The Coming Federal Election.

[King Salvo]

Didn't say the Libs 08. Murdoch maybe, though he did tell a UK parliamentary committee that the exposure of his employee dirty tricks keeping the story of a murdered girl hot was the most shameful day of his life. Probably over that shame by now. Possibly elements of the Jewish lobby here are responsible. The lobby is very agitated and in denial re the barbarity in Israel. Best, however, to ask the "influencer" who exposed the evil affair.

Why does Murdoch and other msm have such influence on so many (you included)?

The Libs' natural constituency is about 15% of the electorate. To get that to 50% + they need to divide the community and they do that using fear. THINGS LIKE YOU CAN'T TRUST DOCTORS NOW ESPECIALLY MUZZIES, BLACK GANGS TERRORISE MELBOURNE etc. It's ubiquitous. The msm, owned by the rich, take an active role in that, a lead one really.

Like shoe size and height, Intelligence forms a Normal Curve and on that curve 50% are beneath the Mean (average intelligence) and a good chunk not much above it. These are mostly the people with whom fear resonates and for no good reason. I'll give you an example of the target audience. Back in the day when I was at North Sydney Boys' High, a fellow arrived in Industrial Arts who had been retrained after BHP quit Newcastle. He had a room locally and went home on weekends to Cardiff. One afternoon he was saying that if could get to Hornsby by 4pm he'd be home by 6. I asked if he no longer had the local room.
"Yeah, still got it" he said "but I'm not using it because ever since 9/11 my wife is afraid to leave the house".

Now that's pretty stupid. Can you imagine Osama blindfold and sticking pins into a world map.

"What is our next target Mohammed?"

" It is Cardiff effendi"

" Excellent, the UK is our enemy".

"No it's Cardiff in Newcastle Australia effendi!

I mean what a dope and what about hubby, how stupid was he? But not exceptional. Common really. There's two to start and the fear was palpable here, it was like we were America. I should know about that lot, I taught them for 50 years. Because they have little interest in any cerebral activity and little critical sense, they accept totally what is put to them by media and have actually become reliant on the bullshit as their reality. Einstein predicted that in time the rich would control all media and there would be nothing but propaganda. Looks like he was right, it's where we are now.

Gees pretty poor to make fun of someone who according to your unverified "story" may have been suffering from agoraphobia which is a mental health condition.

Mrs Salvo has had to treat a number of patients with this condition over a number of years - Could be any event that can trigger this.

Your were a teacher for 50 years ? - I recall you saying you were a history teacher - you must have struggled then teaching the curriculum and having to teach the facts about history and not your fictional/tin foil hat conspiracy theories version.

That means you were in the SSS fund I assume - money for old rope fund

[Rooster1908]

The Europeans thought they had a ironclad allie in the US- that isn't working out too well. Maybe we can become the 52nd US state after Canada becomes the 51st?

Better for Australia to stand on its own feet because Uncle Sam has some serious loyalty issues

And we are are Ally of the Europeans as well .Can you tell me how Australia could stand alone give our size , small population, and lack of defence force and budget?

[A Country Member]

Bluddy immigrncs

[Paddo Colt 61]

And we are are Ally of the Europeans as well .Can you tell me how Australia could stand alone give our size , small population, and lack of defence force and budget?

First, most Australians have a mightily skewed view of our prominence in the world. The truth is that we are barely on the radar and that's a good place to be when you're also thousands of kilometres from the rest of the world. The distances are vast and the closest to us don't have navies nor much else that would be required for invading an island continent. Why would anyone bother? Even the Japanese did not have Oz on their agenda and they were running hot at the time. We could exist in splendid isolation here, neutral and far away from any conflict.

We have no enemies apart from countries that the US regards as such but that is down to our sycophancy. China is not, and has not been for 6000 years, expansionist or even bellicose for that matter. The US, which has been at war for 90% of the time it has existed, rings it with military bases and when it responds by building its self defence, including forward defence, the US/Libs/our right wing media scream - "What's all this? They're building a massive war machine. Heaven help us".

NZ seems comfortable without a huge Defence budget. It flicked ANZUS long ago over nuclear weapons. Its token military is mainly for peace keeping operations these days. How come they're not so frightened?

Of course the fear factor is indispensable for our ruling class and fear of "invasion" has been utilised here since the get go. Progressive parties are wedged on it and so they reluctantly conform, but as you'd know the Libs often accuse them of cutting the Defence budget and being weak on Defence. The Libs and the RW media have managed to sanctify Anzus even though it is the most egregiously weak treaty, guaranteeing nothing. Again the problem is a fearful and ignorant section of the population who know nothing about it but are persuaded or think it is some sort of iron clad safeguard. Tell 'em they're dreamin'.

[Rooster1908]

First, most Australians have a mightily skewed view of our prominence in the world. The truth is that we are barely on the radar and that's a good place to be when you're also thousands of kilometres from the rest of the world. The distances are vast and the closest to us don't have navies nor much else that would be required for invading an island continent. Why would anyone bother? Even the Japanese did not have Oz on their agenda and they were running hot at the time. We could exist in splendid isolation here, neutral and far away from any conflict.

We have no enemies apart from countries that the US regards as such but that is down to our sycophancy. China is not, and has not been for 6000 years, expansionist or even bellicose for that matter. The US, which has been at war for 90% of the time it has existed, rings it with military bases and when it responds by building its self defence, including forward defence, the US/Libs/our right wing media scream - "What's all this? They're building a massive war machine. Heaven help us".

NZ seems comfortable without a huge Defence budget. It flicked ANZUS long ago over nuclear weapons. Its token military is mainly for peace keeping operations these days. How come they're not so frightened?

Of course the fear factor is indispensable for our ruling class and fear of "invasion" has been utilised here since the get go. Progressive parties are wedged on it and so they reluctantly conform, but as you'd know the Libs often accuse them of cutting the Defence budget and being weak on Defence. The Libs and the RW media have managed to sanctify Anzus even though it is the most egregiously weak treaty, guaranteeing nothing. Again the problem is a fearful and ignorant section of the population who know nothing about it but are persuaded or think it is some sort of iron clad safeguard. Tell 'em they're dreamin'.

While I do agree with a fair bit of your statements the fact that we are a long way away means nothing in today's world .Missiles can travel a lot further now as can bombers ect and we have no defence against that but hopefully never happens .Our size and rich resources makes us a target if a super power decided they wanted it we again have no defence
You are so correct to call us a minor player and that in itself is the reason we do need allies .Simply burying our head in the sand like NZ seems to do may work for now but not as a sensible solution.I agree that the yanks are not the friends they make themselves out to be in many ways but they are 100% better than the alternative

[Paddo Colt 61]

You haven't thought about it long enough yet. Who are suggesting is a threat? All small countries are not "targets" and far cheaper to buy/trade our (or Multinationals' ) resources than it is to invade a Continent.

Bombers and missiles? Whose? Anything that ever came our way would be aimed at our best mate's resources here. Malcolm Fraser warned about it but the modern Libs/and Murdoch can't give up what is a very effective frightner.

[Rooster1908]

You haven't thought about it long enough yet. Who are suggesting is a threat? All small countries are not "targets" and far cheaper to buy/trade our (or Multinationals' ) resources than it is to invade a Continent.

Bombers and missiles? Whose? Anything that ever came our way would be aimed at our best mate's resources here. Malcolm Fraser warned about it but the modern Libs/and Murdoch can't give up what is a very effective frightner.

I'm not suggesting anyone is a threat .I'm suggesting and I think you realistically know it that we need as do all nations have a plan for the future to protect ourselves against any threats that may arise .Same reason you probably installed security camera in your new digs .Same reason you have security on your computer and banking .To protect yourself against unknown and unwanted threats .

[Random Rooster]

Simply burying our head in the sand like NZ seems to do may work for now but not as a sensible solution.I agree that the yanks are not the friends they make themselves out to be in many ways but they are 100% better than the alternative

Id agree with you if the US can be trusted- but they no longer can be. They are hanging out the Ukrainians to dry. Having dialogue with Putin without Ukraine involved is bad enough, but also without any of the European countries is diabolical. Making public concessions that Ukraine cannot join NATO and Russia can keep the land they have invaded and currently hold is totally reckless. Wheres the public concession about what Russia is giving up?

To add to that they talk of seizing Greenland and the Panama Canal- totally disregarding allies Denmark and Panama. The icing on the cake is doubling down about making Canada the 51st state, saying they cannot exist without their military and financial backing. This is the country we should trust as a allie to defend us???

The "America First" policy didn't come with a * that stated that Australia is exempt for the policy. Its a wake up call for all of the US "allies" to stand on their own feet.

[Rooster1908]

Id agree with you if the US can be trusted- but they no longer can be. They are hanging out the Ukrainians to dry. Having dialogue with Putin without Ukraine involved is bad enough, but also without any of the European countries is diabolical. Making public concessions that Ukraine cannot join NATO and Russia can keep the land they have invaded and currently hold is totally reckless. Wheres the public concession about what Russia is giving up?

To add to that they talk of seizing Greenland and the Panama Canal- totally disregarding allies Denmark and Panama. The icing on the cake is doubling down about making Canada the 51st state, saying they cannot exist without their military and financial backing. This is the country we should trust as a allie to defend us???

The "America First" policy didn't come with a * that stated that Australia is exempt for the policy. Its a wake up call for all of the US "allies" to stand on their own feet.

The trouble is you are just saying that I am wrong and I may well be but you are doing it without providing a alternative.

[mightyrooster]

The US to me, is like the popular Year 9-10 school bully. He’s cool, has charisma, good at sports, and is very popular. When he bullies the uncool nerdy types the cool wannabes rally around him. It’s better to have him as an ally than an enemy just in case you upset him and because he’s cool. Ir’s a very simple analogy and I’m looking forward to the constructive criticism coming my way.

[Random Rooster]

The trouble is you are just saying that I am wrong and I may well be but you are doing it without providing a alternative.

Im saying you are right when America was acting like a country should towards its allies.....but they no longer do. As they have showed over the past month, they will actually take advantage of any vulnerability you have. Thats no friend or allie

My alternative is to strengthen our relationship with our neighbours even further, especially China which is by far our biggest trade partner. They can hurt Australia economically as we saw the last time we started yapping at their heels at the request of the USA regarding the Covid origins. They slapped on sanctions and barred buying our barley, beef, cotton, lamb, lobsters, timber and wine. In the case of barley, not only did they leave our farmers in the cold but in order to show how quickly the US would sell us out, they purchased the barley from the Americans instead, who were only quite happy to supply them

Im pretty sure NZ hasn't got their heads in the sand re national defence. They are just being realistic and dont give anyone a reason to act with aggression towards them

[Paddo Colt 61]

Well said Randy. In reality most people are too apathetic to care much. Certainly not to extent that they would think of researching anything that the warmongers say. Besides that they're conditioned to an Asian prejudice which borders on racism.

[Andrew Walker]

Im saying you are right when America was acting like a country should towards its allies.....but they no longer do. As they have showed over the past month, they will actually take advantage of any vulnerability you have. Thats no friend or allie

My alternative is to strengthen our relationship with our neighbours even further, especially China which is by far our biggest trade partner. They can hurt Australia economically as we saw the last time we started yapping at their heels at the request of the USA regarding the Covid origins. They slapped on sanctions and barred buying our barley, beef, cotton, lamb, lobsters, timber and wine. In the case of barley, not only did they leave our farmers in the cold but in order to show how quickly the US would sell us out, they purchased the barley from the Americans instead, who were only quite happy to supply them

Im pretty sure NZ hasn't got their heads in the sand re national defence. They are just being realistic and dont give anyone a reason to act with aggression towards them

Great response

[mightyrooster]

Im saying you are right when America was acting like a country should towards its allies.....but they no longer do. As they have showed over the past month, they will actually take advantage of any vulnerability you have. Thats no friend or allie

My alternative is to strengthen our relationship with our neighbours even further, especially China which is by far our biggest trade partner. They can hurt Australia economically as we saw the last time we started yapping at their heels at the request of the USA regarding the Covid origins. They slapped on sanctions and barred buying our barley, beef, cotton, lamb, lobsters, timber and wine. In the case of barley, not only did they leave our farmers in the cold but in order to show how quickly the US would sell us out, they purchased the barley from the Americans instead, who were only quite happy to supply them

Im pretty sure NZ hasn't got their heads in the sand re national defence. They are just being realistic and dont give anyone a reason to act with aggression towards them

Agree Random.

[Rooster1908]

Im saying you are right when America was acting like a country should towards its allies.....but they no longer do. As they have showed over the past month, they will actually take advantage of any vulnerability you have. Thats no friend or allie

My alternative is to strengthen our relationship with our neighbours even further, especially China which is by far our biggest trade partner. They can hurt Australia economically as we saw the last time we started yapping at their heels at the request of the USA regarding the Covid origins. They slapped on sanctions and barred buying our barley, beef, cotton, lamb, lobsters, timber and wine. In the case of barley, not only did they leave our farmers in the cold but in order to show how quickly the US would sell us out, they purchased the barley from the Americans instead, who were only quite happy to supply them

Im pretty sure NZ hasn't got their heads in the sand re national defence. They are just being realistic and dont give anyone a reason to act with aggression towards them

As for trade we should be diversifying who we sell to .It has been shown as you say that China will cut us if and US will throw us to the wolves .Small eggs in lots of baskets is the go in all business