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    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...705-21k2o.html

    This week we enjoyed a glimpse of a largely invisible and previously poorly understood part of the universe. No, not the Higgs boson. The LIBOR. As physics geeks popped champagne, finance geeks were discovering the secrets of this seemingly obscure financial indicator which, as it turns out, gives mass to the entire financial universe.

    Its manipulation by traders at Britain's third-biggest bank, Barclays, has triggered one of the biggest banking scandals in history, engulfing the Bank of England and Whitehall. Investigations continue into other banks which now face possible legal suits from pension funds and other investors who say they have been dudded out of billions of pounds.

    So: what the heck is it?

    The LIBOR, or London Interbank Offered Rate, is the interest rate at which banks are willing to lend to one another. Calculated daily, it forms the basis of many hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of financial contracts, including home loans.

    The problem with the LIBOR is that it is not, as you might expect, an average of what banks actually pay, but an average of what major banks estimate they would have to pay at any given point in time (11am each day). These estimates are gathered from 16 of London's major banks and are inherently subjective, and open to manipulation.

    And get this. The people responsible for estimating their bank's interest rate sit in the same office as the traders who earn a living entering into contracts, the profitability of which hinge on movements in the LIBOR.

    Derivatives are a type of financial contract that allows traders to take a punt on future directions in interest rate movements. Even the smallest change can mean millions in loss or profit. And derivatives traders, as it turns out, are not shy folk when it comes to making money.

    A series of emails between Barclays derivatives traders and the bank's LIBOR submitters unearthed by the British Financial Services Authority - which, along with US authorities, issued Barclays with a record £290 million ($440 million) fine - makes for entertaining reading.

    ''If it [LIBOR rate] comes in unchanged, I'm a dead man,'' writes one external trader to a trader at Barclays. The Barclays trader responds that he will ''have a chat''. The Barclays LIBOR submission is later lowered. By return email, the external trader thanks the Barclays trader, adding: ''Dude. I owe you big time! Come over one day after work and I'm opening a bottle of Bollinger.''

    In another, a Barclays trader emails the LIBOR submitter asking for a low rate that day, adding ''coffees will be coming your way either way, just to say thank you for your help in the past few weeks''. To which the Barclays submitter responds: ''Done, for you big boy.'' These are the modern-day cowboys running our financial system.

    In a later phase of manipulation during 2007 and 2008, the authority found the Barclays LIBOR submitters had been instructed to set a lower rate to make the bank appear more credit-worthy.

    The bank's former chief executive, Bob Diamond, who quit this week, has released emails suggesting Bank of England officials asked for a lower rate due to concern from Whitehall.

    The scandal is a reminder that, for all the edifice, financial markets are run by humans employed specifically for their profit-maximising abilities - their greed.

    Prisons the world over are crammed full of the perpetrators of crimes motivated by scarcity. But recent experience and empirical studies have shown that higher-wealth individuals are more likely to commit crimes of greed.

    In a paper this year titled Higher Social Class Predicts Increased Unethical Behaviour, psychologists from the University of California, Berkeley, outlined the results of seven different tests showing a link between higher social class (wealth, occupational prestige and education) and tendencies to lie, cheat and endorse unethical behaviour. In one test, the researchers observed cars stopping at four-way intersections (an odd arrangement that doesn't exist in Australia, but consists of four stop signs and requires drivers to stop and then give way to the right).

    All up, 12 per cent of drivers cut in front of other drivers. The proportion was significantly higher for cars deemed of a higher social class, such as Mercedes, BMWs, etc.

    In another study, participants in a laboratory experiment were rewarded with a jar of lollies and told they could share them with children in a nearby lab. People of higher social class took more lollies from the jar before handing it over to the children - literally stealing candy from a baby.

    Upper-class individuals have fewer interactions with others in their daily jobs, are more likely to have the resources to deal with financial penalties, express a more positive attitude towards greed, and, tellingly, are more likely to have studied economics. ''The pursuit of self-interest is a more fundamental motive among society's elite, and the increased want associated with greater wealth and status can promote wrong-doing.''

    A glimpse into the financial universe's dark heart.
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    This is why the beloved "financial market" needs to burn, it is corrupt to it's core! It is a money laundering scheme, nothing more, let it collapse, let it all burn. Fark the rich.

    Chook.

  • #2
    These arseholes answer to nobody & manipulate the markets for the benefit of the 1%..

    Junk bond trading is what caused the last GFC..

    BTW this is what they think Higgs Boson looks like..

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    • #3
      Part of me hopes it's not the Higgs. That would mean we have to completely re-think what we thought we knew about matter.

      But from all I've read it's 99% certain it's the Higgs. And even that opens up a whole new realm of particle physics. It's like porn for nerds.

      Chook.

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      • #4
        As long as there is money, there will be corrupt individuals to manipulate it.

        Off topic slightly, I've met Nick Leeson (and the guy who played him in Rogue Trader, Ewan McGregor) and he looks and sounds very uninteresting.

        Pure moral corruption is boring.

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        • #5
          It should be legal for any tax paying citizen world wide,to walk up to people like Nick Leeson & punch them straight in the mouth..Repeatedly..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chook View Post
            Part of me hopes it's not the Higgs. That would mean we have to completely re-think what we thought we knew about matter.

            But from all I've read it's 99% certain it's the Higgs. And even that opens up a whole new realm of particle physics. It's like porn for nerds.

            Chook.
            Yep mate..

            It'd be waaay more fun if it is an entirely new sub atomic particle..

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            • #7
              that mob of crooks probably vote conservative too, lovers of both the teaparty and republicans in the usa and honest taliban tony abbott in australia, gina might5 be on speed dial, or big clive?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by John View Post
                As long as there is money, there will be corrupt individuals to manipulate it.
                It's not individuals mate, it's institutionalised.

                http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226428707474

                THE chief compliance officer of Britain's HSBC is stepping down after an investigation found that lax controls at the international bank allowed Mexican drug cartels to launder billions of dollars through its US operation and other illicit transactions.

                But David Bagley, the head of compliance for London-based HSBC Holdings, told a Senate investigations panel that he will remain at HSBC.

                Mr Bagley and other current and former executives of the bank apologised for lapses but said they weren't fully aware of illicit transactions flowing through the bank.

                ``I recognise that there have been some significant areas of failure,'' Mr Bagley said.

                Senators expressed scepticism that they didn't know about problems that persisted for seven years.

                In its 330-page report, the Senate found the lender allowed affiliates in countries such as Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh to move billions of dollars in suspect funds into the United States without adequate controls.

                The report by the panel, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, found that US regulators knew the bank had a poor system to detect problems but failed to take action.

                Mr Bagley has been the head of compliance since 2002, during the period in which the Senate investigation found that HSBC's lack of oversight allowed the bank to be used by drug traffickers and possible financiers of terrorist groups, and for other illicit purposes around the globe.

                Mr Bagley said he lacked full authority over the bank's far-flung affiliates, which each had its own compliance officer. HSBC, with net income last year of $16.8 billion, operates in about 80 countries around the world.

                “HSBC has fallen short of our own expectations and the expectations of our regulators,” Mr Bagley testified.

                He said he had told HSBC senior management “that now is the appropriate time - for me and for the bank - for someone new to serve as the head of group compliance.”

                The executive who headed HSBC's Mexican affiliate in 2007 and 2008 said he tried to clean up deficiencies he found in the operation.

                “I believe that we made real progress at HSBC Mexico during my short tenure,” Paul Thurston told the panel. However, he added, “We know we should have done this better, sooner.”

                The executives said the bank has made deep changes to its policies and corporate culture to prevent illicit use of the bank. London-based HSBC, which is Europe's largest bank, changed its senior management last year.

                Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat and the subcommittee's chairman, challenged Mr Thurston. “This is something that people knew was going on at that bank,” Mr Levin said. “Why did people allow it to continue?”

                Mr Thurston said the Mexican bank, which HSBC had acquired in 2002, had been a “fast-growth” bank that lacked controls against money laundering.

                Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, the panel's senior Republican, said he found it hard to believe that HSBC executives didn't know what was going on.

                The CEO of the US division of HSBC also apologised for weak oversight at the bank.

                Irene Dorner, president and CEO of HSBC Bank USA, said “we deeply regret and apologise” for the lapses by HSBC. Its US division is among the top 10 banks operating in the United States. It has assets of roughly $210 billion in its US operations.

                The changes the bank made “'will be embedded and sustained going forward,” Ms Dorner said. “We're burning the bridges to make sure no one can get back to the way it was before.”

                Stuart Levey, a former high-ranking Treasury Department official who joined HSBC in January as chief legal officer, said the bank in April put in new stricter oversight standards that apply to all its affiliates.

                Mr Levin said HSBC's new policies “are all good steps.” However, he said, while apologies are welcome, “accountability ... is essential as a deterrent and that accountability has been missing.”

                He cited instances in past years in which HSBC - after being sanctioned by regulators - had promised to fix deficiencies but didn't carry through.

                Mr Levin said HSBC needs to identify which of its affiliates pose a high risk of problems and put them under close monitoring. The bank should consider closing the account of its Mexican affiliate, he said.

                HSBC also should close its accounts with banks suspected of providing funding to terrorist groups, Mr Levin said.

                Some HSBC bank affiliates skirted US government bans against financial transactions with Iran and other countries, according to the subcommittee's report. And HSBC's US division provided money and banking services to some banks in Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh believed to have helped fund al-Qa'ida and other terrorist groups, the report said.

                The US Justice Department said it is conducting a criminal investigation into HSBC's operations but declined to confirm that the bank is in settlement talks.

                Its US division is among the top 10 banks operating in the United States. It has assets of roughly $210 billion in its U.S. operations.

                Money laundering takes profits from the trafficking of drugs, arms or other illicit activities and passes them through bank accounts to disguise the illegal activity.

                Mr Levin also blasted the federal agency supervising the bank's US operations, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency. He said the agency “tolerated” HSBC's weak controls against money laundering for years.

                Thomas Curry, who heads the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, also was to testify at Tuesday's hearing.

                Compliance with anti-money laundering laws “is crucial to our nation's efforts to combat criminal activity and terrorism,” Mr Curry said in a statement. He said the agency expects banks to have adequate programs in place to comply with the laws.
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                I've said it before and I'll say it again, the international money market is nothing but a money laundering scheme for drugs barons and dictators and the rich! An 'axis of evil' for want of a better phrase.

                Chook.

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                • #9
                  these are the arseholes who helped wreck my supperannuation! greedy caarnts!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stephenj View Post
                    that mob of crooks probably vote conservative too, lovers of both the teaparty and republicans in the usa and honest taliban tony abbott in australia, gina might5 be on speed dial, or big clive?
                    Nah the banksters are Socialists mate

                    That's why they get government/taxpayer bailouts

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                    • #11
                      i doubt that very much rcptn?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stephenj View Post
                        i doubt that very much rcptn?
                        Here is one for ya

                        Google
                        Jon Corzine
                        Goldman Sachs
                        Democrat
                        MF Global
                        Head of Obama's fund raising

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rcptn View Post
                          Here is one for ya

                          Google
                          Jon Corzine
                          Goldman SachsDemocrat
                          MF Global
                          Head of Obama's fund raising
                          Are you for real? Goldman Sachs is protected haven for morally corrupt, conservative voting jews whose aim is to control the entire financial market.

                          Socialists! You are an idiot.

                          Chook.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chook View Post
                            Are you for real? Goldman Sachs is protected haven for morally corrupt, conservative voting jews whose aim is to control the entire financial market.

                            Socialists! You are an idiot.

                            Chook.


                            So you agree with me about Jon Corzine then?

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Corzine

                            Jon Stevens Corzine (born January 1, 1947) is the former CEO of Goldman Sachs[2] and of MF Global, and a former American politician, who served as the 54th Governor of New Jersey from 2006 to 2010. A Democrat, Corzine served five years of a six-year U.S. Senate term representing New Jersey before being elected Governor in 2005. He was defeated for re-election in 2009 by Republican Chris Christie. In March 2010, Corzine was named chairman and CEO of MF Global Inc., a financial services firm specializing in futures brokerage. The company filed for bankruptcy protection in October 2011, and Corzine resigned on November 4, 2011.[3][4]

                            Corzine began his career in banking and finance. In the early and mid 1970s, he worked for Midwestern banks (Continental-Illinois National Bank in Chicago, Illinois and BancOhio National Bank in Columbus, Ohio) during and after his master of business administration (MBA) studies at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. In 1975 he moved to New Jersey to work for Goldman Sachs. He became Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs and the leading advocate in the firm's decision to go public. In 1999, having lost a power struggle with Henry M. Paulson, Corzine left the firm. After his departure from Goldman Sachs, he earned what has been estimated to be $400 million during the 1999 initial public offering of the company.[5]


                            Wow hang on he is a Democrat and former CEO of Goldman Sachs I wonder how that happened chook?

                            But there is more to this story

                            http://communities.washingtontimes.c...alist-bundler/

                            Jon Corzine is Obama's vulture capitalist bundler
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                            If Mitt Romney is a vulture capitalist, Jon Corzine is a rapacious predator. Photo: Associated Press
                            Friday, May 25, 2012 - Middle Class Guy by Peter Bella
                            Peter Bella

                            Ask me a question.

                            CHICAGO, May 25, 2012 — "Greedy," "vulture capitalists," and "predators" are terms used by President Obama, the Democrats, and their fellow travelers in Liberal Land. They use them to define private equity firms, Mitt Romney, and anyone else who is successful.

                            They are also used to define capitalists, financiers, energy producers, manufacturers, and wealthy people who do not give or raise big bucks for the president’s reelection campaign.

                            There are two capitalist Americas. One is filled with greedy opportunistic predators who refuse to be altruistic enough to redistribute their wealth to their fellow man, President Barack Obama. They are denounced for the subhuman scum that they are.

                            The second America is filled with billionaires and millionaires who are altruists. They give generously or bundle money for the president. They believe Obama needs a fair shot. They are the good guys.

                            They are billionaires like Jon Corzine, the Elmer Fuddish capitalist who presided over MF Global, the eighth largest bankruptcy in history. He also managed to lose track of a couple of billion dollars of investor money that just vanished into thin air.

                            The missing money belonged to clients, many of them small business people and middle-class investors. Their life savings and investments were wiped out. Those are supposed to be the good folks President Obama cares so much about.

                            Corzine is supposedly being investigated by several Obama Administration agencies. Like Fast and Furious and Solyndra, the investigations are going nowhere, except down dead end streets.

                            Corzine is a good capitalist. Corzine is an honorable man. His rapacious greed is as pure as the driven snow. Good capitalists who give and raise money for Team Obama are immune from criticism. Jon Corzine is a major bundler. Team Obama did return Corzine’ personal donations, but they are ecstatic to pocket donations he brings in from his billionaire friends.

                            If you donate to the president's campaign, you are by definition a good and savory person. No matter how many bad bets you make, no matter how many lives and livelihoods you destroy, it's all absolved by donations to the president, like medieval sins wiped away by the purchase of indulgences.

                            If you do not give to Obama you wallow in your capitalist sins. It's worse if you donate to his opposition. Not only are you scum, you are criminal scum that needs to be investigated, and exposed.

                            If you want to destroy jobs and lives and live high on others' money, it's okay if you do the right thing: Give a share to Obama and company.

                            This is the pure hypocrisy of the Obama propaganda team. They disparage Mitt Romney's record, while one of their top bundlers is worse than a jackal.

                            If Romney’s record at a private equity firm is fair game, then Corzine and all the other Wall Streeters "vampires" and billionaires who donate to Obama should be fair game.

                            It is time to do to Obama and his supporters what Team Obama is doing to Romney and his supporters: Expose them and all their dirty laundry. It isn't just fair (and isn’t "fair" Obama’s favorite word?), it's imperative.

                            Only a crepuscular cretin would believe Corzine does not know how billions of dollars that he managed vanished, or where they vanished to.

                            Only Mensa moron would believe MF Global was a simple victim of market circumstance.

                            Corzine made bad casino bets then, like a degenerate gambler, doubled and tripled down, betting good money after bad. MF Global used supposedly untouchable client money to cover Corzine's bad bets.

                            Corzine is not a vulture capitalist. He is a rapacious predator. Yet Team Obama will not drop him. They will not condemn him. There are still no cries for his head, no denunciation of him as a vampire. He is not the face of economic ruination.

                            He is Jon Corzine, friend of Barack, a good and honorable man.

                            If Romney’s business acumen is fair game, then Corzine is the fairest game of all. Indulgences were a bad idea that enriched popes but corrupted the Catholic church. They're an even worse idea in our political system, a corruption that will destroy the body politic. For that reason Corzine and people like him should be relentlessly pursued, not feted at the White House.

                            If Americans were truly motivated by the urge to justice, Corzine would be hemmed in on every side by federal investigators. His home would be surrounded and occupied by drumming protesters. His life would be one of pure legal misery.

                            The beanie-clad boy wonder, Jay Carney, should suffer withering questioning by the White House Press Corps about Corzine. The president should be asked about him at every available opportunity. The WHPC should stop being lazy and slothful, as Carney claims the media are.

                            Vice President Joe Biden should … oh, never mind.

                            Obama's attacks on Romney's career at Bain Capital are in hypocritical bad taste as long as he keeps Corzine in his retinue. His continued association with Corzine should be an embarrasment, but you cannot shame a Democrat.

                            Three executives from Bain Capital, where Mitt Romney worked, donated money to the Obama campaign. The campaign has no intention of giving vulture capital money back. They have every intention of denigrating Bain Capital

                            That is the epitome of hypocrisy.

                            Even more to this story but that is enough for you too digest for now

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                            • #15
                              http://www.smh.com.au/world/guess-wh...720-22ffw.html

                              Republican Romney is up to his neck with the conservative capitalist corrupt crooks in the banking industry. Here they are organising fund raisers with the money they have ripped off from people and companies.

                              Why is it when you hear about banking corruption it's always conversatives that defend it? It's conservatives that don't want regulation on it? It's conservatives that are up to their morally corrupt necks in it?

                              Conservatism and corruption are long term bed fellows.

                              Chook.

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