Terrorist attacks in Israel

[Andrew Walker]

Piers Morgan....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4idQbwsvtUo&t=1343s

Brilliant interview Bassem is a genius the way he got his point across So many brilliant responses in this but I thought this one stood out

Dealing with Israel is like being with a narcissistic psychopath He fcuks you up then makes it feel like it is your fault

Everyone should take the half hour to listen to this

[Random Rooster]

Pretty obvious isn't it mate?

I don't come to this part of the forum much nowadays as the ignorant ideologues are out in force. You only have to look at these silly school waggers supporting terrorists over a democracy to see how poisoned some young minds have become. When the pro Hamas supporters are faced with uncomfortable truths, they cry the only defence left to them..."propaganda "!!

Below is a good article by Xin Du that spells out the obvious, but some need a reminder....

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No one of sound mind is on the side of Hamas....and anyone who applauds the death of innocent civilians, for mine, is not of sound mind. Israel has every right to defend themselves,as does every country, but bombing the shit out of the Gaza is not defending yourself. Israeli citizens are no safer now than before the ground offensive into Gaza-in fact its the opposite. Hamas wanted this reply- and even taunt it with decaring last week " we will do more October 7th type attacks in the future". Israel may think they are showing all what will happen if you mess with them, but what the Muslim world is seeing is the death of children, civilians and indiscriminate bombing.....and their hate, in the future, will be aimed at anyone who is Jewish.

It was only 6 weeks ago that the Israeli National Security Council head Tzachi Hanegbi declared " Israel will not hold negotiations with an enemy that we have vowed to wipe them from the face of the earth". Yet here we are, Israel is negotiating with the enemy that is supposed to be destroyed. At the end of the ceasefire Israel has vowed to continue the bombing, in defiance of international and humanitarian law. What happens to the 200 outstanding hostages still being held by Hamas? Just right them off as collateral damage? 70 Israeli soldiers have died since the ground offensive, is that the price you have to pay? At this rate its going to cost more lives of soldiers than that of hostages- and the irony is the closer the Israeli army get to the Hamas the more chance of the remaining hostages being either killed by the bombing....or by Hamas.

What happens when the military operation is over? What is left? Ruins that will be a fertile breeding ground for more terrorists for starters. This time the calls for a Muslim uprising has fallen on deaf ears but if theres a next time theres a real chance it trigger a response. Israel doesn't have the geographical luxury of the USA- who is surrounded by water and borders with Canada and Mexico.....in contrast Israel is surrounded by countries that are hostile towards them. The Europeans non-support of Israels bombing has been deafening and relying on a political basketcase USA for support is flirting with danger.

For mine, it's another case of violence in response to violence that will create more problems than solutions.

[Mickie Lane]

No one of sound mind is on the side of Hamas....and anyone who applauds the death of innocent civilians, for mine, is not of sound mind. Israel has every right to defend themselves,as does every country, but bombing the shit out of the Gaza is not defending yourself. Israeli citizens are no safer now than before the ground offensive into Gaza-in fact its the opposite. Hamas wanted this reply- and even taunt it with decaring last week " we will do more October 7th type attacks in the future". Israel may think they are showing all what will happen if you mess with them, but what the Muslim world is seeing is the death of children, civilians and indiscriminate bombing.....and their hate, in the future, will be aimed at anyone who is Jewish.

It was only 6 weeks ago that the Israeli National Security Council head Tzachi Hanegbi declared " Israel will not hold negotiations with an enemy that we have vowed to wipe them from the face of the earth". Yet here we are, Israel is negotiating with the enemy that is supposed to be destroyed. At the end of the ceasefire Israel has vowed to continue the bombing, in defiance of international and humanitarian law. What happens to the 200 outstanding hostages still being held by Hamas? Just right them off as collateral damage? 70 Israeli soldiers have died since the ground offensive, is that the price you have to pay? At this rate its going to cost more lives of soldiers than that of hostages- and the irony is the closer the Israeli army get to the Hamas the more chance of the remaining hostages being either killed by the bombing....or by Hamas.

What happens when the military operation is over? What is left? Ruins that will be a fertile breeding ground for more terrorists for starters. This time the calls for a Muslim uprising has fallen on deaf ears but if theres a next time theres a real chance it trigger a response. Israel doesn't have the geographical luxury of the USA- who is surrounded by water and borders with Canada and Mexico.....in contrast Israel is surrounded by countries that are hostile towards them. The Europeans non-support of Israels bombing has been deafening and relying on a political basketcase USA for support is flirting with danger.

For mine, it's another case of violence in response to violence that will create more problems than solutions.

Come on man, you cant come on here making sense like that.

[King Salvo]

It wouldn't matter if Israel counterattacked or not, and the current conflict does not have a greater potential for cultivating more Hamas or Islamic terrorists than at any other time, as that potential to cultivate more exists already from the day they are born, as they are brainwashed into hating Israel and Jewish people from day 1.

Use the same ideology and methodology as the Nazi Germans did to some degree, and this is historical—the hate the Arabs have for Jewish people, not just back to 1947.

Hamas officials continually say all Palestinians are martyrs, and they are a country of martyrs, except of course that won't be them or their families as they reside in Qatar, Turkey, and Iran with their billions.

Hamas is not a solution but a problem that needs to be taken out by Israel or booted out of office by the Palestinians themselves whenever an election is next held, as there has not been one since 2006.

Iran, an arch enemy of Israel, is a different kettle of fish, as they are substantial backers of Hamas, Hezbollah (Lebanon), Houthi (Yemen), Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria, as is Russia, and other terrorist groups in Iraq, Bahrain, Pakistan and Bangladesh to name a few..

Does Saudi Arabia have the mettle or courage as the leader of the Arab/Muslim world to convince enough Arab Muslim and non-Arab Muslim countries to work towards a two-state solution that includes the recognition and normalisation of relations with Israel under a range of Israeli-Palestinian peace accords?

One thing not discussed so far is the use of UN peacekeeping forces - Last used to some degree in the Balkans War I recall

Interesting the 5 point plan Netherlands PM Geert Wilders has - see from 1:52 - Plans for a DEXIT for the Netherlands to leave the EU

Get Out From Here': Dutch PM Probable Geert Wilders Tells Muslims

[Rooster1908]

It wouldn't matter if Israel counterattacked or not, and the current conflict does not have a greater potential for cultivating more Hamas or Islamic terrorists than at any other time, as that potential to cultivate more exists already from the day they are born, as they are brainwashed into hating Israel and Jewish people from day 1.

Use the same ideology and methodology as the Nazi Germans did to some degree, and this is historical—the hate the Arabs have for Jewish people, not just back to 1947.

Hamas officials continually say all Palestinians are martyrs, and they are a country of martyrs, except of course that won't be them or their families as they reside in Qatar, Turkey, and Iran with their billions.

Hamas is not a solution but a problem that needs to be taken out by Israel or booted out of office by the Palestinians themselves whenever an election is next held, as there has not been one since 2006.

Iran, an arch enemy of Israel, is a different kettle of fish, as they are substantial backers of Hamas, Hezbollah (Lebanon), Houthi (Yemen), Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria, as is Russia, and other terrorist groups in Iraq, Bahrain, Pakistan and Bangladesh to name a few..

Does Saudi Arabia have the mettle or courage as the leader of the Arab/Muslim world to convince enough Arab Muslim and non-Arab Muslim countries to work towards a two-state solution that includes the recognition and normalisation of relations with Israel under a range of Israeli-Palestinian peace accords?

One thing not discussed so far is the use of UN peacekeeping forces - Last used to some degree in the Balkans War I recall

Interesting the 5 point plan Netherlands PM Geert Wilders has - see from 1:52 - Plans for a DEXIT for the Netherlands to leave the EU

Get Out From Here': Dutch PM Probable Geert Wilders Tells Muslims

Bit like me with the vermin

[Andrew Walker]

It wouldn't matter if Israel counterattacked or not, and the current conflict does not have a greater potential for cultivating more Hamas or Islamic terrorists than at any other time, as that potential to cultivate more exists already from the day they are born, as they are brainwashed into hating Israel and Jewish people from day 1.

Use the same ideology and methodology as the Nazi Germans did to some degree, and this is historical—the hate the Arabs have for Jewish people, not just back to 1947.

Hamas officials continually say all Palestinians are martyrs, and they are a country of martyrs, except of course that won't be them or their families as they reside in Qatar, Turkey, and Iran with their billions.

Hamas is not a solution but a problem that needs to be taken out by Israel or booted out of office by the Palestinians themselves whenever an election is next held, as there has not been one since 2006.

Iran, an arch enemy of Israel, is a different kettle of fish, as they are substantial backers of Hamas, Hezbollah (Lebanon), Houthi (Yemen), Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria, as is Russia, and other terrorist groups in Iraq, Bahrain, Pakistan and Bangladesh to name a few..

Does Saudi Arabia have the mettle or courage as the leader of the Arab/Muslim world to convince enough Arab Muslim and non-Arab Muslim countries to work towards a two-state solution that includes the recognition and normalisation of relations with Israel under a range of Israeli-Palestinian peace accords?

One thing not discussed so far is the use of UN peacekeeping forces - Last used to some degree in the Balkans War I recall

Interesting the 5 point plan Netherlands PM Geert Wilders has - see from 1:52 - Plans for a DEXIT for the Netherlands to leave the EU

Get Out From Here': Dutch PM Probable Geert Wilders Tells Muslims

Those peace keeping forces you speak of ended up being useless. Srebenica being the show case of this statement.

[Paddo Colt 61]

This piece by Scott Ritter whom you may remember as a US inspector who blew the whistle on WMDs before the illegal invasion of Iraq. Now that the confected emotional upheaval of October 7th has passed, truth emerges. Israeli "settlements" age garrisoned strongholds and part of the Palestinian containment policy. Who knew? Most deaths were caused by Israeli military. Who knew? Israel and the US lied. Who knew? Most of us are suckers for propaganda. Everyone should know that!

https://johnmenadue.com/the-october-...-this-century/

[Andrew Walker]

This piece by Scott Ritter whom you may remember as a US inspector who blew the whistle on WMDs before the illegal invasion of Iraq. Now that the confected emotional upheaval of October 7th has passed, truth emerges. Israeli "settlements" age garrisoned strongholds and part of the Palestinian containment policy. Who knew? Most deaths were caused by Israeli military. Who knew? Israel and the US lied. Who knew? Most of us are suckers for propaganda. Everyone should know that!

https://johnmenadue.com/the-october-...-this-century/

Brilliant piece and a testament to what a great site the Menadue one is It certainly is a great site to visit for all geopolitical affairs

Bravo Paddo for posting this Bravo Bravo. I’ve read a bit about this ( IDF being responsible for many of the Israeli deaths ) over the last month but could not be bothered posting. No doubt this will send Thirteen and our perhaps our friend 08 and certainly our war monger friend Jaxxxxx into a spin

[mightyrooster]

I'll say it again, and I know some will flame at me for saying it, but the situation is complex. Fire away.

[Random Rooster]

This piece by Scott Ritter whom you may remember as a US inspector who blew the whistle on WMDs before the illegal invasion of Iraq. Now that the confected emotional upheaval of October 7th has passed, truth emerges. Israeli "settlements" age garrisoned strongholds and part of the Palestinian containment policy. Who knew? Most deaths were caused by Israeli military. Who knew? Israel and the US lied. Who knew? Most of us are suckers for propaganda. Everyone should know that!

https://johnmenadue.com/the-october-...-this-century/

Oh yeah, i remember Scott Ritter. We mentioned him before. He is the outcast who got caught out (twice) by cops who were posing as underage girls on some meeting website. Ritter agreed to meet the fictional teenagers in fast-food parking lots with the intention of masturbating in front of them, only to be confronted by cops when he arrived.

As for what he wrote here, does he believe he is giving Hamas some legitimacy by declaring the act to be a military operation rather than a terrorist act? A lot of what he says needs to be supported by references because it appears that he is pulling information from his arse.eg Moreover, it turns out that the number one killer of Israelis on October 7 wasn’t Hamas or other Palestinian factions, but the Israeli military itself. Where the hell did he get that one from? Here's the hint " it turns out" means he has made it up. If it was " according to" and he states his source, then that will give it credibility. There's a lot of " it turns out" type statements in his article. He doesn't mind quoting his source when it suits him, eg the Marine Corps definition of a raid.

What is of importance is the current situation. My belief from the start is there should be no military action of any sort in Gaza. What is happening now is unbelievably deplorable. Ignoring international and humanitarian law will have consequences. Israel and its citizens will be left in a far more dangerous position than what they were before Oct 7. The worlds support has now sided with the Palestinians. The goal of destroying of Hamas wont mean a thing when there dozens of other terrorist organisations ready to step up and take their place. There needs to be a ceasefire, hostaes need to be released and there has to be a mediator between Israel and the Palestinians to bring some form of harmony back (if possible)

[Paddo Colt 61]

I agree with you Randy. The situation in Gaza is shaping up as the nearest thing I've seen to a genocide that isn't called one. The US could order a halt but doesn't.

I've read articles other than Ritter's that point out that the destruction on October 8 could not have been wrought by the small arms that Hamas had. No evidence and retraction of headless babies and, currently, no capture or killing of Hamas leadership not ant footage of a subterranean city.

Ritter gives Hamas legitimacy by pointing out that the settlements were military targets which I, and most of the West, didn't know. They were/are garrisoned as you would expect - second barriers after the 10 metre high barbed wire fence which encloses the Palestinians.

Like 9/11 it was a brilliant and brave maneuver by any measure and what we're seeing is the wrath of a government caught with its pant down - diversion on a massive and inhumane scale.

[Andrew Walker]

Oh yeah, i remember Scott Ritter. We mentioned him before. He is the outcast who got caught out (twice) by cops who were posing as underage girls on some meeting website. Ritter agreed to meet the fictional teenagers in fast-food parking lots with the intention of masturbating in front of them, only to be confronted by cops when he arrived.

As for what he wrote here, does he believe he is giving Hamas some legitimacy by declaring the act to be a military operation rather than a terrorist act? A lot of what he says needs to be supported by references because it appears that he is pulling information from his arse.eg Moreover, it turns out that the number one killer of Israelis on October 7 wasn’t Hamas or other Palestinian factions, but the Israeli military itself. Where the hell did he get that one from? Here's the hint " it turns out" means he has made it up. If it was " according to" and he states his source, then that will give it credibility. There's a lot of " it turns out" type statements in his article. He doesn't mind quoting his source when it suits him, eg the Marine Corps definition of a raid.

What is of importance is the current situation. My belief from the start is there should be no military action of any sort in Gaza. What is happening now is unbelievably deplorable. Ignoring international and humanitarian law will have consequences. Israel and its citizens will be left in a far more dangerous position than what they were before Oct 7. The worlds support has now sided with the Palestinians. The goal of destroying of Hamas wont mean a thing when there dozens of other terrorist organisations ready to step up and take their place. There needs to be a ceasefire, hostaes need to be released and there has to be a mediator between Israel and the Palestinians to bring some form of harmony back (if possible)

Irrespective of what you say The thing is Ritter was right about there being no WOMD

As wrong as his misdemeanour was I’m not sure why it is relevant in this discussion However I did find this an interesting read

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/m...tt-ritter.html

[Andrew Walker]

I agree with you Randy. The situation in Gaza is shaping up as the nearest thing I've seen to a genocide that isn't called one. The US could order a halt but doesn't.

I've read articles other than Ritter's that point out that the destruction on October 8 could not have been wrought by the small arms that Hamas had. No evidence and retraction of headless babies and, currently, no capture or killing of Hamas leadership not ant footage of a subterranean city.

What Ritter has said has been said and written about by others and circulating in places online for over a month now.

I’m waiting for Jaxxxx to call Randy out as it appears he has played the man to discredit anything he has said and been right about

[Paddo Colt 61]

Irrespective of what you say The thing is Ritter was right about there being no WOMD

As wrong as his misdemeanour was I’m not sure why it is relevant in this discussion However I did find this an interesting read

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/m...tt-ritter.html

I know nothing about Ritter's personal sexual predilections but I don't see, either, how personal peccadillos reflect on his professional career. The conviction is, however, a monumental smear and you'd have to wonder.

Both JFK and Martin Luther King Jnr were notorious philanderers but that doesn't affect their hero status in the West.

The NYT is egregiously Right Wing and to it he'd be a traitor as he's already excoriated the US for the debacle in Ukraine.

[Random Rooster]

Irrespective of what you say The thing is Ritter was right about there being no WMD

As wrong as his misdemeanour was I’m not sure why it is relevant in this discussion However I did find this an interesting read

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/m...tt-ritter.html

I was just replying to Paddo's saying about Ritter "whom you may remember as a US inspector who blew the whistle on WMDs".....i do remember Ritter but for the other reason. That's all.

Incidentally in nearly all state in the USA, soliciting minors online and organising to meet up with them is a felony. Misdemeanors are generally for offences that carry a 12 month or less sentence.

Ritter was far from alone when he predicted that Iraq had no WMD. Michael Moore, the Late Senator Ted Kennedy, Senator Bernie Sanders: Congress member Barbara Lee.....even actors Jane Fonda, Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon.....they are just a few who said the intelligence revealing Iraq had WMD was flawed and were against the war. When George W Bush said of Saddam " he tried to kill my Dad", the alarm bells went off as to the real reason for invading.

As for what is happening now in Palestine,- i believe Netanyahu should be tried as a war criminal .....as should any member of Hamas that were involved in October 7. All of them are filth