Australia Day Bondi beach dawn reflection ceremony

[mightyrooster]

I think I might have to fast track my plans and post about 50 songs in the music thread and bid you all farewell.

[Andrew Walker]

I think I might have to fast track my plans and post about 50 songs in the music thread and bid you all farewell.

What a shame You will be missed But cya

[horrie hastings]

I did manage to watch it last night when you posted it and I agree.

i thought Mark Callaghan voice was still very good too.

[bondi.boy]

Most people's kids are ill educated. If they're from a family that does not read (ie has books in the house), watches commercial media and subscribes to tabloid news, their educational outcome is petty much predictable. If your daughter/son gets 50-60 ATAR, it's no triumph believe me. The quality students are Band 6 and Upper Band 5 and they could consider that their education has just begun. The rest will move on to a life not dissimilar to their parents - conformist with no real interest in much at all and at the mercy of right wing media on matters political.
Pelican,
In wealthy Australia that's not so bad. Oz Day around the above ground pool, the mediocre school leavers of not so long ago now with their own offspring - Maverick, Pelican, Jayden, Montana and Phoenix.

Ah yes, "the mediocre school leavers".
Not every child can achieve an ATAR in the 90s.
Most children find a career in life suited to them.
Business college.
TAFE
Trades
Guys with muscle have many job options that pay well.
Gals with beauty the same.
Kids start at the bottom in hospitality and the sky's the limit for well paying jobs.

Increasing number of parents are removing their kids from public schools and sending them to private schools of some sort.

[Andrew Walker]

Ah yes, "the mediocre school leavers".
Not every child can achieve an ATAR in the 90s.
Most children find a career in life suited to them.
Business college.
TAFE
Trades
Guys with muscle have many job options that pay well.
Gals with beauty the same.
Kids start at the bottom in hospitality and the sky's the limit for well paying jobs.

Increasing number of parents are removing their kids from public schools and sending them to private schools of some sort.

Excellent points BB

[Random Rooster]

We kind of claimed them as Aussie though, after their invasion of our country in the 1970s , then they settled here. Bloody oppressors

Touche! lol !! We can take Split Enz and Phar Lap too

[mightyrooster]

Ah yes, "the mediocre school leavers".
Not every child can achieve an ATAR in the 90s.
Most children find a career in life suited to them.
Business college.
TAFE
Trades
Guys with muscle have many job options that pay well.
Gals with beauty the same.
Kids start at the bottom in hospitality and the sky's the limit for well paying jobs.

Increasing number of parents are removing their kids from public schools and sending them to private schools of some sort.

I agree with you there BB. Well said. We’re all different, all have different skills, abilities and personalities. If we were all academic nothing would get done and vice versa. Same applies to all aspects of life including discussions on this thread.

I have two kids, one extremely smart, high ATAR achiever, the other more creative and lateral thinker.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I wasn't saying that the kids who don't score well are dumb. As BB says, most go on to satisfying careers and are good at what they do but the extra years at school are intended to extend their cognitive function, to get them to think critically for the life ahead. Most, however, don't take up the challenge, something in their early development has impeded intellectual curiosity. the result is new cohort susceptible to propaganda, advertising and group think. Knowledge is power declared Francis Bacon.
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Ironically, BB, any negative view of public education might be down to the classroom behaviour of the incurious lower rankers. I haven't seen any stats on a drift to private education but I doubt it's a flood. When Montana Smith sees Pelican Jones' daughter getting 60 in the HSC despite the years of expense, she might cancel her own kid's enrollment at The Lakes Christian School. The situation is environmental, nothing to do with public or private.

Most Aussies care little about their kids' education beyond pious hopes that they'll find whatever it is that promotes intellectual development. They mustn't care because the looting of public education goes on and most send their kids to state schools.

[horrie hastings]

Touche! lol !! We can take Split Enz and Phar Lap too

But they can keep Russell Crowe

[ism22]

I agree with you there BB. Well said. We’re all different, all have different skills, abilities and personalities. If we were all academic nothing would get done and vice versa. Same applies to all aspects of life including discussions on this thread.

I have two kids, one extremely smart, high ATAR achiever, the other more creative and lateral thinker.

I got a high ATAR and was a national grade athlete.

Now I've got a piece of paper to prove I studied law and I can irritate people on here by talking about my marathon training plan.

Clearly this is most parents' dream for their kids

[mightyrooster]

I got a high ATAR and was a national grade athlete.

Now I've got a piece of paper to prove I studied law and I can irritate people on here by talking about my marathon training plan.

Clearly this is most parents' dream for their kids

Lol. My point was that I treated both kids exactly the same, but they are complete opposites in their pursuits. One is a maths genius who loves computer programming and science. The other loathes such things and prefers art. But I only ever want them to do what they enjoy doing and be themselves.

[King Salvo]

Most people's kids are ill educated. If they're from a family that does not read (ie has books in the house), watches commercial media and subscribes to tabloid news, their educational outcome is petty much predictable. If your daughter/son gets 50-60 ATAR, it's no triumph believe me. The quality students are Band 6 and Upper Band 5 and they could consider that their education has just begun. The rest will move on to a life not dissimilar to their parents - conformist with no real interest in much at all and at the mercy of right wing media on matters political.
Pelican,
In wealthy Australia that's not so bad. Oz Day around the above ground pool, the mediocre school leavers of not so long ago now with their own offspring - Maverick, Pelican, Jayden, Montana and Phoenix.

Gees, Comrade Paddo, you consider yourself highly educated, but you are from an era where students could get into Bachelor of Education Uni courses despite failing the HSC (45 or below).

Sadly for you, the smartest person in the room, but you are in the wrong room, quote is appropriate.

Menadue's Malarkey and Full Moon over Alabama are not sites that well-read and intelligent folk would often quote.

[Rocky Rhodes]

Ok, after some deep re-thinking...this may shock a few but I've decided that i want to change AUSTRALIA DAY.

Let's make it AUSTRALIA WEEK.....Jan 26 thru to Feb 1.

Put a shrimp on the barbie mate, just not on that woke movie mate.

Aussie Aussie Aussie. Oi Oi Oi...

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=King Salvo;n1037090]

Gees, Comrade Paddo, you consider yourself highly educated, but you are from an era where students could get into Bachelor of Education Uni courses despite failing the HSC (45 or below).

Wrong King I'm from the end of the Leaving Certificate era when just 10% of the student cohort stayed on after the Intermediate Exam (Year 10 nowadays). In that era, which my father and grandfather would have known but not participated in, English was compulsory and failure meant that one had failed the entire course. At my school there would always be a few who had returned to try again but many others left having failed.

I do recall that in more recent times ATARS in the 50s got people into some education courses so you're right - 50s ain't too flash but it's an indicator of how far conditions have slipped for educators and how far the school environment has changed. The brighter graduates are no longer attracted to the profession because there are far more options than in the past and more lucrative ones at that. Society has changed also, the attention seeking miscreant and disruptor of yesteryear are still there but in larger numbers due to having far more licence.

[bondi.boy]

IMAGINE...being a teacher today!

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Just because you get a high ATAR doesn't mean you can study for the degree you want ... because affirmative action and quotas come into play.
Students with lower ATARS than you jump ahead of you, you possibly having to look elsewhere to study to become a doctor etc...NZ for example.