Terrorist attacks in Israel

[Random Rooster]

So Israel should just sit back and do nothing after a group of terrorists come into their territory and kill 1400 and take 250 people hostage?

And one of their leaders comes out and says there will be many more October 7s.

I bet you’d be saying differently if it happened in your country.

Well October 7 shouldn't have happened. For communication from the border to be cut and the military not to be deployed for 6 hours is incompetence beyond belief. Netanyahu and the crazy defence minister he appointed should have stepped down straight away

Israel went into Gaza with the objective of destroying Hamas and freeing the hostages. First thing i thought is if Hamas is hiding behind hostages theres no way you're going to bomb them to get the hostages out alive. I mean if Hamas has no issues with their own people getting killed- so they would have no issues killing all of the hostages. Did anyone expect the Israeli military to corner them in a tunnel and for them to come out with their hands up and to set the hostages free? No way- they will detonate themselves and the hostages at the same time. You need to negotiate to get them all out alive....which is where we are now after 7 weeks of bombing. Hamas will release 50 hostages in exchange for 150 Palestinians in Israeli prisons. That is one hell of a psychological victory for a terrorist group that is being battered into submission.

As for Hamas- they don't just exist in the Gaza strip in tunnels- they are spread all over Syria, Lebanon and especially Qatar. They don't just gather in a room with a sign "Hamas Staff Only" on the door. However lets say for arguments sake that they do take out every Hamas member. Whats left? Hundreds of thousands of young men and children who have seen total destruction of their homes, dead or seriously injured family members and friends (if not themselves)- theres going to be a lot of mentally farked up people there who, unfortunately dont read the Tel Aviv Times and will be lining up to take revenge....ready recruits for Hezbollah in Lebanon or ISIS Yemen.

Will there ever be peace in that region? I dont have a answer.....does anyone???

[Mickie Lane]

Well October 7 shouldn't have happened. For communication from the border to be cut and the military not to be deployed for 6 hours is incompetence beyond belief. Netanyahu and the crazy defence minister he appointed should have stepped down straight away

Israel went into Gaza with the objective of destroying Hamas and freeing the hostages. First thing i thought is if Hamas is hiding behind hostages theres no way you're going to bomb them to get the hostages out alive. I mean if Hamas has no issues with their own people getting killed- so they would have no issues killing all of the hostages. Did anyone expect the Israeli military to corner them in a tunnel and for them to come out with their hands up and to set the hostages free? No way- they will detonate themselves and the hostages at the same time. You need to negotiate to get them all out alive....which is where we are now after 7 weeks of bombing. Hamas will release 50 hostages in exchange for 150 Palestinians in Israeli prisons. That is one hell of a psychological victory for a terrorist group that is being battered into submission.

As for Hamas- they don't just exist in the Gaza strip in tunnels- they are spread all over Syria, Lebanon and especially Qatar. They don't just gather in a room with a sign "Hamas Staff Only" on the door. However lets say for arguments sake that they do take out every Hamas member. Whats left? Hundreds of thousands of young men and children who have seen total destruction of their homes, dead or seriously injured family members and friends (if not themselves)- theres going to be a lot of mentally farked up people there who, unfortunately dont read the Tel Aviv Times and will be lining up to take revenge....ready recruits for Hezbollah in Lebanon or ISIS Yemen.

Will there ever be peace in that region? I dont have a answer.....does anyone???

No, not in our life time.
Mankind cannot live in harmony, never has & probably never will.

[rented tracksuit]

They all want the gas By hook of crook.

https://www.planetcritical.com/p/eve...ants-gazas-gas

I’ve got plenty. Had some pretty garlicky Turkish food last night. I might be a target now!

[Thirteen]

Wakey wakey buddy They want rid of the lot of them Both Israel and the US want the gas that is there

What a ridiculous comment. Shows how little you know. You have zero credibility on this topic and your comment above shows that.

So just to educate you:

Israel had control of Gaza and occupied the area prior to 2005. They literally dragged Israeli settlers from the area so that the Palestinians could take control.

After 38 years of Israeli occupation, thousands of Palestinians rushed into the area that used to be the Jewish settlements in Gaza, and burned at least four synagogues. A nice thank you for to Israel for giving them land.

If Israel wanted the gas why would they hand the area over to the Palestinians in the first place? What a dumb comment!

[Random Rooster]

Piers Morgan....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4idQbwsvtUo&t=1343s

[Andrew Walker]

What a ridiculous comment. Shows how little you know. You have zero credibility on this topic and your comment above shows that.

So just to educate you:

Israel had control of Gaza and occupied the area prior to 2005. They literally dragged Israeli settlers from the area so that the Palestinians could take control.

After 38 years of Israeli occupation, thousands of Palestinians rushed into the area that used to be the Jewish settlements in Gaza, and burned at least four synagogues. A nice thank you for to Israel for giving them land.

If Israel wanted the gas why would they hand the area over to the Palestinians in the first place? What a dumb comment!

Your views are completely biased and you have been guilty on more than one occasion of posting demonstrably proven Israeli propoganda If you read the link you might learn something yourself


https://www.planetcritical.com/p/eve...ants-gazas-gas

I should add This is not the sole purpose of the war, but an added bonus. It will be very interesting to see in the future who is the financial benefactor of this gas

[Andrew Walker]

I’ve got plenty. Had some pretty garlicky Turkish food last night. I might be a target now!

OH RT don’t flatter yourself

[Thirteen]

Your views are completely biased and you have been guilty on more than one occasion of posting demonstrably proven Israeli propoganda If you read the link you might learn something yourself


https://www.planetcritical.com/p/eve...ants-gazas-gas

I should add This is not the sole purpose of the war, but an added bonus. It will be very interesting to see in the future who is the financial benefactor of this gas

If supporting a democratic country who’s been a horrible victim of terrorism means that I am bias, bloody oath you bet I’m bias.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

If supporting a democratic country who’s been a horrible victim of terrorism means that I am bias, bloody oath you bet I’m bias.

Pretty obvious isn't it mate?

I don't come to this part of the forum much nowadays as the ignorant ideologues are out in force. You only have to look at these silly school waggers supporting terrorists over a democracy to see how poisoned some young minds have become. When the pro Hamas supporters are faced with uncomfortable truths, they cry the only defence left to them..."propaganda "!!

Below is a good article by Xin Du that spells out the obvious, but some need a reminder....

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During a call-in show with the late Christopher Hitchens, many years ago, a lady asked a simple but discerning question. After praising Hitchens for his insight, she asked how much of that insight came from talent and what rested on simply ‘knowing about stuff’.

While few can attain the knowledge, experience, and wit of Hitchens, knowing a few basics facts is surely considered the bare minimum to be a member of a society who wishes to participate in the marketplace of ideas… Or, if you don’t know ‘stuff’, you should at least be open to learning.

In our self-censorious age, it is more fashionable and pseudo-sophisticated to regurgitate the prefabricated phrases of the ‘bien-pensant’. It saves the effort of learning and thinking. Given this, we should not be surprised to find so many spouting propaganda without knowing the depth of their ignorance. Nothing illustrates this better than the Israel-Gaza conflict.

Hamas’s surprise attack on Israel, beginning on October 7, killed around 1,200 Israelis, mainly civilians, making it the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust. One mustn’t forget that many Israeli Arabs also perished. One of these inconvenient facts forgotten by pro-Palestinian placard-wavers (who are really pro-Hamas, even if they don’t know it), is that some 20 per cent of Israelis are Arabs and 17 per cent are Muslim. Documents found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists show that the intent of Hamas was to kill as many civilians as possible, including detailed plans to target elementary schools. Another note, recovered by the Israeli Defence Force, read as follows:

‘You must sharpen the blades of your swords and be pure in your intentions before Allah. Know that the enemy is a disease that has no cure, except beheading and removing the hearts and livers. Attack them!’

Video footage, gathered from bodycams of the terrorists, shows them torturing their victims. The bodies found of Hamas’ victims bear the scars of the inhuman suffering they were subjected to before they were killed. There is a recording of a Hamas terrorist calling his parents with the phone of his victim, bragging with glee that he killed 10 people. Another is of terrorists boasting of having cut off the heads of their victims and playing with them.

This is the conduct of Hamas, an organisation designated as a terrorist group by, among others, the US, the UK, the European Union, and Australia. Remember, Hamas was voted into power in 2006 by a slim margin over Fatah in the Gaza Strip, they never allowed another election.

Another ignored fact is the fundamental difference between Israel and Hamas in how they treat their citizens and civilians during conflicts. While the former has made sure that every one of its citizens have access to shelters from the random rocket attacks, Hamas shelters their rockets in schools and hospitals, using civilians as human shields for weaponry and combatants, knowing that Israel will hesitate to attack due to humanitarian reasons. For Hamas, this is a win-win situation – either its civilians will prevent Israel from attacking, or if Israel does strike, the civilian casualties will be used for PR and engender sympathy among the gullible.

The actual welfare of the civilians has never been a consideration for Hamas, underscored by a report that said Hamas is hoarding 200,000 gallons of fuel for its militants, who hide in hundreds of kilometres of tunnels, while hospitals and water treatment plants are running low. Hamas openly calls for the destruction of Israel, and yet Israel is the one providing clean water to Gaza.

Even after the slaughter of Israelis, the Israeli military sent advice to residents in Gaza to move to the south in anticipation of their ground offensive in an attempt to reduce civilian casualties. Which other country will tell their enemies in advance of their combat strategy to avoid civilian casualties? The Hamas leadership, on the other hand, has ordered the civilians in the north to stay.

Around the world, mindless mobs have gathered and marched in support of Hamas and in condemnation of Israel, as if there is any moral equivalence. It is petulant and self-righteous. In Victoria, protestors saw fit to storm the office of Defence Minister Richard Marles. In Sydney, protestors were shouting ‘F*** the Jews!’ Elsewhere, the language reveals the callous nature of pro-Hamas protesters, with one man in London saying that ‘Hitler knew deal with these people’.

One might be tempted to say, and many do, that the slaughter of 1,200 Israelis is the culmination of Israel’s occupation of Gaza. But Israel does not have any presence in Gaza. In 1967, during the Third Arab-Israeli War, Israel occupied the then-Egypt-controlled Gaza (which is seldom mentioned), only after being fired upon from positions within Gaza. In 2005, Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza, forcibly removing the few thousand Jews who settled there.

But Israel has cemented the borders of Gaza, meaning that it is an open-air prison, others might pipe up. Perhaps Israel wouldn’t need to if the Hamas Charter didn’t specifically say that it intends to obliterate the state of Israel. But Gaza also has a border with Egypt, which the Egyptians have kept closed without any condemnation. Is it not morally worse for Egypt, an Islamic country that had occupied Gaza for years, as well as all the other Arab states in the area, many of whom very wealthy, not to open their doors to their brother and sister Muslims? The reality is that the Arab nations, like Hamas, care not a jot for the citizens of Gaza, whom they see only as a useful chess piece in the game of international relations against Israel.

The moral confusion over the Israel-Hamas conflict stems from not knowing ‘about stuff’. For if people knew a little more, there would be mass pro-Palestinian protests against Hamas. As such, in the utter moral confusion, antisemitism of the crassest kind is allowed to flourish again in the West, decades after ‘never again’ was promised. One is reminded of the last lines of Niemöller’s haunting poem:

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –


Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Andrew Walker]

If supporting a democratic country who’s been a horrible victim of terrorism means that I am bias, bloody oath you bet I’m bias.

LOL the two of you are as good as each other Your opinion has nothing to do with democracy It is a matter of faith

[rented tracksuit]

OH RT don’t flatter yourself

Flatter or Flutter?

[rented tracksuit]

LOL the two of you are as good as each other Your opinion has nothing to do with democracy It is a matter of faith

Nothing wrong with having a little faith.

In Robbo we trust after all!

[ism22]

All this 11/9 style 'terrorists' kinda language reminds me of my sad, slightly younger days where I'd visit a female friend (a super hot dancer) and we'd hang out in her room for ages.

Down the hallway was her brother, who sat around playing CS all day and having massive nerd rages at his computer. You could hear constant gun shots and taunting of 'stupid Arabs' and 'farking terrorists' in the background.

We never went anywhere (despite some great moments) because JUST as we were loosening up, we'd hear a 'BOOOOM - [cliche movie style army voice] GO GO GO - TEEEERORISTS WIIIIN', followed by a MASSIVE nerd rage about 'terrorists / Arabs' and a hectic table flip. This would kill the mood and we'd both be like 'eeerm... aaar... sooo... yeah better get going I guess, hey'.

Sigh. My failed attempts to be romantic during my early 20's

[mightyrooster]

All this 11/9 style 'terrorists' kinda language reminds me of my sad, slightly younger days where I'd visit a female friend (a super hot dancer) and we'd hang out in her room for ages.

Down the hallway was her brother, who sat around playing CS all day and having massive nerd rages at his computer. You could hear constant gun shots and taunting of 'stupid Arabs' and 'farking terrorists' in the background.

We never went anywhere (despite some great moments) because JUST as we were loosening up, we'd hear a 'BOOOOM - [cliche movie style army voice] GO GO GO - TEEEERORISTS WIIIIN', followed by a MASSIVE nerd rage about 'terrorists / Arabs' and a hectic table flip. This would kill the mood and we'd both be like 'eeerm... aaar... sooo... yeah better get going I guess, hey'.

Sigh. My failed attempts to be romantic during my early 20's

Lol, you make me laugh ism. Don’t ever change. I love your down to earth honesty.

[Andrew Walker]

Nothing wrong with having a little faith.

In Robbo we trust after all!

There certainly is nothing wrong with a bit of faith. At times though it does tend to cloud peoples judgement