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  • #76
    In an email to Andrew Revkin on August 24, 2007, Hansen states:

    The contrarians are cleverly mixing up these two matters, global and U.S., thus completely confusing the public discussion.

    But it was NASA, and indeed Hansen’s GISS, that emphasized U.S. temperatures all along. Not “contrarians.” NASA ranked individual years, then suddenly said the exercise was simply not worthwhile when the numbers contradicted it.

    Hansen’s discourses on this included telling Andrew Revkin on August 24, 2007:

    I think we want to avoid getting into more and more detail about ranking of individual years. As far as I can remember, we have always discouraged that as being somewhat nonsensical, other that (sic) the question of what is the warmest year.

    Hansen offered no such examples of that kind of discouragement, and indeed NASA had actively engaged in the practice — even though on that apparent priority, NASA’s numbers, claims, and rankings swung wildly.

    Hansen also told Revkin on August 23, 2007:

    As far as I know we do not make such a list. We don’t like such lists, because the results are not significant and are certain to differ from one group to another [meaning there is no agreement on temperatures claimed as known -- and down to a hundredth of a degree!]. It is generally the media that makes a list. We look for a new record high ["look for" is a bit of an understatement] but note that it is a virtual tie if the difference is small.

    Hansen’s memory is faulty. We have seen that substantial differences, such as that between 1934 and 1998 of up to 0.5 degrees Celsius, can subsequently, and rather magically, turn into a statistical tie of 0.02 degrees Celsius under NASA’s gentle ministrations.

    An August 10, 2007, email from Ruedy to NASA’s Leslie McCarthy, copying Hansen, pleaded for McCarthy to pitch that:

    The problem with rankings is that there are large clumps of years which are equal within the margin of error and rankings within these clumps are purely accidental.

    Hansen emailed Revkin on August 23, 2007:

    I believe we have clearly stated several times that the ranking [of years] does.

    Old habits die hard, however, and later in this email, Hansen emphasizes 2005 as “the warmest year.”

    Here is a selection of NASA press releases (links viewed on August 27, 2007):

    “2005 Warmest Year in a Century”

    “2006 was Earth’s Fifth Warmest Year”

    “Top Four Warmest Years Worldwide Since the 1890s”

    “The year 2003 is the third warmest year in the period of accurate instrumental data” (prominently mentions the two warmer years)

    “The 2002 meteorological year is the second warmest year in the period of accurate instrumental data”

    The efforts in August 2007 to reduce interest in NASA being caught making unsupportable claims about increasing U.S. temperatures were ad hoc tactics, used at the time because the U.S.-only and single-year measurements were the means in which Hansen and NASA were exposed as having sexed-up the temperature claims.

    The Times’ Revkin diplomatically deferred responsibility for this focus, which NASA shared with a passion bordering on obsession, by writing to Hansen on August 10, 2007:

    Given that quite a few folks (gore and some enviros particularly) have often used the US temp trends in arguments for action (string of record years) it’s hard for me to ignore the reanalysis of those annual temps — even though my own focus remains global temp. Essentially, should people always have paid less attention to US (48 state) trend as a meaningful signal of AGW? (now that all those earlier warm years intrude, it certainly makes the case that regional data can be a red herring).

    “Regional data” has, of course, long been a mainstay of alarmist reporting on climate even though computer models are well-known as being simply incapable of making regional climate projections vs. global, due to the presence of oceans and mountains. “Regional climate” is a way to find localized trends and claim they are meaningful to the global, when all they are is politically useful anecdotes (when they are or at least can be portrayed as of the right sort: warming, very dry/very wet, etc.). Note also the recognized inconvenience of being caught, and the “intrusion” of “all those earlier warm years.” Given that Revkin had in the past transcribed NASA claims of the sort he here attributes to Gore, this is possibly little more than a bit of kissing up to Hansen, with an invitation for him to help massage and redirect the embarrassment.

    Indeed — although Hansen essentially ducks Revkin’s question — Revkin dutifully transcribed Hansen’s line in a story in the New York Times downplaying “Hansen’s Y2k error.” In the article, as in his email responding to praise by Ruedy for the article, Revkin is almost apologetic for even writing it — a full two weeks after the story had broken — but the story had become too difficult for Revkin to ignore any longer.

    NASA scientist Ruedy, in a private email to Brazilian journalist Leticia Francisco Sorg on August 15, 2007, also reaffirms how the hypocrisy is so great that NASA is willing to claim that even thirty years is a “brief” period for purposes of observing things — if during those thirty years the warming that occurred is warming they can’t attribute to Man. Otherwise, no — thirty years is plenty of time to draw conclusions.

    End of Part Two

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Rocky Rhodes View Post
      If that is the case then why is your beloved libtard hero leader spending 3.2 billion to reduce greenhouse emissions? Spending 3.2 billion to achieve nothing? What next, another 3.2 billion to upgrade santa's toy factories in the north pole.

      If you are right, your libtard hero is an complete idiot. Turnball was a total believer in AGW as well.
      Turnbull is the Member for Goldman Sachs Bank. He is a plant. Thats what the Bankers do they plant former employees in very powerful positions all over the world. They are desperate to get us all trading carbon credits so they can make even more obscene profits than they already do.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by rcptn View Post
        Your easily confused man

        I believe in the figures but I'm starting to doubt those really show global warming given the evidence that is starting to come out.

        The strongest reason that I can give that significant man made global is not real is that the 3 global datasets used in all climate science were manipulated rendering it all useless because if you use dodgy data in your modelling then your conclusions are not relevant. I have provided information on this several times.

        Go Back Re Read and Learn if you want
        No. I'm not the one totally confused man, i know the difference between global warming evidence and AGW evidence.

        So, for the 3rd and last time can you give one strong reason why you believe AGW is false. I don't need a reason why you think Global warming is false.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by rcptn View Post
          Turnbull is the Member for Goldman Sachs Bank. He is a plant. Thats what the Bankers do they plant former employees in very powerful positions all over the world. They are desperate to get us all trading carbon credits so they can make even more obscene profits than they already do.
          All libtards are pot plants. Tell us something i don't know.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Rocky Rhodes View Post
            No. I'm not the one totally confused man, i know the difference between global warming evidence and AGW evidence.

            So, for the 3rd and last time can you give one strong reason why you believe AGW is false. I don't need a reason why you think Global warming is false.
            I have given you the reason twice and I'm not going to give it again

            Are you thick as brick or cannot read?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by rcptn View Post
              I have given you the reason twice and I'm not going to give it again

              Are you thick as brick or cannot read?
              My reading is not the problem here, your comprehending is.

              I don't need a reason why you think Global warming is false.
              What part of that don't you understand numbskull?

              I asked for one reason to support your anti-AGW view, you only provided a reason you doubt global warming.

              It is quite obvious you are totally clueless on the subject. It is just political with you. You don't believe it (AGW) because it doesn't support your rightoid libtard view. You know zero about the science behind it.

              Now go and post another article you right wing media puppet, it will make you feel better.
              Last edited by Rocky Rhodes; 02-20-2010, 03:27 PM.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Chook View Post
                They are and if you want proof check out the below load of paranoid conspiracy moronic bullshit.



                Chook.
                Serious question Chook.. You think Penny Wong is right? You think Bondi will be washed away?

                Theres the bullshit. Youve been severely had my frined. Absolutely shafted by left wing bullshit.

                Tiis thing wont fly and Auustralia wont suffer so that your mate Gore can make billions. **** the Left and their pseudo science religious zealotry left wing bullshit.

                AGW - Dead and ****ing buried.
                Alcohol never solved any life problems.....then again neither did milk.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Rocky Rhodes View Post
                  My reading is not the problem here, your comprehending is.



                  What part of that don't you understand numbskull?

                  I asked for one reason to support your anti-AGW view, you only provided a reason you doubt global warming.

                  It is quite obvious you are totally clueless on the subject. It is just political with you. You don't believe it (AGW) because it doesn't support your rightoid libtard view. You know zero about the science behind it.

                  Now go and post another article you right wing media puppet, it will make you feel better.
                  The part where you don't understand that the climate scientists use dodgy manipulated temperature data in there modelling which makes any scientific debate you want to have irrelevant and a waste of time.

                  I have already stated I will not be voting Liberal this time. Life is to short to be wedded to one Party all your life.

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                  • #84
                    Enjoy RR

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Jns...ayer_embedded#

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by melon.... View Post
                      Serious question Chook.. You think Penny Wong is right? You think Bondi will be washed away?

                      Theres the bullshit. Youve been severely had my frined. Absolutely shafted by left wing bullshit.

                      Tiis thing wont fly and Auustralia wont suffer so that your mate Gore can make billions. **** the Left and their pseudo science religious zealotry left wing bullshit.

                      AGW - Dead and ****ing buried.
                      You are completely filled with your own right wing arrogance and bullshit Melon. You and that other farkwit rcptn just parrot what you see and hear on other blogs, come here and repeat it ad nausea likes its some great farking revelation.

                      Get over yourself. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong or some global conspiracy theory to take away your supposed self-made millions.

                      Fark you right wing retards and your holy then tho attitudes! What the fark make you ****s think you know what farking is best for everyone eh??

                      Do I think Bondi will be washed away, to be honest I don't know. And you know what Melon, neither do you despite you thinking you farking do!

                      That's the biggest problem with you right wing morons, you cannot distinguish between fact and your own stupid, moronic opinions!

                      Chook.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Chook View Post
                        You are completely filled with your own right wing arrogance and bullshit Melon. You and that other farkwit rcptn just parrot what you see and hear on other blogs, come here and repeat it ad nausea likes its some great farking revelation.

                        Get over yourself. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong or some global conspiracy theory to take away your supposed self-made millions.

                        Fark you right wing retards and your holy then tho attitudes! What the fark make you ****s think you know what farking is best for everyone eh??

                        Do I think Bondi will be washed away, to be honest I don't know. And you know what Melon, neither do you despite you thinking you farking do!

                        That's the biggest problem with you right wing morons, you cannot distinguish between fact and your own stupid, moronic opinions!

                        Chook.
                        Chook. Teh IPCC data was made up. The NASA readings were fudged. Every Left Wing nutjob has gone out of their way to make this "science" look real. Its over.

                        I believe in facts. And to me facts are seeing...seeing is believeing, and believe me, the Sydney Coast Line has never looked better (nore different) for as long as I can remember.

                        This isnt about politics. Its about the Brave New World. The foolish tax on the very air you and i breathe. I cannot allow a bunch of imbeciles and liars who make up data, to tell me what I must do. Nor will I allow them to remove choice from my life. I choose to rejectthis false, made up data. I choose to reject this false cultish following. As for telling everyone what they can and must do....no way. I allow yo to make your choice. Your high priestess is ramming thsi bullshit down my throat! YOU are taking MY choice away. YOU dont believe in democracy. YOU dont believe in freddom of belief and speech. Ill tell yuo what....YOU pay for your CO2 emissions if that makes you happy. Im happy to see you back up your belief system. But NEVER demand ME or anyone else to do as you choose to do.

                        I choose to embrace a cleaner world for our kids and an enjoyable environment. i do not choose the fabricated evidence and the lie that man is destroying the world by causing global warming by emitting CO2. Man is destroying the world by polluting rivers with heavy metals and industrial chemicals.

                        Stick to the real facts, and real concerns and you may gain some credibility. Believing in this false science with an even falser economy driving it is madness. But its your choice.

                        I choose sanity. You can do as you please.
                        Last edited by melon....; 02-22-2010, 10:24 AM.
                        Alcohol never solved any life problems.....then again neither did milk.

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                        • #87
                          And here is another real fact that the Warmests will ignore

                          Sea Levels rising Claim is a Fraud

                          Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner is the head of the Paleogeophysics and
                          Geodynamics department at Stockholm University in Sweden.
                          He is past president (1999-2003) of the INQUA Commission
                          on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution, and
                          leader of the Maldives Sea Level Project. Dr. Mörner has
                          been studying the sea level and its effects on coastal areas for
                          some 35 years. He was interviewed by Gregory Murphy on June 6 for EIR.

                          http://www.climatechangefacts.info/C...rinterview.pdf

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                          • #88
                            Climategate 2.0 — The NASA Files: U.S. Climate Science as Corrupt as CRU (PJM Exclusive — Part Three)

                            http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climate...inglepage=true

                            When they show cooling, NASA dismisses temperature anomalies much larger than those hailed as ominous. (This is Part Three of a four-part series. Read Parts One and Two.)

                            February 19, 2010 - by Christopher Horner (On December 31, 2009, NASA finally provided the Competitive Enterprise Institute with the documents I requested from them with an FOIA in August 2007. My request asked NASA to release their internal discussions regarding a series of errors in their claims of warming U.S. temperatures caught by Steve McIntyre. NASA had stonewalled my request for more than two years.)

                            A principal theme of these NASA emails — and one that is illuminating in its exposition of advocacy and hypocrisy at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) — is the insistence that what turned out to be a false warming of 0.15 degrees in the U.S. record is meaningless, even if covering merely seven years (2000-2006, as opposed to a decadal or longer trend).

                            In an August 7, 2007, email from GISS’ Dr. Reto Ruedy to GISS director Dr. James Hansen, Ruedy says the correction had “little impact” on the U.S. record. In an email to New York Times environmental reporter Andrew Revkin on August 9, 2007, Hansen characterizes the error as having been “well within the uncertainty bar we give” for the U.S. and “entirely negligible” globally. In an email to Dr. Donald E. Anderson — program manager, Earth Science Enterprise, NASA Headquarters — on August 14, 2007, Hansen used the terms “minor,” “negligible,” and “less than the uncertainty” to describe the previously touted warming which was now shown to be an error.

                            This did not explain why the warming merited all of the hype in the preceding seven years.

                            Further, a week later Hansen privately wrote to Revkin that “[we] can add an uncertainty” to actually do what Hansen had been spinning to Revkin that they already do:

                            Indeed we already include a bar at several points on our temperature curve, but we note that it only includes the largest source of uncertainty in the temperature change (incomplete spatial coverage).

                            To add some further, curious texture to Hansen’s remarkably flexible view of what magnitude of warming is meaningful, note how in an August 14, 2007, email to GISS’ Makiko Sato and Ruedy, Hansen describes a claimed, much smaller warming between 1934 over 1998 of 0.02 degrees Celsius — which Hansen’s own 2001 paper had shown to be 0.5 degrees Celsius, a full half degree — as being “slightly warmer.” It is fair to assume from the record of NASA GISS that, because 1934 is an older year, the disparity must be downplayed. But it is also rather troubling that Hansen had forgotten his own work, serially rejecting the notion that he ever said 1934 was warmer than 1998, and his newer, operative claim that the difference is actually only 0.02 degrees Celsius, “much less than the accuracy” of their instruments. Therefore, he says: “Of course, scientifically, this is all nonsense.”

                            There is indeed nonsense in the various double standards that the emails reveal about NASA GISS, over how much and what kind of anomalies (warm or cool) are meaningful. Though not as he suggests.
                            Hansen also dismisses what had previously been the substantial relative warmth of 1934 over 1998 in the rankings of temperatures in an email to Bloomberg journalist Demian McLean on August 14, 2007:

                            In our 2001 paper we found 1934 slightly warmer, by an insignificant hair over, 1998.

                            But in fact that paper declared 1934 to be a whopping half a degree warmer than 1998. This couldn’t, and didn’t, last.

                            In an August 9, 2007, email from Ruedy to Hansen, Ruedy suggests an alternative method of bringing their data in line — internally, at least — which would cool the claimed twentieth century warming of under a degree by nearly one-third of that (0.3C). This suggestion was repeated by Ruedy the same day in an email to Gavin Schmidt. Both missives revealed NASA’s new preferred tactic of not emphasizing the impact of U.S. temperatures in favor of emphasizing global temperatures, in order to diminish the importance of their U.S. temperature problem. This reveals a bias towards advocacy and activism as opposed to objective science, a highly questionable practice for a taxpayer-funded science office staffed with career employees.

                            Hansen emailed Times reporter Revkin on August 9, 2007:

                            [In fact] it is unclear why anyone would try to make something out of [the differences], perhaps not a light on upstairs?

                            This perspective ignores how Hansen’s office had for years aggressively made quite a lot out of such differences, smaller ones, in fact. Now, when caught overstating the warming, changing and even losing historical data, he claims the differences are immaterial — and only someone not possessing full mental faculties would try to do such a thing as Hansen’s office had long done, with much smaller anomalies. Because those earlier, smaller anomalies were in support of the desired warming and related agenda that requires there to be warming.

                            Ruedy also spun for Revkin, trying to diminishing the magnitude of Hansen’s error:

                            To be remarkable, an observed change has to be a multiple of that standard deviation; compared to that, the errors caused by “bad” stations, urban heat island effect, etc., are of little importance.

                            Here we see how one can learn, and even grow, on the job.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by melon.... View Post
                              Chook. Teh IPCC data was made up. The NASA readings were fudged. Every Left Wing nutjob has gone out of their way to make this "science" look real. Its over.
                              The only thing that’s over is your ability to see reason. Despite your declarations there is a vast amount of evidence that still points to human induced climate change. Have mistakes been made yes, but to declare “it’s over” because of those mistakes only serves to prove your utter farkin ignorance of the subject!

                              Originally posted by melon.... View Post
                              I believe in facts.
                              No you don’t! You believe in any bullshit conspiracy theory that backs up your deluded garbage! And I’ll prove that later in this post.

                              Originally posted by melon.... View Post
                              This isnt about politics. Its about the Brave New World. The foolish tax on the very air you and i breathe. I cannot allow a bunch of imbeciles and liars who make up data, to tell me what I must do. Nor will I allow them to remove choice from my life. I choose to rejectthis false, made up data. I choose to reject this false cultish following. As for telling everyone what they can and must do....no way. I allow yo to make your choice. Your high priestess is ramming thsi bullshit down my throat! YOU are taking MY choice away. YOU dont believe in democracy. YOU dont believe in freddom of belief and speech. Ill tell yuo what....YOU pay for your CO2 emissions if that makes you happy. Im happy to see you back up your belief system. But NEVER demand ME or anyone else to do as you choose to do.
                              I don’t believe in democracy or freedom of speech! Is that another one of your facts that you believe in Melon or just more of your deluded bullshit rhetoric that suits the river of garbage you keep spewing?

                              Originally posted by melon.... View Post
                              I choose to embrace a cleaner world for our kids and an enjoyable environment.
                              You embrace it you just don’t want to farkin pay for it!! Someone else can do that for you and your family eh??

                              Originally posted by melon.... View Post
                              Stick to the real facts, and real concerns and you may gain some credibility. Believing in this false science with an even falser economy driving it is madness. But its your choice.

                              I choose sanity. You can do as you please.
                              You wouldn’t know a fact about this topic if it sucked your dick! You offer nothing to the debate Melon, nothing at all. Just more of the same rhetoric and garbage that you’ve been regurgitating since this thread began.

                              Chook.

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                              • #90
                                I don't think there is anyone who disagrees with the fact that the climate is changing.
                                (As it had before humans existed, and as sure as it will continue to long after we are gone)..

                                Let's say that Bondi Beach is going to disappear in 100 years. What will an ETS do to this date??? Won't Bondi Beach just be gone in 101 years rather than 100..??

                                I mean, you give a guy like Tim Flannery an award and he thinks he can change the weather...

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                                You know when you have your child's Birthday party booked at a park on the weekend...

                                You prey that it doesn't rain..That's as close to influencing the weather as we are going to get..

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