The Libs are gone!!!

[stephenj]

abbot has always been consistent in that regard, remember his illegitimate son?

[Guest]

so his figures were accurate?

My point is he just makes it up where he has no clue or anything to substantiate his claims.

So are the governments figures accurate?

[Guest]

The Libs are gone LOL 1


http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...28-953,00.html


Coalition surges to poll
Stefanie Balogh
February 14, 2010 11:00pm

SUPPORT for Kevin Rudd in his home state has crashed as Tony Abbott's new-look Coalition powers ahead of Labor for the first time since the 2007 federal election.

The latest Galaxy poll, conducted exclusively for The Courier-Mail, reveals the energetic new Opposition Leader is making inroads in the crucial battleground of Queensland.

The pivotal state delivered Mr Rudd victory two years ago but support for federal Labor has slipped three percentage points to 39 per cent, while the Coalition has stormed ahead six since November to 46 per cent.

It means the Prime Minister now faces a real contest in his own back yard, as more Queenslanders question whether he can deliver on his promises and whether he is too arrogant.

If preferences were allocated as per the last election, the Coalition would lead on 51 per cent to the ALP's 49 per cent.

"This represents a swing to the Coalition of five points since the last Galaxy poll in November and an improvement of around 1.4 per cent on their vote at the last federal election," Galaxy chief executive David Briggs said.

It is the first opinion poll since the 2007 election to put the Coalition in the lead and comes as both parties sharpen their attacks for an election expected later this year.

"Kevin Rudd is being attacked on two fronts in Queensland," Mr Briggs said.

"On the one hand he must combat the rising unpopularity of the Bligh Government and on the other he faces the resurgence of the federal Liberal Party under its new leader, Tony Abbott."

Sixty-eight per cent of voters believe Ms Bligh and state Labor will cost Mr Rudd support at the federal election. About half of those polled think Mr Rudd would make the better prime minister and two-thirds of Queenslanders believe he understands the state.

Less than half believe he is in touch with everyday issues and easy to understand.

But worrying for Mr Rudd is that 49 per cent of Queenslanders now believe he is "more talk than action" and 46 per cent think he is arrogant.

It means the Coalition's pre-election argument that Mr Rudd is failing to deliver on his promises such as hospital reform and homelessness are beginning to gain traction.



The Galaxy poll of 800 voters across the state was conducted last Wednesday and Thursday as Mr Abbott called on Environment Minister Peter Garrett to resign over the bungled home insulation program.

The Coalition faced its own troubles, with Opposition finance spokesman Barnaby Joyce coming under attack for a series of gaffes, but Mr Abbott ended the week ahead. Since taking over the Liberal leadership in December he has re-energised the Coalition.

The Galaxy poll also reveals a majority of Queenslanders, 54 per cent, are satisfied with Mr Rudd's performance in his job. But the same proportion of voters give Mr Abbott a tick in his new role.

"While the two leaders are neck and neck in terms of satisfaction, more voters are dissatisfied with the performance of Kevin Rudd, 41 per cent, than Tony Abbott, 34 per cent," Mr Briggs said.

Mr Abbott is 15 points behind his Labor counterpart as preferred prime minister but he has a stronger net approval rating: 20 per cent to Mr Rudd's 13 per cent.



In other results, the Greens suffered a drop in support from 12 per cent in November, when the emissions trading scheme and climate charge were high on the agenda, to just 9 per cent now

[Guest]

The Libs are gone LOL2



http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...t-at-top-poll/

Coalition ahead in WA with Abbott at top: poll
NICK BUTTERLY CANBERRA, The West Australian February 15, 2010, 2:35 am

Tony Abbott's leadership has given a major boost to the coalition's vote in WA and his opposition to the emissions trading scheme could prove a winner at the ballot box, new polling shows.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd faces a big headache selling his pollution reduction scheme to voters, with only 5 per cent of West Australians polled understanding how it would work, according to the latest Westpoll.

The jump in voter support for Mr Abbott comes as Mr Rudd conceded yesterday that the Government had not delivered everything it promised at the last election, particularly in reforming the hospital system.

The Westpoll shows the coalition has returned to a slight lead over the ALP in WA on a two-party preferred result of 51 per cent to 49 per cent.

In December, Westpoll had Labor in front 53-47 after the Liberal Party's leadership woes. However, the Liberal Party still faces losing at least three seats in the State at the next Federal election.

A redistribution of electoral boundaries means the party has to increase its vote from the 2007 election when it won 11 of the State's 15 Federal seats with 53.3 per cent of the two-party preferred vote.

The Liberal-held seats of Swan (now notionally a Labor seat with a 0.6 per cent margin), Cowan (1.2 per cent) and Stirling (1.2 per cent) would fall to Labor if 51-49 was the two- party result for the coalition at this year's election. The coalition needs at least 54 per cent of the two-party preferred vote to hold all its WA seats.

But Westpoll suggests the "Abbott factor" is playing well with WA voters, with the figures indicating a growing number of people are warming to the new leader - despite Government efforts to paint him as an ultra-conservative.

The female vote for Mr Abbott appears evenly split, with 27 per cent of WA women saying they were more likely to vote for the coalition with him as leader and 28 per cent of female respondents less likely.

The polling of 407 West Australians between February 8 and 10 was two weeks after Mr Abbott gave an interview to a glossy magazine saying virginity was a "gift". He also angered some this month after he suggested most ironing in Australian households was done by women.

Mr Abbott has been in campaign mode since taking the leadership from Malcolm Turnbull in December. He is expected to visit marginal seats in Perth today.

Worryingly for Mr Rudd, only 5 per cent of West Australians polled said they understood the Government's ETS "very well" and 20 per cent understood it "quite well". Forty-nine per cent of State voters said they didn't really understand the ETS and 25 per cent said they had absolutely no understanding.

The results suggest that approximately three out of four voters have no more than a minor understating of the trading scheme.

[Guest]

It was a pretty simple question Chook..

You appear to be the only person here that understands it..

Why not have a go at giving an answer..

Chook doesn't answer questions. He won't debate anything. He just tells you you're stupid or you don't know what you're talking about. He blindly follows the ETS. I think he might be a Labour polititian.

[Guest]

Chook doesn't answer questions. He won't debate anything. He just tells you you're stupid or you don't know what you're talking about. He blindly follows the ETS. I think he might be a Labour polititian.

Apparently Chook lives in Canberra so the odds are he is a politician or a public servant

[Guest]

Chook doesn't answer questions. He won't debate anything. He just tells you you're stupid or you don't know what you're talking about. He blindly follows the ETS. I think he might be a Labour polititian.

In your case I am 100% correct.

Chook.

[Guest]

In your case I am 100% correct.

Chook.

So am I...

[Guest]

So am I...

So we agree, you're stupid and you don't know what you're talking about.

For PTB, a cap and trade scheme works something like this.

1 - Government initially set a price on a tonne of carbon, or “permit”. Initially as the market will then determine the ongoing price.
2 - Government set a cap on how much business can pollute.
3 - Businesses who pollute over their cap will then buy permits for that much tonnage. Two things will happen, business will pass the costs onto consumers and improve how they operate to reduce their pollution or pay the market price.
4 - The governments rakes in millions as they get a cut of all transactions in the scheme and compensates those most affected from the passing on of the costs.
5 - Joe Public can get in on the market if they generate permits to sell by creating carbon sinks.

Putting a price on it is one of the best ways to go about reducing pollution because at the moment polluting is free.

Chook.

[Guest]

So we agree, you're stupid and you don't know what you're talking about.

Chook.

You seem to have a very intimate knowledge of what's going on.

[Guest]

You seem to have a very intimate knowledge of what's going on.

Not at all, I just read what you type and make a judgement.

Chook.

[Guest]

Not at all, I just read what you type and make a judgement.

Chook.

whatever..

[Guest]

whatever..

Case in point.

Chook.

[Pass the Ball]

For PTB, a cap and trade scheme works something like this.

1 - Government initially set a price on a tonne of carbon, or “permit”. Initially as the market will then determine the ongoing price.
2 - Government set a cap on how much business can pollute.
3 - Businesses who pollute over their cap will then buy permits for that much tonnage. Two things will happen, business will pass the costs onto consumers and improve how they operate to reduce their pollution or pay the market price.
4 - The governments rakes in millions as they get a cut of all transactions in the scheme and compensates those most affected from the passing on of the costs.
5 - Joe Public can get in on the market if they generate permits to sell by creating carbon sinks.

Putting a price on it is one of the best ways to go about reducing pollution because at the moment polluting is free.

Chook.

Thanks for your response Chook...

I need to give it some thought...

[Guest]

Thanks for your response Chook...

I need to give it some thought...

I suggest you also take a look at this as well PTB

Emissions 101