Copenhagen Treaty

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From what I have heard and read there is plenty of oil left it is just going to get harder and harder to extract therfore leading to decrease in our capacity to produce enough to keep up with demand. That is a problem and will naturally lead to a lower standard of living for everybody except those that have power.

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You obviously have failed to read or listen to any of the evidence I have already provided in this thread Chook.

You haven't provided any evidence rcptn, none!

All you've provided is a bunch of irrelevant and tenuious links in an attempt to justify your conspiracy theory claims.

You have failed to provide any evidence that Gore has set up a carbon trading company. You have failed to provide any evidence that the earth has cooled over the last decade. You have failed to provide any evidence that it's a scheme by the rich to rermain rich.

I stand by my original statement that you're full of crap and that you don't know half of what you think you know about this subject.

And you prove my point by claiming "Fossil fuels are still abundant as far as I know".

Ever heard of Peak Oil? It is the point at which we will produce as much oil as we can, once past that point oil reserves will irrevocably decline. we past that point years ago. You are being mislead if you are reading that we have "abundant oil left", much the same way that you are being mislead about what you're reading regarding AGW.

Chook.

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rcptn, I have to say you provide very compelling evidence that the global warming theory is easily debunked.
Having read the bulk of what you have posted I'm inclined to agree.
Although I was of that school of though prior to reading your posts.
One other concern that I have is the increase in cost of goods & services that will be imposed as a result of the Copenhagen conference, one reason that Rudd want to get his ETS bill through parliament proir to December.
There will be big increases in cost relating to manufacturing and transportation, that will increase inflation and put further upward pressure on interest rates. Something that will hurt many ordinary Aussies.

What compelling evidence? I must be reading a different thread, rcptn has provide nothing to support his claims.

Chook.

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I do pologise if I appear as being "hot under the collar" about this topic. I welcome debate on this subject as long as that debate is based on facts and evidence and NOT half arsed conspirasy theories.

What rcptn has tried to do in this thread is attribute to Gore a claim that cannot be justified or proven simply because it is untrue. He has then tried to make the spurious link that what Gore stands for is also a lie, basing that on the untruth. He's then tried to further enhance his claim by stating oil is abundant, linking two irrelevant topics.

You want a AGW debate rpctn, then I welcome it. But if you think I'm gunna sit here and give your ridiculous theories credence by debating them think again.

Chook.

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I do pologise if I appear as being "hot under the collar" about this topic. I welcome debate on this subject as long as that debate is based on facts and evidence and NOT half arsed conspirasy theories.

What rcptn has tried to do in this thread is attribute to Gore a claim that cannot be justified or proven simply because it is untrue. He has then tried to make the spurious link that what Gore stands for is also a lie, basing that on the untruth. He's then tried to further enhance his claim by stating oil is abundant, linking two irrelevant topics.

You want a AGW debate rpctn, then I welcome it. But if you think I'm gunna sit here and give your ridiculous theories credence by debating them think again.

Chook.
Piss off Chook get out of this thread mate

Your a leftwing nutjob that religiously craves a socialist communist dictatorship

The reason I have posted this stuff is in the hope that a few people may open there minds as to what is going on in this world

I'm not really here to convince anybody one way or another

Just to get them to think

something which you are incapable of

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I do pologise if I appear as being "hot under the collar" about this topic. I welcome debate on this subject as long as that debate is based on facts and evidence and NOT half arsed conspirasy theories.

What rcptn has tried to do in this thread is attribute to Gore a claim that cannot be justified or proven simply because it is untrue. He has then tried to make the spurious link that what Gore stands for is also a lie, basing that on the untruth. He's then tried to further enhance his claim by stating oil is abundant, linking two irrelevant topics.

You want a AGW debate rpctn, then I welcome it. But if you think I'm gunna sit here and give your ridiculous theories credence by debating them think again.

Chook.
Piss off Chook get out of this thread mate

Your a leftwing nutjob that religiously craves a socialist communist dictatorship

The reason I have posted this stuff is in the hope that a few people may open there minds as to what is going on in this world

I'm not really here to convince anybody one way or another

Just to get them to think

something which you are incapable of

No, what you want rcptn is for others fall for the same garbage ladened bullshit that you have fallen for. You think you've stumbled across some vast conspirasy and you post a bunch of irrelevant links in an attempt to justify that thinking.

"Your a leftwing nutjob that religiously craves a socialist communist dictatorship" And you're a retarded farkwit who cannot distinguish between fact/fiction or proper syntax, see I can play this game too.

You obviously don't want a debate so I'll let you bury your pointy little head in the sand. It's what conspirasy theorists do when confronted with contray points of fact that blow their little delusions up.

Happy digging!

Chook.

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No, what you want rcptn is for others fall for the same garbage ladened bullshit that you have fallen for. You think you've stumbled across some vast conspirasy and you post a bunch of irrelevant links in an attempt to justify that thinking.

"Your a leftwing nutjob that religiously craves a socialist communist dictatorship" And you're a retarded farkwit who cannot distinguish between fact/fiction or proper syntax, see I can play this game too.

You obviously don't want a debate so I'll let you bury your pointy little head in the sand. It's what conspirasy theorists do when confronted with contray points of fact that blow their little delusions up.

Happy digging!

Chook.

You are looking in the mirror and doing commentary on yourself

GOLD lmao

BTW you asked me questions

and didn't provide any facts in this thread

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BTW you asked me questions

and didn't provide any facts in this thread

No I haven't because there's no facts/evidence to refute. That's what you do in a debate, one side provides facts and they are counted by contray facts/evidence...you're not really clued up on this whole debating thing are you?

I asked you to provide evidence to debate, you didn't provide any so there's nothing to debate. When you feel you can provide any evidence to support your claims give me a PM and I'll take a look. Till then, happy digging.

Chook.

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Bankers not happy

Hmm I wonder why?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...018015,00.html


Hopes for carbon hub in jeopardy
Giles Parkinson | October 29, 2009
Article from: The Australian
AUSTRALIA'S ambitions to establish itself as an Asian carbon trading hub risk being dashed because of delays in the emissions trading scheme and the lack of engagement by Australian companies in international carbon markets.

This was the assessment of bankers, lawyers and investors yesterday at the second Carbon Markets Expo on the Gold Coast. The expo has experienced a sharp decline in delegates this year, with numbers down from 1200 in its inaugural year to 750, because of the lack of policy progress.

"As much as people talk about Australia creating a new carbon finance hub, I don't think it will happen," said Optim Legal's Cameron Kelly, a lawyer specialising in carbon markets and credits. "If the CPRS does not get up, we'll miss the boat."

Leading international investment banks such as JP Morgan, Merrill Lynch and Nomura, and other investors in the global carbon markets have bypassed the Gold Coast conference in favour of better attended conferences being held in the same week in Singapore and Korea, which are looking to establish their own emission trading schemes to enhance their appeal as carbon trading centres.

The international carbon market in 2008 was valued at $US126 billion ($139bn), but is forecast by analysts such as New Energy Finance to soar to $US1.9 trillion by 2020 as major emitters such as the US, Japan and even China create their own emissions trading schemes.

Australia's share of the current global market is less than 0.5 per cent, but Australian emitters are expected to become significant buyers of international carbon credits if and when the ETS is established.

Geoff Sinclair, a London-based Australian who heads the carbon market operations for South Africa's Standard Bank, says Singapore and Hong Kong are taking a more aggressive and proactive attitude to the carbon markets.

"If Australia wants to be a leader or a carbon financial hub, then it must get its act together and do something, such as pass the emissions trading scheme," he said.

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No I haven't because there's no facts/evidence to refute. That's what you do in a debate, one side provides facts and they are counted by contray facts/evidence...you're not really clued up on this whole debating thing are you?

I asked you to provide evidence to debate, you didn't provide any so there's nothing to debate. When you feel you can provide any evidence to support your claims give me a PM and I'll take a look. Till then, happy digging.

Chook.

Forums have handy tools mate

You couldn't help looking at the thread ay mate

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Interesting Climate Change Quiz from the Australian Climate Science Coalition

http://csccc.fcpp.org/question.php?csquestion_id=1


I got 8 out of 10

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Lord Christopher Monckton speaks with Alan Jones

http://podcasts.2gb.com/alanjones/al...ton261009b.mp3

World leading MIT Climatoligist Richard Lindzen speaks on Global Warming and Politics at an International Conference on Climate Change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS-cLp1PEGQ


Thanks Chook you have inspired me this morning to find even more stuff which support my views

[elo]

The Copenhagen Treaty will lead to the next World War which is probably why so many Nations are actually keen on signing it.

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The Copenhagen Treaty will lead to the next World War which is probably why so many Nations are actually keen on signing it.

Interesting

tell me more

[elo]

Interesting

tell me more

Lord Monckton said it all really.....it's much more than just some supposed global "attack" on climate change - it will create a communistic world government that will have the power to rob from the rich to give to the poor based on carbon emissions (ridiculous!) - how long do you seriously think that's going to last before it gets ugly? I give it 50 - 100 years before a Superpower snaps and causes a World War. (which it wouldn't surprised me is seen as an option to actually sign the damn Treaty by certain nations)