The Uluṟu Statement Of The Heart

[mightyrooster]

U failed to answer the question...what swayed u to vote the way u did...yeah i know which way u voted by why? Just out of interest..

Yes, liberal party have left wing and right wing factions too.

Yes they do but there’s a big difference between the left faction in the Liberal Party and the left faction in the ALP - completely different. The left faction in the Liberal Party is more right than the right faction in the ALP. I eventually decided to vote Yes because I didn’t believe the scare campaign that if Parliament failed to deliver the Voice recommendations then it would result in a challenge in the High Court etc etc. In other words I believed the legal advice as they are the experts.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Just out of interest Rocky what reason/s did you have for voting No. You might have explained it in the past but I have trouble sifting through the abuse.

If you can, be honest and candid. You're anonymous so what the hell, let 'er rip buddy. You're a passionate man to be sure.

[ism22]

As noted, what swayed my vote was my discussions with indigenous Australians who are close to me (friends and colleagues).

Further, I used my legal skills to interpret the proposed amendments. This dispelled a lot of the misinformation that was intentionally being disseminated (which I thought was poor form).

[rented tracksuit]

Who cares who voted what. NO won. Move on.

That is all.

[Rooster1908]

I voted yes so clearly when Ray says all yes voters are dumb, virtue signallers and he has no respect for any yes voter of course there’s a chance I would find that offensive. I am not dumb and am capable of thinking for myself. It is possible to have a difference of opinion when neither party is dumb. I don’t vote on party lines. Believe it or not some Libs voted Yes so you don’t have to be a lefty to vote yes.

No one should be bullying anyone on how they voted .But if you check a certain ACT yes poster he is as bad or worse that most .

[mightyrooster]

No one should be bullying anyone on how they voted .But if you check a certain ACT yes poster he is as bad or worse that most .

As I said to Rocky, my initial reaction was because Ray was being very derogatory to yes voters. The depth of feeling towards us yes voters, fellow Australians in a democracy and I felt the comments were quite nasty and bordered on hatred with words like he has no respect for us at all. I took that personally as I thought it was unnecessary. That was all I was responding to. Of course there have been yes voters on here who have also used personal abusive arguments which I addressed when Rocky raised it with me. I get that.

[eddie]

I forgot to vote!
That makes me neither a yes or a no man.
Dear oh dear oh dear

[Rooster1908]

As I said to Rocky, my initial reaction was because Ray was being very derogatory to yes voters. The depth of feeling towards us yes voters, fellow Australians in a democracy and I felt the comments were quite nasty and bordered on hatred with words like he has no respect for us at all. I took that personally as I thought it was unnecessary. That was all I was responding to. Of course there have been yes voters on here who have also used personal abusive arguments which I addressed when Rocky raised it with me. I get that.

Sorry MR in no way having a shot at you . just over the likes of Ism virtue signaling .
Who ever thought this was a good idea and wouldn't create division was a fool.

[Andrew Walker]

Sorry MR in no way having a shot at you . just over the likes of Ism virtue signaling .
Who ever thought this was a good idea and wouldn't create division was a fool.

Those Canberrans love nothing more than a good bit of virtue signaling

[mightyrooster]

Sorry MR in no way having a shot at you . just over the likes of Ism virtue signaling .
Who ever thought this was a good idea and wouldn't create division was a fool.

No, don't worry. All good.

[mightyrooster]

Those Canberrans love nothing more than a good bit of virtue signaling

Yep, these threads would be so lame and boring without us Ken Behrens to spice things up.

[Andrew Walker]

Yep, these threads would be so lame and boring without us Ken Behrens to spice things up.

We are very lucky to have all of you here

[ism22]

Who cares who voted what. NO won. Move on.

That is all.

Why don't you move on and quit heckling people then?

I think the difference with 'yes' voters is that we invested in something. We wanted change and saw decent benefits in it.

This wasn't a standard political contest of 'Albo versus Dutton' (those I see this is the driving factor for some of the Albo haters in here), it was a question of social conscience.

Yes voters have a right to unpack what just happened without being heckled / aggravated IMO. Doesn't take a genius to realise there's sensitivities at play here. If it were a footy game then it'd be a 'winners and losers' situation but we'd still be entitled to unpack the outcome as to why our 'better team' didn't win on the day (whether it be the refs/bunker, coaching, injuries, luck with 1%'ers, lack of concentration during a clutch moment...etc).

A tone I'm noticing here is that there's a lot of active no campaigners as opposed to just voters (i.e. people who took the effort to spread misinformation online & were walking around with no banners... likely because they belong to a conservative political party that gave them the said banners) are intentionally showing zero empathy /understanding and acting as if it was a contest.

IMO a level of empathy would be appreciated at such times. I'm not throwing daggers at anybody who voted no, but I do have a right to unpack what just happened, which includes resentment for things such as the misinformation that fouled who started out as a bipartisan effort to give Indigenous Australians constitutional recognition. For WHATEVER reason... Dutton changed the Libs' policy position to 'no we don't support the Uluru Statement' and actively campaigned against it (including by spreading misinformation about it) when it began its life as Liberal Party policy (with bipartisan support).

IMO it was a nasty (desperate) political stunt from Dutton aimed at winning points for himself as a leader of the Liberal Party as he's still on VERY shaky ground. I accept that people voted no and have made my peace with that. However, I remain disappointed that Dutton chose the path he did and that more robust discussions were avoided as the result of an elaborate misinformation campaign.

[mightyrooster]

I forgot to vote!
That makes me neither a yes or a no man.
Dear oh dear oh dear

Naughty naughty. That will be a fine for you! Well I think that's what happens when you're naughty?

[eddie]

Naughty naughty. That will be a fine for you! Well I think that's what happens when you're naughty?

I'll be right.
They always let me off when I'm not up to voting.