar panels on the roof ( neighbour thought they were "ghhhhaaasssttttllly") but it was the best thing i ever done. Paid themselves off in just under 5 years and my bills are still down by 20-30% on average despite a drop in feed in credit. If you can do it then you should!

[rcptn]

It was actually $275....but by the end of the government's first term 2025

Interest rates and inflation is a world problem. It's the job of the independent Reserve Bank to address those issue and not the sitting government.

Whats the problem with immigration? What you mean a smart way? True- they haven't gone anywhere near the promise of limiting refugees to a maximum of 90 days in detention centre

Labor promised the Voice referendum for change. It happened and the people had their say.


Im not going to go into a tit for tat of broken election promises for any Australian political party because both sides always bullshit their way to governing. That's why it goes in cycles. While Labor is in power in Victoria, NSW, SA, WA, NT & QLD its only a matter of time before people realise they are shit.....and vote in the opposition and eventually realise they are shit....and the cycle goes on.

Let me put my Nostradamus hat on.....

Id be very surprised if Qld doesn't have a change of government next election. Victoria 50/50, NSW & SA Labor will probably hold on for another term and the WA Libs are a disaster-but they will have a swing go their way because they couldn't possibly get worse.

Re the electricty bill- in 2016 i pissed off my snobby Bellevue Hill neighbour by getting solar panels on the roof ( neighbour thought they were "ghhhhaaasssttttllly") but it was the best thing i ever done. Paid themselves off in just under 5 years and my bills are still down by 20-30% on average despite a drop in feed in credit. If you can do it then you should!

Lol they didn't know that when they made that promise at the last election?

[Random Rooster]

Lol they didn't know that when they made that promise at the last election?

Did they promise to lower interest rates?

[Rooster1908]

Did they promise to lower interest rates?

Yes they did .That's the point .All parties lie and Ism just wants to rave on about liberal .They are all the same

[Random Rooster]

Yes they did .That's the point .All parties lie and Ism just wants to rave on about liberal .They are all the same

No they didn't promise cheaper interest rates. Yes they will break and already have broken election problems-they wont be the exception to any government before them- however no government would promise cheaper interest rates before a election. Sometimes they disguise it in a web of words like " under our government interest rates have been at their lowest"or some crap like that.

You know what always fascinates me- the way they are given the title " The Hon." when they are the least honourable mob you could ever come across! Must be to make themselves feel a bit better about themselves!!

[mightyrooster]

Yes they did .That's the point .All parties lie and Ism just wants to rave on about liberal .They are all the same

In fairness Izzy’s rave was in response to Jack’s rave about Albo, in response to Paddo, in response to Jack, in response to Izzy etc etc. I agree with Random, they all make promises they can’t keep, they all lie, they all do good things countered by absolute shockers. They only care about themselves. It’s not black and white, good verses evil, or Souffs v Easts.

The current cost of living crisis with inflation and high interest rates was not started by Albo. It’s a result of wars, global economic sanctions, and a world wide pandemic. If anything the situation in Australia was started by ScoMo throwing out money to counter the Covid crisis, but that was no different to all the leaders in power at that time. It is actually a world wide problem which won’t be fixed overnight sadly for us, average people just trying to get by.

[mightyrooster]

The referendum result should be discussed more as the dust settles but absent the silly triumphal contributions we're getting from Jax and the usual suspects. The cynical decision of Conservatives was to damage the ALP and we can see how that's working out. After a year of floundering, Murdoch has his button issues - so called Referendum waste juxtaposed with Cost on Living. The same issue that sunk the NZ progressives.The Sheeple think changing a government will solve a world wide phenomenon arguable brought on by the US.

It’s rare to get a referendum over the line. People in general hate change and don’t want to give up what they already have. On top of that Labor did not articulate its message clearly enough to allay people’s fears, perceived or otherwise. They needed to do better to counteract Dutton’s negative campaign. That is my brief but balanced and objective assessment of it all.