Another “unprovoked” attack on the West.

[Rooster1908]

I have not seen anyone say these people deserved this What I can see is people pointing out why it happened. There is a news source in Israel known as Haaretz and beneath is the beginning of their own editorial on this blaming policy of Netanyahu I was quite stunned to see this

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/edit...f-6bfd1c880000

Haven't seen them condemn it either.

[Andrew Walker]

Haven't seen them condemn it either.

I acknowledge and condemn the killing of innocents on both sides of this

[Thirteen]

Hamas use their kids and women as shields. They place no value on humans lives. Israel released over 1000 terrorists from jail to get their captured soldier Gilad Shalit released when he was taken hostage in 2006.

If Israel didn’t value the lives of the innocent citizens of Gaza then they would completely destroy it.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Brilliant contribution Andy and well said, I hope Jax has taken note after reading. The reader comments are also noteworthy. If only our MSM could run some balancing reference like “Opinion in Israel is divided on the situation…….” - no chance, as usual there’s an agenda.

Randy. I knew that there was more to it than high school drop out but you’ve gone ad hominem again. Nobody’s dancing on graves here. No doubt what is happening is tragic and, again , will be more tragic for the people of Gaza and agree, it should not be happening. The central question, however, is WHY is it happening? One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. In view of your impressive Middle East credentials, do you truly think this has come out of the blue and, like Ukraine, is unprovoked?

And hey! Izzy’s done it again, he’s found a bunch of near eye witnesses refugees who are lamenting their country’s reaction to persecution. Shades of “colonialism has made my people much better off”. I’m yet again calling bullshit.

Carlos sounds like he needs to get over there and avenge those innocent Crusaders. A passionate man indeed! Unforch Carlos, the passionate rant is not persuasive.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

It's obviously a terrible situation but as Mr Walker pointed out there are two sides to this and a long and ugly history. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. What a shit hole part of the world. They need to have clear borders that are not open to debate. Killing civilians is obviously disgusting.

[mightyrooster]

As I said in the other thread the whole situation is one hell of a complex dilemma. Two sides with religious claims to the same land. One dispossessed and the other refuses to adhere to an international agreement which the big players turn a blind eye to. However killing innocent civilians is disgusting. Both sides causing deplorable atrocities and senseless death and suffering is all I see.

[rented tracksuit]

Supporters of murder on any side should not be welcome here

Bingo and there are no innocent sides in any of this. There are innocent people but no innocent sides.

[rented tracksuit]

It's obviously a terrible situation but as Mr Walker pointed out there are two sides to this and a long and ugly history. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. What a shit hole part of the world. They need to have clear borders that are not open to debate. Killing civilians is obviously disgusting.

Exactly. This sort of thing has been going on for ever and it’s not stopping any time soon.

Its horrid to hear of civilians being targeted as they are. Can’t imagine that happening to any of us or our families.

[Thirteen]

It's obviously a terrible situation but as Mr Walker pointed out there are two sides to this and a long and ugly history. One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. What a shit hole part of the world. They need to have clear borders that are not open to debate. Killing civilians is obviously disgusting.

They do have clear borders and Hamas breached them. Now they will face the consequences.

[Paddo Colt 61]

The following is a more sober comment on the strife in the Middle East from a former US diplomat and Defence official. The sort of thing that we should be reading/seeing in our media. Why the need to take sides?

https://johnmenadue.com/amb-chas-fre...tet-offensive/

[rented tracksuit]

They do have clear borders and Hamas breached them. Now they will face the consequences.

Yes but that area of the world has borders that are heavily, constantly and violently disputed.

[Carlos Parra]

Carlo, the Plodder, 08, Jax and Randy. The conventional wisdom brigade repeating MSM propaganda like it’s the word from on high. None of them know anything about the Arab- Israeli conflict but are more than willing to not only jump to conclusions but are passionate and vociferous in so doing. There’s a name for that sort of contributor - Sheeple.

Who, after all, would subscribe to the thoughts of ol’ Jaxie which include Global Warming denial and any other ratbag position that Sky media runs seemingly oblivious to its mug milking MO. Imagine allowing Murdoch and Co to determine yours and your childrens’ destiny? Media that always presents only one predictable side of any issue is media for meatheads pure and simple. One would think that WMDs would raise red flags on any other subsequent matter but Oh no, not with that lot.

There's something seriously wrong with you. In a few short sentences, you've managed to spew all the usual lefty tropes: Abuse, global warming, evil Murdoch, WMDs and more abuse.

I'm hazarding a guess that I know far more than you. This was a monstrous terrorist attack on Israel, NOT the Arab-Israeli conflict as you pathetically phrase it. I have a friend, of almost 30 years standing, who is there on the ground. He's a civilian now, but has done his military service. I spoke to him last night. He and his family are safe, 'we live in the north', he told me. I wake up this morning to hear that the north has been under attack by Leb muslims. He also told me that Bibi has the ways and means to reduce Hamas to dust, but despite his many flaws (my friend thinks Bibi should be in prison), his number 1 priority will be to minimise civilian deaths and to rescue as many hostages as possible. Iran has basically admitted to helping Hamas courtesy of that dribbling potato who runs America. Last night we witnessed disgraceful scenes of sick filth celebrating the mass slaughter of Jews yet it was a single Jewish man with a rolled up flag who was arrested by our very brave cops! We've seen politicians from the left and hard left reveal their true racist colours (as if the referendum isn't enough to prove it) and we've had all the left wing luvvies (like YOU) play down this shocking and tragic event. Josh Addo Carr and SBW have both come out in support of the Palestinians, with any luck they will treated the same way that Israel Folau was treated for speaking out about gays.

The supremacist system called Islam, that you so obviously support, started in the 7th Century. The Jews had already been in Judea for thousands of years by then. Does that penetrate your soft brain? In your limited understanding or recognition of what just happened, I'm amazed you haven't called for a beauty pageant contestant to solve the problems. Terrorists are nothing more than knuckle dragging, rock-ape, barbaric peasants. Thank God, Bibi has decided that they cannot be reasoned or negotiated with. I hope he levels Gaza and lets Iran and other terrorist nations feed them.

UPDATE: At the very least, JAC has been yanked from the Kangaroos squad after a vicious Koori Knockout brawl.

[Carlos Parra]

How many times you going to use the MSM and sheeple line? Surely it's not the best you got.

Sorry to break it to you, but i took Politics and International Relations of the Middle East & Middle East: Foreign Relations and Politics as electives in my Psychology degree. I also took Advanced World Politics and Australian Politics. Yes, I didn't even finish year 10...but that doesn't mean you can't earn a degree later in life.

So I'm going to bet that I know a little bit more about the present situation and history of the Middle East than you do. If you believe that terrorism can be justified or tolerated in any way, you should stop reading John Menadue and start reading more substantive literature....perhaps even the occasional scholarly article.Expand your horizons; you have nothing to lose!

What year did you get that teachers degree?? Could be time for a refresh. That won't hurt either

Well said. Much like King Saliva, Paddo Cxxt 61 has a very misplaced superiority complex. He repeats tired, worn out tropes, abuses people and questions their knowledge. What a smarmy piece of work he is. A typical fawning sycophant.

[Carlos Parra]

The idea of the protests is to try (against the odds) to draw attention to the Palestinian side of the story. Predictably our MSM will, as it always has, promote the US line. Only the Greens have been even handed so far.

Carlos. No one’s telling you what to think. Just asking you to think and not just repeat the msm bias. I know that’ll be hard cos the Palestinians are brown and muzzles to boot.

Really? You seriously believe that?

Then why are Imams and 'community leaders' chanting "Fxxx the Jews, Gas the Jews"?

You're too stupid for words.

[Rooster1908]

Hamas
Family of five murdered by Hamas as total death toll in Israel reaches 900 (yahoo.com)