The Coming Federal Election.

[A Country Member]

True Leftists believe in such things as regulated markets , welfare state . nationalisation of the economy , central planning/planned economies and state owned/controlled property i.e the state provides the apartments/houses for folk to live in etc plus are anti Globalisation , Free Market and Capitalism

The only thing the so called " lefties" on here would support would be the welfare state - i.e the Government/state's role in the economic and social well-being of it's citizens.- Social Security for instance

Can't see any of them supporting and or advocating for a return of any of the others or being Anti Globalisation , Free Market and Capitalist types either.

They are more closer to being Lib/Nat voters than they think

Interesting thoughts for someone who has worked their entire life in the public service.

You’ve never really branched out have you, Kling?

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Jacks Fur Coat;n1085100]

Hmm yes, it's interesting the way our optional preferential voting system works. Most people don't really understand the importance of preferences. They pretty much decide the closer ballots, like this one is shaping up to be.

Most people don't understand much about anything at all and are easily fooled. They are...dare I say...sheep.

[A Country Member]

Here is a bold election promise that has delivered.
Thought up by the incumbent Labor party in a last ditch effort to keep government. Thankfully the newly elected Liberal government agreed to the promise, and now six months in, we have solid data that it was an positive move that won public support and effectively ruling government.

Being a Queenslander, would Pote consider the same?

Personally, I’d prefer the abolition of toll roads.

[mightyrooster]

I love that clip RR posted a while back talking to an American about Trump. She waffled on about how good Trump is gonna be coz he’s gonna use tariffs and stuff like that to help you know. The interviewer asked her what a tariff was and how this would help. She looked stunned and eventually said something like….well I’m not so surrre really but they must be good coz Trump sad so right.

[Random Rooster]

I love that clip RR posted a while back talking to an American about Trump. She waffled on about how good Trump is gonna be coz he’s gonna use tariffs and stuff like that to help you know. The interviewer asked her what a tariff was and how this would help. She looked stunned and eventually said something like….well I’m not so surrre really but they must be good coz Trump sad so right.

Yep well i guess a lot of people feel the same way when their favourite pollie promises to do something. As treasurer Paul Keatings increased funding of private schools did nothing to take the pressure off the public system like he claimed it would......but i'd never admit that because it must be good because Keating said so!!!

[Crab]

I love that clip RR posted a while back talking to an American about Trump. She waffled on about how good Trump is gonna be coz he’s gonna use tariffs and stuff like that to help you know. The interviewer asked her what a tariff was and how this would help. She looked stunned and eventually said something like….well I’m not so surrre really but they must be good coz Trump sad so right.

But she's a woman right ? And don't they not vote Trump ? In a democracy everyone's vote/opinion matters . It's not an IQ test an election . I think the Libs will win in a landslide for what it's worth ....

[King Salvo]

Yeah exactly. Which is why it’s annoying when the leftie label is used as a means of winning a debate or derailing a discussion. Globalisation and free markets are very important indeed, In fact one could argue Trump is a leftie with his short sighted tariff policy but I know that’s being ridiculous.

Of course, you have hit the nail on the head as Labor is not very different to the Libs/Nats nowadays since they embraced capitalism back in the day, which is why you have the Greens who still cling on to a lot of that Commo/Socialist ideology.

Long gone are the days of the Commo/Socialist ideology that worker union movements and associated political parties were based on, as these didn't work in western free capitalist democracies even before the collapse of the Soviet Union. I.E - regulated markets, nationalization of the economy, central planning/planned economies and, state-owned/controlled property, for instance.

The Capitalism Bug Bites Hawke and Keating

Under Hawke and Keating we saw Tariffs abolished, the Dollar Floated and the introduction of prices and income accords that not many trade unions liked and were all seen as neoliberalism and contrary to Labor's Commo/Socialist Ideology.

This also paved the way for privatisation, outsourcing and corporatisation under the Hilmer Committee established by Keating, whose goal was to expand the reach of “competitive markets” into more sectors of Australia’s economy and society. All recommendations were endorsed by Keating. Competitive neutrality was an often mentioned term back then.

The Keating fire sale of public assets such as Qantas and the Commonwealth Bank was also not liked by the rusted-on Labor-Commo/Socialist types either- who remembers the Pilots strike when Hawke sided with the Airlines, a so-called rusted on workers' rights person.

Of course, if the Libs/Nats did this, some folk on here would be spitting chips.

[mightyrooster]

Yep well i guess a lot of people feel the same way when their favourite pollie promises to do something. As treasurer Paul Keatings increased funding of private schools did nothing to take the pressure off the public system like he claimed it would......but i'd never admit that because it must be good because Keating said so!!!

Haha..true. As for Keating….

[mightyrooster]

But she's a woman right ? And don't they not vote Trump ? In a democracy everyone's vote/opinion matters . It's not an IQ test an election . I think the Libs will win in a landslide for what it's worth ....

Yes good point. But I wasn’t really having a go at her IQ. More her lack of research or simply that she couldn’t be bothered knowing what policies she was voting for. Whether they will actually affect her or her family.

[mightyrooster]

Of course, you have hit the nail on the head as Labor is not very different to the Libs/Nats nowadays since they embraced capitalism back in the day, which is why you have the Greens who still cling on to a lot of that Commo/Socialist ideology.

Long gone are the days of the Commo/Socialist ideology that worker union movements and associated political parties were based on, as these didn't work in western free capitalist democracies even before the collapse of the Soviet Union. I.E - regulated markets, nationalization of the economy, central planning/planned economies and, state-owned/controlled property, for instance.

The Capitalism Bug Bites Hawke and Keating

Under Hawke and Keating we saw Tariffs abolished, the Dollar Floated and the introduction of prices and income accords that not many trade unions liked and were all seen as neoliberalism and contrary to Labor's Commo/Socialist Ideology.

This also paved the way for privatisation, outsourcing and corporatisation under the Hilmer Committee established by Keating, whose goal was to expand the reach of “competitive markets” into more sectors of Australia’s economy and society. All recommendations were endorsed by Keating. Competitive neutrality was an often mentioned term back then.

The Keating fire sale of public assets such as Qantas and the Commonwealth Bank was also not liked by the rusted-on Labor-Commo/Socialist types either- who remembers the Pilots strike when Hawke sided with the Airlines, a so-called rusted on workers' rights person.

Of course, if the Libs/Nats did this, some folk on here would be spitting chips.

Yes. I remember all the hooha at the time about Hawke and Keating basically implementing Howard’s policies - what Howard wanted to do as treasurer under Fraser. And it was true, there was a big shift in thinking under the Hawke government.

[Bates]

Bring back Rudd.

[King Salvo]

Interesting thoughts for someone who has worked their entire life in the public service.

You’ve never really branched out have you, Kling?

I worked at McDonalds from 12 to 16 and had a Paper run back in the day from 10 to 16.

Our Father encouraged us to get jobs in the Public Sector as that is what he did after coming back from WW2 ( Served in North Africa / Lebanon-Syria / PNG and Borneo) - PMG and Telecom reaching Senior Linesperson Inspector - Out Mother was still receiving $2,950.00 per fortnight from his super until her passing - old scheme where 5/8's is paid to the surviving spouse until they pass.

Contrary to belief we do work and do important roles in the Public Service - Back in the day it was a job for life not so these days with restructure after restructure.

My Siblings and I careers - Only 1 sister and I are still working as the rest have retired - 6 brothers and 4 sisters and me

1 - Army Apprentice and tradie served 25 years including overseas - PNG Independence / Cummings Diesels/ Department of Defence as a mechanical marine engineer.
3 - PMG / Australia Post - All 3 became managers of various post offices
2 - Telecom/Telstra - Senior Technical Officer / Senior Finance officer
1 - Water Board Apprentice Plumber - later opened his own plumbing business employing 16 people - some on wages and most as sub contractors
3 - Nurses - State Hospitals - 1- ICU/2 in Maternity plus other Nursing roles throughout their careers
1- Public Transport Commission/State Rail/TAFE/ Department of Education

[mightyrooster]

Bring back Rudd.

.You mean Krudd don’t you?

[Crab]

Yes good point. But I wasn’t really having a go at her IQ. More her lack of research or simply that she couldn’t be bothered knowing what policies she was voting for. Whether they will actually affect her or her family.

No offence intended MR you're one of the good ones !

[mightyrooster]

I worked at McDonalds from 12 to 16 and had a Paper run back in the day from 10 to 16.

Our Father encouraged us to get jobs in the Public Sector as that is what he did after coming back from WW2 ( Served in North Africa / Lebanon-Syria / PNG and Borneo) - PMG and Telecom reaching Senior Linesperson Inspector - Out Mother was still receiving $2,950.00 per fortnight from his super until her passing - old scheme where 5/8's is paid to the surviving spouse until they pass.

Contrary to belief we do work and do important roles in the Public Service

My Siblings and I careers - Only 1 sister and I are still working - 6 brothers and 4 sisters and me

1 - Army Apprentice and tradie served 25 years including overseas - PNG Independence / Cummings Diesels/ Department of Defence as a mechanical marine engineer.
3 - PMG / Australia Post - All 3 became managers of various post offices
2 - Telecom/Telstra - Senior Technical Officer
1 - Water Board Apprentice Plumber - later opened his own plumbing business employing 16 people - some on wages and most as sub contractors
3 - Nurses - State Hospitals - 1- ICU/2 in Maternity plus other Nursing roles throughout their careers
1- Public Transport Commission/State Rail/TAFE/ Department of Education

Exactly, the bagging of public servants is really annoying. They play an important role and those in the junior non executive ranks are no different to your average white or blue collar worker in the private sector.