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  • Roman times with greater warming than today kinda blows the theory about increased CO2 causing global warming


    New technique shows Roman Warm Period Warmer than Present Day
    http://www.thegwpf.org/the-observato...esent-day.html
    Wednesday, 10 March 2010 23:39 Dr. David Whitehouse .A promising new technique to reconstruct past temperatures has been developed by scientists at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada and Durham University, England, using the shells of bivalve mollusks. Writing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science the scientists say that oxygen isotopes in their shells are a good proxy measurement of temperature and may provide the most detailed record yet of global climate change.

    Most measures of palaeoclimate, such as those from tree rings, provide data on only average annual temperatures, and then they are affected by many other factors such as the rainfall effect on tree ring width. William Patterson, lead author of the study, says that as mollusks grow the colder the water, the higher the proportion of the heavy oxygen isotope, oxygen-18 in the shells. Because shell growth depends upon seasonal temperature variations it is possible to see much finer changes than tree rings. Because they only live for between 2 – 9 years it has the potential to reveal fine temporal detail for specific periods.

    The study used 26 shells obtained from sediment cores taken from an Icelandic inlet. The shells were extracted along their growth axes and the carbonate powder analysed for stable oxygen isotopes using a mass spectrometer.

    Although the mollusks record water temperatures, not air temperatures. But the two are closely linked - especially close to the shore, where most people in Iceland lived.

    Figure 1. Click to enlarge.



    Oxygen isotope values for the two oldest bivalves in the study show a cold spell between 360 BC to 240 BC that has some of the coldest temperatures in the entire series of observations that stretch to about 1660 AD. Following this period it seems that temperatures increased rapidly such that temperatures from 230 BC are significantly higher. In fact a shell from 130 BC recorded the highest temperature in the entire 2,000-year dataset.

    Between 230 BC and 40 AD there was a period of exceptional warmth in Iceland that was coincident with the Roman Warm Period in Europe that ran from 200 BC to 400 AD. This Icelandic shell data series suggests that the RWP had higher temperatures that those recorded in modern times.

    By 410 AD there had been a return to cooler temperatures presaging the onset of a cold and wetter era called the Dark Ages Cold Period between 400 AD and 600 AD.

    The subsequent warming trend in Iceland took place from 600 AD to 760 AD about a century before prolonged warming began in Europe than in the subsequent centuries led to the Medieval Warm Period that was about as warm as the Roman one.

    Iceland was initially settled between 865 AD – 930 AD, and it is often assumed this happened when the climate was favorably warm for sea voyages and settlement. The reconstructed temperatures in this study suggest they were high just before Iceland’s initial settlement began but deteriorated shortly afterwards.

    The study's findings suggest that details of climate recorded in Icelandic sagas are reasonably accurate.

    In the 1000s the Icelandic “Book of Settlements” reports a famine so severe “men ate foxes and ravens” and “the old and helpless were killed and thrown over cliffs.” According to his shells, it was a difficult period with summer water temperatures peaking at only 5-6 degree C, down from as high as 7.5-9.5 degree C only 100 years earlier.

    The high time resolution possible because of the short lives of the clams enables intricate changes to be deduced. A warming trend occurred after 1120 AD however by 1320 AD the climate began cooling again recording record lows for the 2,000 year dataset. Such lows are also seen in Greenland ice cores. The cool period was prolonged. Western settlement in Greenland was abandoned by 1360 AD and by 1450 AD settlements in the east were abandoned as well.

    Isotope data from shells is clearly a highly promising technique with many advantages over paleoclimatic reconstruction using tree rings. The ability to monitor seasonal climatic extremes will be very valuable not only for climate but also to shed light on the rise and collapse of societies.

    Another crucial aspect of climate science that this research could be important for is the statistical extraction of human climatic "fingerprints" from climate models and real-world data. It is commonly said that one of the most important human fingerprints on the climate is the rapidity of the changes seen in global average temperatures seen in the past few decades. This new line of research has the potential to provide fine temporal resolution of past climatic changes possibly demonstrating similar changes to that seen currently which took place without todays putative anthropogenic forcing. It would be fascinating to see this approach used to produce a detailed timeline of the changes of the past two thousand years from many site worldwide, especially for the Roman and Medieval Warm Periods so that they could properly be compared to what is going on today.

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    • "I know politicians are going to be judged on everything they say, but sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark.

      "Which is one of the reasons why the statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared, scripted remarks."

      LOL

      ********

      Intelligent design... DISCUSS.

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      • Originally posted by rcptn View Post
        Roman times with greater warming than today kinda blows the theory about increased CO2 causing global warming
        http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/1...rature-record/

        And BOOM goes yet another bullshit post by the king of bullshit posts.

        Don't you tired of your posts blowing up in your face rcptn? I mean really, you have nothing!!

        Chook.

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        • Originally posted by Chook View Post
          http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/1...rature-record/

          And BOOM goes yet another bullshit post by the king of bullshit posts.

          Don't you tired of your posts blowing up in your face rcptn? I mean really, you have nothing!!

          Chook.
          OMG proof from the people who were caught fudging figures and manipulating temperature datasets you really are getting desperate chook

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          • Originally posted by rcptn View Post
            OMG proof from the people who were caught fudging figures and manipulating temperature datasets you really are getting desperate chook
            You have nothing.

            Chook.

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            • Chook, apparently it's ok to lie if it isn't written down anywhere.

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              • Thats the new slogan for tony abbott !!!!

                Vote Abbott: it's ok to lie if it isn't written down anywhere

                Delecto Oriens est odio Meridianus
                To love Easts is to hate Souffs

                Originally posted by Bill Shankley, Liverpool FC
                At a football club, there’s a holy trinity – the players, the manager and the supporters. Directors don’t come into it. They are only there to sign the cheques.
                Originally posted by Andy Raymond Commentating Souffs V Manly 18/04/09
                The fireworks at the Easter show are making more noise than the crowd tonight

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                • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                  Chook, apparently it's ok to lie if it isn't written down anywhere.
                  I've been using that excuse with the missus for years

                  Chook.

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                  • More bad news for rcptn

                    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/wh...0528-wis8.html

                    It just gets worse and worse for him.

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                    • Originally posted by Fairfax View Post
                      More bad news for rcptn

                      http://www.smh.com.au/environment/wh...0528-wis8.html

                      It just gets worse and worse for him.
                      Why is that bad for me?

                      start a new thread with that as it is not remotely related to this topic

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                      • apparently abbot and scott morisson were heckled at a meeting outside the detention centre today, abbot got the shits so they both jumped in their tazpayer funded limos and left asap! pussies!

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                        • Originally posted by stephenj View Post
                          apparently abbot and scott morisson were heckled at a meeting outside the detention centre today, abbot got the shits so they both jumped in their tazpayer funded limos and left asap! pussies!
                          What has that if true got to do with AGW science?

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                          • absolutely nothing except abbot is the one who backed the libs out of the agreement to support the ets in the senate and i detest both these guys, in fact ill be politicking very hard in the shire to beat morrison although the conservative old ladies will probably put him back in!

                            i felt like making a comment about these two inept tories!

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                            • Originally posted by rcptn View Post
                              What has that if true got to do with AGW science?
                              You know you've won the arguement when they start changing the topic.

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                              • and your point is tootsie?

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