The Coming Federal Election.

[mightyrooster]

It’s becoming boring Paddo. I would rather discuss the issues than all this repetitive name calling back and forward. I do remember Salvo was all for the Voice so that sort of goes against some of what he’s saying today. I don’t care how people vote and neither side is particularly exciting, but it’s a big no to Dutton from me. But mostly good discussion of the actual issues is better than what’s happening here now.

[King Salvo]

Lets debate some bread and butter issues then such as some of the following that people on here say are important.

* Cost of Living
^ Housing Affordability
* Employment and Wages
* Skills Shortages
* Migration and Immigration
* Tax Reform

[ism22]

IMO how it works is all pretty simple. The majority of us have in-built ideologies and have made up our minds. This is okay.

Somehow lobbyists then identify groups in seats that matter (so TBH not me - my seat's 100% safe Labor) who they can entice to change sides.

IDK. With the fact I'm in a safe Labor seat aside, my mind's been made up and there's only so many things I can bother debating. I personally don't wanna see Temu Trump get elected. That's my preference and it's not worth me losing sleep over the pros/cons.

I just hope that those who are sitting in swinging seats who are undecided will make their decision based on the big picture rather than getting angry about some nice issue. IMO one flaw with democracy is that it's a very small percentage of voters in niche areas of the country that will decide the big outcome. You hope they're not a bunch of crackpots who've gotten themselves all worked up about a niche issue that they don't even understand but old mate Rupert's told them to be scared of. You hope they're a bit better informed than that, but they're not always...

PS - dafuk's the watermelon party? I don't get the joke. Again... not something I really care about as it's a non-issue and possibly a 'joke' that I simply don't find funny.

[Rooster1908]

IMO how it works is all pretty simple. The majority of us have in-built ideologies and have made up our minds. This is okay.

Somehow lobbyists then identify groups in seats that matter (so TBH not me - my seat's 100% safe Labor) who they can entice to change sides.

IDK. With the fact I'm in a safe Labor seat aside, my mind's been made up and there's only so many things I can bother debating. I personally don't wanna see Temu Trump get elected. That's my preference and it's not worth me losing sleep over the pros/cons.

I just hope that those who are sitting in swinging seats who are undecided will make their decision based on the big picture rather than getting angry about some nice issue. IMO one flaw with democracy is that it's a very small percentage of voters in niche areas of the country that will decide the big outcome. You hope they're not a bunch of crackpots who've gotten themselves all worked up about a niche issue that they don't even understand but old mate Rupert's told them to be scared of. You hope they're a bit better informed than that, but they're not always...

PS - dafuk's the watermelon party? I don't get the joke. Again... not something I really care about as it's a non-issue and possibly a 'joke' that I simply don't find funny.

I reckon it's green on the outside .As in trees and environment, red on inside as in most are ex Labor supporters but I'm sure Pado will be straight on me to correct my Grammer or lack of knowledge on the subject .All the while calling Salvo arrogant and not acknowledging that flawed argument.

[mightyrooster]

Lets debate some bread and butter issues then such as some of the following that people on here say are important.

* Cost of Living
^ Housing Affordability
* Employment and Wages
* Skills Shortages
* Migration and Immigration
* Tax Reform

Excellent list Salvo.
1, 2 and 5 are the key ones which will determine the result of the election imo. In the marginal seats, especially in western Sydney people are hurting and angry.

[mightyrooster]

Also, similar to what ism said, it’s those marginal seats that matter and they are the ones with constituents that are hurting. In Sydney anyway. I’m not as familiar with marginal seats in the rest of Australia. I’m at a stage in my life where I’m fairly comfortable. The house is paid off, the kids are young adults. I get really annoyed that my groceries, insurance, health and energy bills keep going up but I can cope better these days because I don’t have a mortgage and kids school fees and orthodontics and outside school activities to pay for. I have greater capacity to cope before I reach a limit where I become desperately disillusioned. That’s not the case for many families in marginal seats, who are in the position I was in 5-10 years ago. I can’t see them voting Labor. It’s a matter of will they vote for Dutton or not?

It’s not about wokeness and populist cliches and catchphrases or ideology, it’s about those harsh economic realities.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Ultimately policy needs to be costed so that voters can consider the proposed changes if any but, just as importantly, the cost to them as taxpayers. Not knowing where cuts may fall until AFTER the election makes it almost impossible to assess any Lib proposal.

No worries, doing what's best for the majority is in their DNA. We know this from the Media. They're better managers and eminently more efficient, just look at the NBN which they delivered cheaper and better. Copper the premises gets ya Netflix and Sky, what else do ya need? Why Labor is now wasting money undoing the fine work and installing fibre to the premises is beyond me.

And look how they got us through Covid. They didn't panic with getting medical supplies cos they knew the whole thing was bullshit from the start. Like Greenie shit, it was part of the Leftie plot to destroy Capitalism. The Libs made sure that didn't happen, good managers that they are they created a trillion dollar debt and gave $40 billion the corporations to save our jobs. Fortunately for our admirable business community, there was no need to pay anything back. That is the kind of red tape cutting that doesn't "hinder progress" just ask Harvey Norman. On the other hand, they were onto those bludgers getting welfare. Robodebt got 'em by the balls. Wasting money on that lot meant less money for the truly deserving but fcukin' Albo stopped those tax cuts for the rich, again "hindering progress".

Anyway, they're just better. Haven't yez noticed that when in Government they do extraordinarily well, the media never has to be a watchdog and complain incessantly. On the other hand, when we elect progressives there's problems from day one and things just get worse and worse. It's happening now. Wake up Aussies.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Ultimately policy needs to be costed so that voters can consider the proposed changes if any but, just as importantly, the cost to them as taxpayers. Not knowing where cuts may fall until AFTER the election makes it almost impossible to assess any Lib proposal.

No worries, doing what's best for the majority is in their DNA. We know this from the Media. They're better managers and eminently more efficient, just look at the NBN which they delivered cheaper and better. Copper the premises gets ya Netflix and Sky, what else do ya need? Why Labor is now wasting money undoing the fine work and installing fibre to the premises is beyond me.

And look how they got us through Covid. They didn't panic with getting medical supplies cos they knew the whole thing was bullshit from the start. Like Greenie shit, it was part of the Leftie plot to destroy Capitalism. The Libs made sure that didn't happen, good managers that they are they created a trillion dollar debt and gave $40 billion the corporations to save our jobs. Fortunately for our admirable business community, there was no need to pay anything back. That is the kind of red tape cutting that doesn't "hinder progress" just ask Harvey Norman. On the other hand, they were onto those bludgers getting welfare. Robodebt got 'em by the balls. Wasting money on that lot meant less money for the truly deserving but fcukin' Albo stopped those tax cuts for the rich, again "hindering progress".

Anyway, they're just better. Haven't yez noticed that when in Government they do extraordinarily well, the media never has to be a watchdog and complain incessantly. On the other hand, when we elect progressives there's problems from day one and things just get worse and worse. It's happening now. Wake up Aussies.

Some common sense here finally, thank you. Add this to the King calling out the uncomfortable truths you can see why TAB has the following odds:

Coalition $1.50
Hard Labour $2.50

Woke is dead. Keep up the good work guys.

[Random Rooster]

Some common sense here finally, thank you. Add this to the King calling out the uncomfortable truths you can see why TAB has the following odds:

Coalition $1.50
Hard Labour $2.50

Woke is dead. Keep up the good work guys.

Ummmm i think you may have missed the point of Paddos post.

Good to see you back old mate. My missus has been asking about ya!

Heres a simple question to start you off: Name one single fully costed, credible economic policy the Coalition has released

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Ummmm i think you may have missed the point of Paddos post.

Good to see you back old mate. My missus has been asking about ya!

Heres a simple question to start you off: Name one single fully costed, credible economic policy the Coalition has released

None that I'm aware of. Cripes the election hasn't even been called yet! Patience minion.

Your missus???
.

[A Country Member]

Peter Dutton worth $300m?!! From childcare centres? No.

Maybe from dodgy government contracts that he awarded when the home affairs minister to two bob Brisbane companies Paladin and Canstruct?

But even then, he wouldn’t be that greedy, or would he?

[Andrew Walker]

None that I'm aware of. Cripes the election hasn't even been called yet! Patience minion.

Your missus???
.

Jaxxx is getting excited It’s only a matter of time till the election is called. I think the date I read where they must go to the polls by is May 17

If it was me making the call I’d be calling the date as late as possible

[mightyrooster]

Jaxxx is getting excited It’s only a matter of time till the election is called. I think the date I read where they must go to the polls by is May 17

If it was me making the call I’d be calling the date as late as possible

Very very close to my birthday again. I think 2019 actually fell on my birthday from memory. I was so excited not.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Peter Dutton worth $300m?!! From childcare centres? No.

Maybe from dodgy government contracts that he awarded when the home affairs minister to two bob Brisbane companies Paladin and Canstruct?

But even then, he wouldn’t be that greedy, or would he?

Oh yeah he would Count. Comes from a family of small business folk. Dad went broke in the Whitlam years along with not a few others after the abolition of many tariffs. It was a good thing but it found out those who had become fat and comfortable on Protection for decades and who lacked the smarts to survive in the new economic environment. But hat's Capitalism and the old man wasn't much good at it evidently. Of course Dutts thinks his family deserves sympathy for the failure after years of being feather bedded and ripping off the consumer.

That's where Dutton's mission began apparently, with that ogre Whitlam - as if they would have voted progressive anyway. Small business (the petty bourgeois) is the classic Fascist constituency, thrifty but greedy, authoritarian and aspirational, the petit bourgeois struggles discontented through life. He is constantly wouda, coulda, shoulda and envious and resentful of unionised employees who might sometimes take home more money than him, the boss. You can see those scars and sense the misanthropy in Dutton.

Did he build the Childcare empire on the ashes of the "Fast Eddie" Groves collapse? That's a story in itself. The superior money managers' hero, Honest John, handed Groves a virtual monopoly - 70% control of Childcare in OZ and then poured in hundreds of millions in grants to demonstrate "private" enterprise's unique ability to do the job better and cheaper. The money duly disappeared into a network of companies and Eddy declared bankruptcy after not a long time. Childcare went into crisis. Never heard of that? That's strange.

Whatever, Dutton filling the void Eddie left looks iffy. Something like a Russian oligarchy situation and all on taxpayer coin.

[mightyrooster]

Peter Dutton worth $300m?!! From childcare centres? No.

Maybe from dodgy government contracts that he awarded when the home affairs minister to two bob Brisbane companies Paladin and Canstruct?

But even then, he wouldn’t be that greedy, or would he?

So glad he managed to save a deposit for a home by age 19 and he thinks this is still possible. I help my kids every way I can including free rent while still students. They have part time jobs while studying and there’s no way they can save a deposit for a house and they’re currently early 20s.