Terrorist attacks in Israel

[rented tracksuit]

Agree rented , also PNG , many forget the suffering going on close to our own borders

That’s not a place I would want to be.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Most of the "concerned" on here get their impressions and opinions from Western MSM propaganda. It is so predictable - US Intelligence has now backed the view that the hospital destruction was down to Palestine. Who woulda thought? Like the marketplace disaster was Russia' work. That the US is Israel's biggest backer doesn't come into consideration apparently.WMDs anyone?

[Mickie Lane]

I understand innocents are dying mate. Just like they are in Ukraine and Russia. There are also numerous civil wars going throughout Africa and localised terrorist wars in other middle east countries where innocents are sadly caught in the crossfire. Let’s not also forget the many innocent people dying thanks to drug wars in places like Mexico and the Philippines.

Now I’ve just given Paddo a launching pad but I take no responsibility!

I was just wondering where did you hear there was drug wars in the Philippines?
Ive been there twice in the last 12 months & will be there in November & I’ve never seen anything that indicates that. Some of the poor people are hooked on rugby which they sniff to help take the hunger away but drug wars???

[rented tracksuit]

I was just wondering where did you hear there was drug wars in the Philippines?
Ive been there twice in the last 12 months & will be there in November & I’ve never seen anything that indicates that. Some of the poor people are hooked on rugby which they sniff to help take the hunger away but drug wars???

Of all people, I though you would have sniffed it out!

It’s rife there mate. Just because it’s not obvious to a tourist during mean it’s not happening.

The Philippine drug war’s a little different to those in central and South America but still just a devastating on innocent lives. Just under 8000 civilians lost their lives there in only 5 years between 2016-2021.

[Mickie Lane]

I thought you were talking about drug wars like in Mexico where it’s drug lords & their gangs killing other drug lords & their gang.

From google
“The Philippine drug war, known as the War on Drugs, is the intensified anti-drug campaign of the administration of President Rodrigo Duterte, who served office from June 30, 2016, to June 30, 2022

The campaign reduced drug proliferation in the country, but has been marred by extrajudicial killings allegedly perpetrated by the police and unknown assailants.An estimated 7,742 civilians have been killed in "anti-drug operations" carried out by the government and its supporters between 2016 and 2021.

The drug war in Mexico & the drug war in the Philippines are different.

[rented tracksuit]

I thought you were talking about drug wars like in Mexico where it’s drug lords & their gangs killing other drug lords & their gang.

From google
“The Philippine drug war, known as the War on Drugs, is the intensified anti-drug campaign of the administration of President Rodrigo Duterte, who served office from June 30, 2016, to June 30, 2022

The campaign reduced drug proliferation in the country, but has been marred by extrajudicial killings allegedly perpetrated by the police and unknown assailants.An estimated 7,742 civilians have been killed in "anti-drug operations" carried out by the government and its supporters between 2016 and 2021.

The drug war in Mexico & the drug war in the Philippines are different.

Yep. What I said.

I’ve had a bit of an interest in it from around 2016 when our housekeeper was a Filipina. She told me a few ugly stories which made me feel for her and many others.

There are still mass casualties which really shouldn’t be happening.

[Rooster1908]

Yep. What I said.

I’ve had a bit of an interest in it from around 2016 when our housekeeper was a Filipina. She told me a few ugly stories which made me feel for her and many others.

There are still mass casualties which really shouldn’t be happening.

Housekeeper?

[rented tracksuit]

Housekeeper?

She was amazing!

[Rooster1908]

She was amazing!

Mower man and pool boy as well ?

[rented tracksuit]

Mower man and pool boy as well ?

How did you know?!?

[King Salvo]

Oh yeah.....like recent killings in Ukraine are quickly declared Russian atrocities only to have investigative reporters point conclusively to Uke culpability.

Given that non discriminating deadly violence is stock in trade for both sides, let's consider Hamas' attack and civilian targeting and let's cast the normal Israeli as a sheep, ll informed by media and no more aware of issues than Aussies or Yanks. Hamas knew the tactic would revolt the West and it also knows that your average Israeli is indifferent to and probably ignorant about what partition has done to the arab population. By electing, at any opportunity, an extreme right wing cabal of Jewish Nazis and persecutors they (the public) have made themselves complicit in Arab eyes. Like our mob, when horrendous world events swirl about them, they are off to music festivals and any other sort of hedonistic diversion that wealth offers, happy to let an oppressive status quo carry on business as usual.

An attack such as was carried out is deliberately aimed at destroying the public's confidence in government to protect it - Likud said that the wall would protect them, it didn't. Even prior to the attack there was a worrying exodus of Jews from the country and that has now probably increased. Who in their right mind would want to build their McMansion in a disputed territory as the ultra orthodox settlers do, killing and ethnic cleansing as they act illegally. The smarter, or the experienced Israelis, look for solutions. Two States? Maybe that would solve the suppression of Arabs for a time but hard to see it as a permanent fix all. The Arabs want the Jews gone. They didn't accept the UN decision in 1948 when Whitey gave their country to whom they, the Palestinians, saw at the time, and still see, as interlopers.

Jewish Nazis—wow, that's an oxymoron right there.

Comrade Paddo You were supposedly a history teacher, but I often wonder what version of history you may have taught. - The curriculum, or your own version—I don't think Menadue's Malarkey website was around in those days, which was very fortunate for the students, one would say.

I'm not sure how you would call the Israelis' interlopers when they have a history of being in this area for 3 thousand or so years, plus I don't think Palestinians are descendants of the Philistines who inhabited the coastal region of this area.

It's much debated how Palestine got its name—some say from the Greek word Philistines—people being hostile or indifferent to culture and art; others say from the Ottoman Empire period, citing references to the area being called Filistin (Palestine); it was also called Judea at one time as well.

After WW2, there weren't a lot of choices for the creation of an Israeli state as Eastern Europe was occupied by the Soviets, for instance, leaving half of Germany, which would not have been a suitable place to create an Israeli state for obvious reasons.

By law and citing Mabo, for instance, the Israelis would have a claim to reside in this area via their historical connection to this land, whether the Arabs like it or not.

The Arabs rejected the two-state solution, and Israel, surrounded by countries that want to destroy it, has only one option for its survival: to fight, as they don't want to go through another WW2 episode.

Saudi Arabia was about to commence talks with Israel on "normalising" relationships between the two countries and even officially recognising Israel, which obviously would not be liked by other Arab or Islamic countries, so was it a coincidence that Hamas attacked inside Israel when they did?

Obviously, with Saudi Arabia being the head of the Arab/Muslim world, this normalisation of relationships and official recognition would greatly assist in reducing and possibly ending the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Some don't want it to end though

[bondi.boy]

I just removed a photo of Sonny Bill Williams from my fridge.

[rented tracksuit]

I just removed a photo of Sonny Bill Williams from my fridge.

I’m concerned you had one in your fridge in the first place!

[Random Rooster]

Obviously, with Saudi Arabia being the head of the Arab/Muslim world, this normalisation of relationships and official recognition would greatly assist in reducing and possibly ending the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Some don't want it to end though

It will never end....it settles down for a few years then flares up again, although this time it's hit new lows.

I can list a number of pros and negatives on both sides that are factually valid. A person will only listen to points on which they agree.

While there is no doubt Hamas needs to cease i still can't agree with Israels impending ground invasion into Gaza- which i think is more of a emotional response than anything else. The point of terrorism is to evoke a over reaction- i think the best response is to keep your head. Biden asked Israel not to make the same mistakes America made after 9/11....i think Israel is on course to making those mistakes. You can send in your ground troops, more innocent civilians will be killed, so will Israeli troops and the hostages will be killed. Then what are you left with? What's the plan going forward forward?

When Russia invaded Afghanistan, America assisted the Afghans to get the Russians out. But when Russia collapsed, they had no more interest and just left with the Afghanistan in tatters and abandoned. The resentment towards the US Gave rise to Al Qaeda . When the US left Iraq we had the rise of ISIS. More recently after the withdrawal of the US from Afghanistan, we have the Taliban walk straight back in, stronger than they ever have been. Israel's doesn't plan to occupy Palestine- so what is going to be the result of what is left behind? Most Palestinians wont be blaming Hamas, even if they should. I think its going to be a breeding ground of terrorist organisations far worse than Hamas.

The answer , as Phil Gould would say, is a pineapple. I got no idea how it will get resolved, but i think it should start with a cease fire

[Andrew Walker]

I’m concerned you had one in your fridge in the first place!

Neither surprised me