Labour got pumped

[stephenj]

i think your not seeing reality if you think 6 years of abbott, hisown party will dump him before that without his minders and with his head and ego at full swing he will inevitable retrurn to the real tony, thats when embaressment will be felt by all australians not just the lnp, add to that hisfrustration of not getting his signature policies through the senate hes likely to make his captains call and go for a double dissolution, but not before 1 year in, that way he gets full ex pm entitlements for life!if he goes for a dd he will lose, the alp have learnt a lot from all this!

[stephenj]

rcpn, the fibre nbn to each home would have allowed log on to cable tv networks thus further reducing the profit of foxtel, his big earner, we all now know sites to watch non broadcasted games on saturday and monday, foxtel time! what might happen now in a hypothetical is the current nbn continues to roll out then its stated were too far along to stop it now but rupert is kind enough to buy a big portion of nbn co which will entail foxtel straight to all subscribers via the nbn, blanket coverage australia wide, reduced prices and bigger murdoch intrusion fox news everywhere!

[chook 56]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-1...ad-nbn/4947470



The Coalition frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull has refused to confirm speculation that former Telstra chief executive Ziggy Switkowski will be appointed to head the company responsible for the rollout of the National Broadband Network.

Mr Turnbull says any decision would have to be made by the Coalition cabinet.

“That decision would be taken by a cabinet and obviously if I’m the Communications Minister it would be on my recommendation," he said.

“It’s not the first time Ziggy’s name has been flagged. He is obviously highly qualified and most people would regard him as an eminently suitable person but no decision has been taken by a Coalition government because we haven’t been sworn in yet.”

However, speaking on ABC News Breakfast, Mr Turnbull expressed concerns about the operation and makeup of the NBN Co board.

“It is remarkable that there is no one on that board who has either run or built or managed a large telecommunications network. That is a singular deficiency," he said.

Mr Turnbull confirmed the Coalition will order a forensic audit into NBN Co to examine governance and policy.

“We have not ruled out a judicial inquiry. That is certainly a possibility,” he said.

The current chief executive of the NBN Co, Mike Quigley, announced his retirement in July and is expected to remain in the role until a successor is appointed.

The ABC contacted Mr Switkowski in relation to the speculation but he refused to comment.

[Guest]

Foxtel could have been delivered over the NBN at a much cheaper price as well as offering a much more tailored channel structure imho.

But why pay for things that are free online i.e. watching the NRL. Cable tv is dying in the states already as is the printed media.

[Kingbilly]

Thank god, now hopefully the labor party can rebuild itself with "labor" people.
We need both parties strong and Rudd, Gillard and friends are true labor people as much as Skippy the bush kangaroo was a turnip

[Kingbilly]

But why pay for things that are free online i.e. watching the NRL. Cable tv is dying in the states already as is the printed media.

Come on Kobber, the NRL and ARL have to get their billion dollars somehow.

[SConcierge]

pls dont presume you speak for everyone. I could never vote for a party that refuses to accept scientific research but instead does what is politically and economically expedient and claims to care about my grandkids future. Maybe i misunderstood maybe "my grandkids" is the nic they have for their bank account

just my opinion mate not speaking for you, from what I can see the carbon tax was a massive issue for ppl and from what I gage most ppl did not want it and they labour still want it. It is irrelevant if it is required or not the relavance is what the majority of ppl want and that is why we vote, to carry out ppls wishes not the parties!

[Guest]

just my opinion mate not speaking for you, from what I can see the carbon tax was a massive issue for ppl and from what I gage most ppl did not want it and they labour still want it. It is irrelevant if it is required or not the relavance is what the majority of ppl want and that is why we vote, to carry out ppls wishes not the parties!

So I can look forward to fibre NBN?

[SConcierge]

So I can look forward to fibre NBN?

I hope we get what we can afford not what we want!

[Guest]

true we should stick to dirt tracks and horses and carts and to hell with investing in the future

[SConcierge]

true we should stick to dirt tracks and horses and carts and to hell with investing in the future

You remind me of a mate who had the best place all the fancy stuff pretty much bought everything he wanted, but what he never considered was that its possible for the economic climate to change that GFC's do occur, that markets and ur financial situation can change in one night and now he lives at his mums place with his two kids.

The morale of the story my friend is that you need to build a rock solid foundation to stand on especially when it comes to credit because sometimes a breeze will come through and if your standing on sand u will fall over, just ask the greeks.

[Parkway_Drive]

You remind me of a mate who had the best place all the fancy stuff pretty much bought everything he wanted, but what he never considered was that its possible for the economic climate to change that GFC's do occur, that markets and ur financial situation can change in one night and now he lives at his mums place with his two kids.

The morale of the story my friend is that you need to build a rock solid foundation to stand on especially when it comes to credit because sometimes a breeze will come through and if your standing on sand u will fall over, just ask the greeks.

Valid points and yes we should not allow out debt to get out of control, but wasn't our economy only recently AAA rated and the level of government debt per capital quite low compared to most developed economies. Anyway the new government has to be careful with any austerity measures it plans to implement. If the measures are too severe you can also get a Greek style crisis, or to a lesser extent the UK predicament of the past 3-4 years.

However, the Coalition are committed to many spending exercises, including an increase to the overall defence budget from about a bit over 1% of our GDP to about 2% of GDP within the next 10 years. The copper wire system will need replacing in the next 10 years. It's going to cost a heck of a lot more in 10 years time than now.

Maybe the coalition govt now they are in has an alternative to their 20th century internet plan

The elephants in the room i guess is Telstra and Murdoch....maybe they want the contracts for the NBN? Wonder if they'd be interested?

We might end up behind the rest of the developed and developing world in telecommunications, technology, education and healthcare but at least we will have the latest warplanes and tanks and plenty of boats....just my opinion and I respect yours

[Guest]

You remind me of a mate who had the best place all the fancy stuff pretty much bought everything he wanted, but what he never considered was that its possible for the economic climate to change that GFC's do occur, that markets and ur financial situation can change in one night and now he lives at his mums place with his two kids.

The morale of the story my friend is that you need to build a rock solid foundation to stand on especially when it comes to credit because sometimes a breeze will come through and if your standing on sand u will fall over, just ask the greeks.

So I guess you would never take out a home or car loan...more power to you. As for a lot of us we can determine the difference between investing now for a future benefit. I'll give you 2 examples that were widely panned by conservatives at the time. The opera house and darling harbour. Not your typical investments by governments but how much has Sydney benefited from their existance due to the forward thinking of those who saw longterm benefit outweighing fear of sand As for things like education and the NBN it is no contest for anyone that wants Australia to be competitive in the 21st century unless you are tied to business that is outdated but helped in your election

[SConcierge]

So I guess you would never take out a home or car loan...more power to you. As for a lot of us we can determine the difference between investing now for a future benefit. I'll give you 2 examples that were widely panned by conservatives at the time. The opera house and darling harbour. Not your typical investments by governments but how much has Sydney benefited from their existance due to the forward thinking of those who saw longterm benefit outweighing fear of sand As for things like education and the NBN it is no contest for anyone that wants Australia to be competitive in the 21st century unless you are tied to business that is outdated but helped in your election

I did get a loan to buy a house but I waited until I had a safe well paid job, I waited till I had a very large deposit before I made the move. A few yrs later interest rates hit 15% it was tough BUT I managed because I made sure my foundation was rock solid and I could afford such a move and covered all bases. If I went in with a 5-10% deposit and based my finances on the current rate at the time I would have been stuffed!
I have never used credit to buy a personal use car and never will and the last time I used a credit card was about 15yrs ago. Its important to invest in the future but you also have to realise that you have to pay it back and ensure you can afford it and service the debt!

Are you aware that we borrow ALL of the money that we need to make our loan repayments on the decficit what does that tell you? You might also be aware exports are down imports up, you might also be aware that the minning cash cow is on the brink.

[Guest]

I did get a loan to buy a house but I waited until I had a safe well paid job, I waited till I had a very large deposit before I made the move. A few yrs later interest rates hit 15% it was tough BUT I managed because I made sure my foundation was rock solid and I could afford such a move and covered all bases. If I went in with a 5-10% deposit and based my finances on the current rate at the time I would have been stuffed!
I have never used credit to buy a personal use car and never will and the last time I used a credit card was about 15yrs ago. Its important to invest in the future but you also have to realise that you have to pay it back and ensure you can afford it and service the debt!

Are you aware that we borrow ALL of the money that we need to make our loan repayments on the decficit what does that tell you? You might also be aware exports are down imports up, you might also be aware that the minning cash cow is on the brink.

Are not interest rates at historical lows? is that not a good time to borrow to invest in australia? Are you aware that China is now perceived as not slowing as much as we were led to believe and both rio tinto and bhp ceo's claim iron ore demand by china still strong. Ive included some links for your edification coz if you only believe LIB/NAT talking points you will continue to hide under the bed with your cash saving for that car.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...08-705395.html
http://www.mining.com/mining-boom-be...oogle.co.th%2F

this discussion is not for now but after the finals in the off season GO EASTS