The Lefties Thread

[King Salvo]

It's very expensive. You can see the rip off if you consider the hourly rate. Most are $100p/h but that is now rising to a common $120 p/h. The tiler said work would take 3 days. They normally don't work 8 hrs but let's just say he did So 8 x120 x 2 (2 guys) = $1920 but the labourer offsider wouldn't get the same rate, he'd get maybe $45 p/h top. Rounded off, the correct charge on a very generous $2 per MINUTE (or $120 p/h is $6k but the actual charge was $8500. And that's cash so he's free of the 40% tax therefore taking home $11, 900 - very nice lolly for 3 days work. Dob 'em in to the ATO, they need to pay tax like the rest of us.

Possibly The Crab can explain how that is not a rip off.

You don't pay any tax on your generous tax payer funded superannuation /pension plan - probably only paid 15% tax ( salary sacrifice) on your pre tax contributions when working in your cushy chalkie role and tax free when you retired. - You benefit from that tax arrangement.

Self employed tradies have to fund their own retirement and don't rely on tax payers funding their retirement as you do - not required to pay the superannuation guarantee to themselves either but can make personal super contributions.

Tell us how much you contributed compared to what you are actually receiving each fortnight or as a lump sum if paid out that way.

You should donate to a charity the amount of tax you would have paid if your generous tax payer funded superannuation/pension plan payments were taxed.

100% you won't.

[Paddo Colt 61]

No fake tradies this time around?

When was it? (I think Obama's 'Joe the Plumber' was the first). We went through an era where members of conservative parties would pose as tradies, then barge in to ask questions of left-wing leaders that were always along the lines 'of do you believe in social welfare? Coz that sounds like communism!!!! I work bloody hard as a [trade] and you're gonna give my money to a bunch of bludgers?!?!? Sounds exactly like communism to me and there's no way me or any other average joe is gonna buy it'. They'd get a heap of coverage in conservative media until a less biased outlet did a bit of research and was like 'he's not a registered tradie, he lives in a mansion [so isn't a battler] and he's got a lifetime membership to the conservative party... surprise surprise'.

Kinda sad that such stunts have ended as they were sorta fun.

No they'll abound this time round. That's their target - Libs for the little man..but not for the not so little man. It's the classic German Nazi constituency.

[Rooster1908]

You don't pay any tax on your generous tax payer funded superannuation /pension plan - probably only paid 15% tax ( salary sacrifice) on your pre tax contributions when working in your cushy chalkie role and tax free when you retired. - You benefit from that tax arrangement.

Self employed tradies have to fund their own retirement and don't rely on tax payers funding their retirement as you do - not required to pay the superannuation guarantee to themselves either but can make personal super contributions.

Tell us how much you contributed compared to what you are actually receiving each fortnight or as a lump sum if paid out that way.

You should donate to a charity the amount of tax you would have paid if your generous tax payer funded superannuation/pension plan payments were taxed.

100% you won't.

Find it amazing that Pado and co bang on about how the labour government and the unions have done a great job givings us workers and tradies , some of the hardest working people better condition and pay but when it affects hip pockets he whingers like a teenage girl .Tradies worked for crap money for decades are now finally getting the money they deserve and able to get ahead and enjoy the better things in life like the so called smarter educated people out there .Uni may make you smarter but doesn't make you better .

[Paddo Colt 61]

You don't pay any tax on your generous tax payer funded superannuation /pension plan - probably only paid 15% tax ( salary sacrifice) on your pre tax contributions when working in your cushy chalkie role and tax free when you retired. - You benefit from that tax arrangement.

Self employed tradies have to fund their own retirement and don't rely on tax payers funding their retirement as you do - not required to pay the superannuation guarantee to themselves either but can make personal super contributions.

Tell us how much you contributed compared to what you are actually receiving each fortnight or as a lump sum if paid out that way.

You should donate to a charity the amount of tax you would have paid if your generous tax payer funded superannuation/pension plan payments were taxed.

100% you won't.

Super is universal, mine was nothing out of the ordinary in fact I have a very modest Super account. A tradie boss would match it in about 4 months. Much of it went into this mansion but I've never relied on Super. I got a healthy settlement on divorcing, much of the family treasure was the result of buying and selling which was against the grain because I believe that housing is a human right not a profit opportunity but when in Rome. Mr Johnny helped out there by gifting me a tax free return on the sale of the family homes - all profit! What a bonanza for those able to buy and flip property - the rich in other words. I found it distasteful being part of a problem but what is a mere teacher supposed to do?

The rate of resignation suggests that the Teaching profession is far from being a "cushy" job. Never was and never will be. Girls' High schools are easier but our legions of dopey attention seeking boys make for hard frustrating work. Private schools, of course, pass their behaviour problems onto the Public system and recent research suggests that the main sources of disruptive classroom behaviour are children with PTSD suffered in the home environment. High schools in poorer socio economic areas might have up to 30 of those damaged children. These unfortunates are the products of dysfunctional adults, habitual irresponsible whingers who mostly vote Tory ironically.

Instead of slagging off at educators you might ponder the contrast between greedy limited talent tradesmen bosses (again I exclude employed workers) and teachers like the brilliant Math teacher Eddie Woo who could be a highly paid executive/motivator but chooses instead to use his considerable talent to benefit others while earning a very modest Head of Department salary. Which is better value to society, Eddie Woo or the opportunistic, greedy, self serving yet shoddy contractor?

[Paddo Colt 61]

Find it amazing that Pado and co bang on about how the labour government and the unions have done a great job givings us workers and tradies , some of the hardest working people better condition and pay but when it affects hip pockets he whingers like a teenage girl .Tradies worked for crap money for decades are now finally getting the money they deserve and able to get ahead and enjoy the better things in life like the so called smarter educated people out there .Uni may make you smarter but doesn't make you better .

* It's "Labor" government. The secretary back in the day was a migrant American.

* Tradie bosses don't care about Government, they set their own prices and are totally unregulated. Evidence is that they are not friends of Labor. The Libs with their generous tax breaks for high income earners and GST cash opportunities are more to their liking.

* I'm talking about the endless ripping off and the lack of any sense of a social contract, not whinging.

[King Salvo]

Self Employed tradies are subject to the Superannuation Concessional Cap like anyone else in how much they can contribute into any super fund. - they don't receive the employer superannuation guarantee either which is currently 11.5%

The Superannuation Concessional Cap is currently $ 30,000 - unused Superannuation Concessional Cap amounts can be carried forward from the previous 5 years i.e if the super balance is less than 500k at June 30 of the previous financial year.

They also have to have various insurances - i.e income protection (if unable to work because of injury or illness) , business and public liability insurance etc

Some on here must think it's a yellow brick road made of gold in being a self employed tradie.

If there is no work they don't get paid.

[King Salvo]

Mmm, according to closet capitalist Paddo, people in the poorer socio-economic areas vote Liberal. Interesting as these are traditional Labor voting areas—are they finally waking up that cash is king?

Money, get away
Get a good job with more pay and you're okay
Money, it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash

[mightyrooster]

It's very expensive. You can see the rip off if you consider the hourly rate. Most are $100p/h but that is now rising to a common $120 p/h. The tiler said work would take 3 days. They normally don't work 8 hrs but let's just say he did So 8 x120 x 2 (2 guys) = $1920 but the labourer offsider wouldn't get the same rate, he'd get maybe $45 p/h top. Rounded off, the correct charge on a very generous $2 per MINUTE (or $120 p/h is $6k but the actual charge was $8500. And that's cash so he's free of the 40% - very nice lolly for 3 days work. Dob 'em in to the ATO, they need to pay tax like the rest of us.

Possibly The Crab can explain how that is not a rip off.

Yeah I get what you’re saying but most services aren’t cheap these days. I generally say good luck to the tradies as most of them work hard, work early hours and have to give it up earlier than those in other industries like retail, white collar workers etc. But yeah, they do pretty well. Well they seem to from the perspective of the customer like me paying for their labour.

[Crab]

It's very expensive. You can see the rip off if you consider the hourly rate. Most are $100p/h but that is now rising to a common $120 p/h. The tiler said work would take 3 days. They normally don't work 8 hrs but let's just say he did So 8 x120 x 2 (2 guys) = $1920 but the labourer offsider wouldn't get the same rate, he'd get maybe $45 p/h top. Rounded off, the correct charge on a very generous $2 per MINUTE (or $120 p/h is $6k but the actual charge was $8500. And that's cash so he's free of the 40% - very nice lolly for 3 days work. Dob 'em in to the ATO, they need to pay tax like the rest of us.

Possibly The Crab can explain how that is not a rip off.

I'm not privy to all of the facts so I'm only guessing here . Was the tiler recommended to you ? Did you seek reviews on his work ? Were you happy with the job ? Were you held at gun point to accept the quote ? Or was the work even quoted on ? Did you say let me know the damage when you're finished and I'll pay you cash ?? In my experience the customer dictates the terms of payment and most want a discount for cash ! In short the customer has the right to request a quote and either accept it or not . The customer is entitled to a tax invoice and the ability to deny a business person who will not issue one. From experience some tradies will put a high quote on a job they don't want .. (either because of difficulty, bad conditions or even a difficult customer and fully expect to not get the job).You're an educated man and armed with the knowledge of 3 days work estimate for 2 men should have done the maths . I hope this helps you understand but really do not expect that it will .

[Crab]

Tradies do a great job crab. Some of us do really appreciate you.

Thanks MR you're one of the good ones :-)

[Paddo Colt 61]

I'm not privy to all of the facts so I'm only guessing here . Was the tiler recommended to you ? Did you seek reviews on his work ? Were you happy with the job ? Were you held at gun point to accept the quote ? Or was the work even quoted on ? Did you say let me know the damage when you're finished and I'll pay you cash ?? In my experience the customer dictates the terms of payment and most want a discount for cash ! In short the customer has the right to request a quote and either accept it or not . The customer is entitled to a tax invoice and the ability to deny a business person who will not issue one. From experience some tradies will put a high quote on a job they don't want .. (either because of difficulty, bad conditions or even a difficult customer and fully expect to not get the job).You're an educated man and armed with the knowledge of 3 days work estimate for 2 men should have done the maths . I hope this helps you understand but really do not expect that it will .

Thanks for that Mr. C. I've owner built in the 70s so I know the ropes. I had a problem with no internet so most were recommended. The cowboys from Tasker were usually the highest quotes.

Most tradesman I've dealt with down here are from the "Gong" and, for years "The. Highland Tax" has been well known. The joint is full of high income free spenders who are exploited due, partly, to the difficulty in finding labour and partly to ignorance.

[A Country Member]

A couple of things:

• The renovation revolution fuels the housing ‘market’ and inflates property prices by way of resale. Tradies are often better equipped for this trend as they can often do the work themselves or lean on their colleagues. Others not so much.
  Why can’t people just move/live in a house without changing it and feeding the machine? If it weren’t for fences, the grass would all look the same.

• Superannuation assets total 4.1 trillion! And who manages these funds on behalf of Australians?What do they do with such large sums other than swallow them up with large fees to pay their exorbitant wages? Please tell.

[King Salvo]

According to "Capitalist," Paddo he is the only one who can make the lucre, and the tradies have to struggle through under his daft lefty Karl Marx utopia vision of the world of low pay and government regulation so he can get his mansion retreat built on the cheap and to a high standard.

The daft lefties are ruining the world as we all know it with their wokeism bollocks and claptrap that we all have to suffer through constantly—what other wokeism days will we have to be forced to "celebrate"?

People should look at their superannuation statements to find what fees are being charged—there are many options available. People should contribute as much as they can up to the maximum amount possible for personal super contributions when and where possible.

Pre-tax contributions are taxed at 15%—super is tax-free at 60. If you have investment properties you intend to keep, think of including them in your super fund—the benefits are concessional rates of tax on rental income during the accumulation phase and the tax-free rental income and capital gains on property sales where a fund has moved on to paying pensions at retirement.

Don't worry about what the daft lefties say, as they are doing the same—fake as commies/socialists; they are capitalists in reality and after every dollar they can make and sponge off taxpayers.

[ism22]

What a day for 'Murrica. Glad I'm Aussie...