Terrorist attacks in Israel

[Thirteen]

Randy had already touched in these demands and what sane people with no skin or blood in this think of them. But a Genuine and non incendiary question Where are they expected to go or where do you expect them to go ?

They can blame the Hamas terrorists for their displacement. Israel was hardly going to sit back and do nothing after what happened last Saturday.

And where should they go? South, just like Israel said. Or be killed.

[Andrew Walker]

They can blame the Hamas terrorists for their displacement. Israel was hardly going to sit back and do nothing after what happened last Saturday.

And where should they go? South, just like Israel said. Or be killed.

Where exactly and again to move millions of people in 24 hours are unreasonable demands

I and millions of others across the world believe the Israeli govt are unofficially happy to see such a humanitarian disaster take place

I have nothing against Jewish people I know some extremely kind generous people I know some Palestinian I will say same about them I’ve mentioned one whose list family He was horrified when Hamas were voted in he believed something like this would come I don’t blame either people I blame their govts and both of their policies

[mightyrooster]

Iran already got involved when they helped arrange approve and fund the original act of terrorism in these recent atrocities.

Yes true. I guess I meant more overtly, out in the open. The US is also involved behind the scenes.

[mightyrooster]

Israel has the backing of every first world nation. Iran doesn’t want to face that.

I’m not sure I trust the Iranians to care about that, but you’re right.

[Paddo Colt 61]

* Randy: I don't see the role of Iran as you do. Iran no doubt supports persecuted muslims against the US and its proxy through Hamas, Hezbollah etc but it is not some kind of puppet master in all this. The impetus comes from the history of the occupation, the partitioning, the privations, the blockades, the theft of land and the violence endured by the people of Gaza. All of that is what has brought the current situation about as it has done in the past and will do in time to come unless there is a settlement. Sure, ordinary Palestinian folk would not all support Hamas but you can betcha they mostly hate Israel. They have a lived experience.

The US declared Hamas a "terrorist" organisation, partly so that there can be no negotiations. The Global South sees things differently. One man's terrorist......

* 13: Why not read my post at #44 which includes the opinion of an Israeli journalist telling it like it is. The like of which we'd never see in our western MSM.

* Andy: The breaching of the iron wall was brilliant piece of ingenuity and resourcefulness and surely Bibi must wear the blame. The wall cost 1 billion and was supposed to be impregnable, or at least that was Bibi's claim though not the army's. It has been a spectacular failure. Israelis are not safe. Bibi is casting himself as the avenger now but medium term you would have to think that he's a goner, the security failure has been monumental. How was it done?

The wall is/was 6 metres high and goes deep into the earth, is wired extensively with hi tech sensors that detect any interference. It has domed towers every 500m with remote controlled heavy machine guns mounted. Over the counter drone fitted with explosives took out the towers and were then used as artillery (battlefield techniques learned from the war in Ukraine). Hamas snipers exploded the ammunition boxes of the machine guns. There are constructed sand dunes on the Israeli side which are there to slow any attack in force but "paratroops" on motorised hang gliders easily flew over them. The logistics of such an large offensive were clearly enormous but were carried out in plain sight - cars and trucks were parked in streets and bulldozers parked at building sites were employed to widen the first breaches allowing the attack to stream through. An offensive very much on the cheap negated the high tech capability of one of the most powerful militaries on Earth.

[Random Rooster]

* Randy: I don't see the role of Iran as you do. Iran no doubt supports persecuted muslims against the US and its proxy through Hamas, Hezbollah etc but it is not some kind of puppet master in all this. The impetus comes from the history of the occupation, the partitioning, the privations, the blockades, the theft of land and the violence endured by the people of Gaza. All of that is what has brought the current situation about as it has done in the past and will do in time to come unless there is a settlement. Sure, ordinary Palestinian folk would not all support Hamas but you can betcha they mostly hate Israel. They have a lived experience.

The US declared Hamas a "terrorist" organisation, partly so that there can be no negotiations. The Global South sees things differently. One man's terrorist......

Neither the US nor anyone else is required to declare Hamas a terrorist organisation or anything else. If you want to know who Hamas is and what they stand for, all you have to do is read "The Hamas Covenant or Hamas Charter" - they tell you!!! Its essential reading to understand this mess.

When Hamas won the election in 2006, they forcibly removed their main political party (Arafat's Fatah Party- another story for another day) as lawmakers in Gaza...and there hasn't been an election since (is this where you're going to quote 90% satisfaction among the Palestinian people??). Put yourself in Israel's position. They are now sharing a region with a group that, by their own admission, want to eradicate you from the face of the earth. What do you think would happen if Israel simply let them do whatever they wanted and come and leave as they pleased? There's a reason Egypt refuses to open its borders to Palestinians even as of today. Of course, Hamas wanted Israel to use blockades, divisions, and anything else Israel needed to do to keep Hamas suicide bombers and terrorists out. They intended to show the world and their fellow Arab countries that "look at us, we have nothing and are being killed for being Muslim." Of course, the majority of Palestinians, particularly those of fighting age, despise Israel. What kind of world do you believe they grew up in? Note how quiet the other middle east countries are in the last week-forget about military back up- most aren't even offering humanitarian aid. They know who Hamas are

Hamas does not seek peace or freedom....this is not their goal- they tell you in writing what they want. They are not freedom fighters. What happened a week ago was a terrorist attack on unarmed innocent civilians, nothing more.

Concerning Iran, the country's supreme leader denied any involvement, but added, "We kiss the foreheads and arms of the resourceful and intelligent designers (of the operation) and the Palestinian youth." If Iran was not involved, Hamas would have come a long way in terms of weaponry and training.

[mightyrooster]

Neither the US nor anyone else is required to declare Hamas a terrorist organisation or anything else. If you want to know who Hamas is and what they stand for, all you have to do is read "The Hamas Covenant or Hamas Charter" - they tell you!!! Its essential reading to understand this mess.

When Hamas won the election in 2006, they forcibly removed their main political party (Arafat's Fatah Party- another story for another day) as lawmakers in Gaza...and there hasn't been an election since (is this where you're going to quote 90% satisfaction among the Palestinian people??). Put yourself in Israel's position. They are now sharing a region with a group that, by their own admission, want to eradicate you from the face of the earth. What do you think would happen if Israel simply let them do whatever they wanted and come and leave as they pleased? There's a reason Egypt refuses to open its borders to Palestinians even as of today. Of course, Hamas wanted Israel to use blockades, divisions, and anything else Israel needed to do to keep Hamas suicide bombers and terrorists out. They intended to show the world and their fellow Arab countries that "look at us, we have nothing and are being killed for being Muslim." Of course, the majority of Palestinians, particularly those of fighting age, despise Israel. What kind of world do you believe they grew up in? Note how quiet the other middle east countries are in the last week-forget about military back up- most aren't even offering humanitarian aid. They know who Hamas are

Hamas does not seek peace or freedom....this is not their goal- they tell you in writing what they want. They are not freedom fighters. What happened a week ago was a terrorist attack on unarmed innocent civilians, nothing more.

Concerning Iran, the country's supreme leader denied any involvement, but added, "We kiss the foreheads and arms of the resourceful and intelligent designers (of the operation) and the Palestinian youth." If Iran was not involved, Hamas would have come a long way in terms of weaponry and training.

Thanks Random. It's great to know this sort of info.

[Thirteen]

If Hamas want a war why don’t they just take their guns and challenge the Israeli army. They are cowards going after women and children and doing the most horrific things to them.

[Random Rooster]

If Hamas want a war why don’t they just take their guns and challenge the Israeli army. They are cowards going after women and children and doing the most horrific things to them.

Cowards is too nice- they are filty low life evil scum. They use the Palestinians as disposable chess pieces. Here is a easy fix to the issue of the Palestinians now not having water,food, electricity and being told to leave in evaluate in 24hrs....just release the innocent hostages. Of course Hamas aren't interested in negotiations, they would rather blow themselves up and take the hostages with them



The impending ground offensive does not sit well with me. You can be certain that innocent Palestinians and Israeli soldiers will be killed if they go in. You can't be certain that you'll find any Hamas terrorists. If you confront them and they have captives, they will kill them if they are surrounded. Hamas may be anywhere--split up into separate districts, or perhaps out of the area entirely. Its very possible they could be telling the Palestinian not to leave to give the impression they are hiding amongst them. This is just my opinion- Israel may have intelligence that alerts them- however it appears Israeli intelligence isn't as good as we are made to believe.

[Paddo Colt 61]

There was already increasing International demands for the human rights of Palestinians to be recognised before the attack. The Israeli Right wing government seemed to double down - talk of mass deportation etc. Right and wrong are points of view and you tend to demonise Hamas suggesting that it is solely responsible for Gaza's plight. Of course the martyrdom of thousands is in their tactical interests but the West is not so horrified when brown people are victims.

Me no understand a sense of nationalism so strong that the community is able and willing to form sizeable paramilitaries to fight (on behalf of the people) for a principle. I can't relate to Jax's patriotism. My brother dodged the racist war in Viet by simply presenting a doctor's certificate certifying that he had chronic Rhinitis. For me our real Viet heroes were the guys who went to jail rather than be a part of it.

How can you get that passionate about risking your existence? But people obviously do, in sufficient numbers. It's untrue to suggest that Hamas is not part of the community and widely embraced. I would be cleaned up pronto if it was not - give-ups everywhere.

The Shi'ite/Sunni thing divides Iran and Palestine to a considerable extent as it does more widely among the arab states. They share only a common enemy. It's in none of their interests to get involved.

Your "they'll get what's coming to them", Hamas' fault or not, is an extreme Right view. I'm depressed to thing what "destroying" Hamas might look like. The torture for information that will be endured.

[King Salvo]

Hamas is funded by Iran and the US declared Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization in October 1997.

The history of this is a bit more complex than the current conflict.

Current Israel's borders explained in maps

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54116567


1947 Palestine Plan of Partition

The proposed plan divided Palestine into three parts: an Arab State, a Jewish State and the City of Jerusalem, linked by extraterritorial crossroads.

The proposed Arab State would include the central and part of western Galilee, with the town of Acre, the hill country of Samaria and Judea, an enclave at Jaffa, and the southern coast stretching from north of Isdud (now Ashdod) and encompassing what is now the Gaza Strip, with a section of desert along the Egyptian border.

The proposed Jewish State would include the fertile Eastern Galilee, the Coastal Plain, stretching from Haifa to Rehovot and most of the Negev desert, including the southern outpost of Umm Rashrash (now Eilat). The Jerusalem Corpus Separatum included Bethlehem and the surrounding areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._for_Palestine

[eddie]

Bloody religion..........................nothing good comes from it.
You'd think in this day and age people would outgrow their silly god fantasies.

[Random Rooster]

Bloody religion..........................nothing good comes from it.
You'd think in this day and age people would outgrow their silly god fantasies.

Amen!!!!

[Carlos Parra]

News travels fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Burney

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Bloody religion..........................nothing good comes from it.
You'd think in this day and age people would outgrow their silly god fantasies.

Well said Eddie. If both parties took their imaginary friends out of this they could clearly leave each other the hell alone.