Work Choices

[stephenj]

thats certainly spirited debate fhorn? however i would agree that some of the many promises made haven't been forthcoming yet! id also remind you that all the alps efforts to pass eitrher good or farked legislation have been controlled by the tory majority in the senate! so essentially this alp government have had a very difficult time trying to govern, they also walked straight into the wfc! not a small issue, the tory howard government only had money saved because they refused to invest in australia, no r and d from the companies trying to invent better things, it was all lets send everything off shore and drive down wages here so big mates companies get bigger profits! i wont even begin on workchoices atm? the alp government has had to stimulate the australian economy not only to keep us out of recession but also t5o get the country working again instead of just exporting our dirt to china and buying our cars from japan your surely not proposing welock up these que jumpers in concentration camps like howard did or pay others to do so like his pacific solution? sounds like the usas guantanimo bay?

[Guest]

thats certainly spirited debate fhorn? however i would agree that some of the many promises made haven't been forthcoming yet! id also remind you that all the alps efforts to pass eitrher good or farked legislation have been controlled by the tory majority in the senate! so essentially this alp government have had a very difficult time trying to govern, they also walked straight into the wfc! not a small issue, the tory howard government only had money saved because they refused to invest in australia, no r and d from the companies trying to invent better things, it was all lets send everything off shore and drive down wages here so big mates companies get bigger profits! i wont even begin on workchoices atm? the alp government has had to stimulate the australian economy not only to keep us out of recession but also t5o get the country working again instead of just exporting our dirt to china and buying our cars from japan your surely not proposing welock up these que jumpers in concentration camps like howard did or pay others to do so like his pacific solution? sounds like the usas guantanimo bay?

Whats with the Tory crap mate we are not in Britain?

[Fairfax]

The 4 deaths caused by failed policy, is not a mistake. Its a tragedy.

Does the Federal Government deserve to lose the next election? YES. If they dont what will happen to melon? nothing. But it will solidify the suspicion that the public that vote Labor (if they do again) are morons that dont deserve a future.

Hmmm... the insulation issue was rorts performed by your pals in the private sector. They can't be trusted. Same with the schools program. Howard's de-regulation of as much of the economy as possible exposes one thing. The private sector cannot be trusted. GFC anyone? Not public, but private sector failings.

Sorry I haven't been around much Melzy... we're too busy fixing the country

[Guest]

We had all these things under the Coalition plus a budget surplus instead of record budget deficits

I'm probably wrong since you seem to have all the facts and figures at hand but hasn't the world just been through a major recession? Though living in Australia we could be forgiven for not noticing.

[Guest]

Hmmm... the insulation issue was rorts performed by your pals in the private sector. They can't be trusted. Same with the schools program. Howard's de-regulation of as much of the economy as possible exposes one thing. The private sector cannot be trusted. GFC anyone? Not public, but private sector failings.
Sorry I haven't been around much Melzy... we're too busy fixing the country

Explain that one to me mate?

[Guest]

I'm probably wrong since you seem to have all the facts and figures at hand but hasn't the world just been through a major recession? Though living in Australia we could be forgiven for not noticing.

Yes it has

But explain how we are projected to have massive deficits for the next 3 or 4 years?

It doesn't make sense considering the world has supposedly averted disaster?

[Guest]

[QUOTE=rcptn;51664]Yes it has

But explain how we are projected to have massive deficits for the next 3 or 4 years?

It doesn't make sense considering the world has supposedly averted disaster?[/QUOTE]Tell this to those in europe or the us. But you have brought laughter to my day

[Guest]

[QUOTE=kobber;51684]

Yes it has

But explain how we are projected to have massive deficits for the next 3 or 4 years?

It doesn't make sense considering the world has supposedly averted disaster?[/QUOTE]Tell this to those in europe or the us. But you have brought laughter to my day

Note the word supposedly

I know the world economy is even further down the clacker than it was 2 years ago but the media and most governments are spinning a worldwide recovery

[Fairfax]

Explain that one to me mate?

Greedy men running insulation companies, doing poor work, ripping off consumers and the scheme as well as putting staff @ risk. The houses that have been damaged were because of shoddy work. The Howard government and its supporters have always decried the superior efficiency of the private sector, yet through cutting down on regulation governing small businesses this is allowed to happen.

[stephenj]

so by allowing small enterprise the freedoms to make responsible business decisions, what they actually did was regress to pure unadulterated greed including putting their employees at great risk, this ended in 4 deaths, customers are also still at risk? but these responsible enterprises have disappeared back into the drain of Howard's beliefs, experiment over now we all have to live with a bit more regulation for our own safety?the alps attempt at allowing the free enterprise model to self regulate was a total failure, now some people want to allow this behaviour to flourish country wide?philosophical madness?

[Guest]

[QUOTE=rcptn;51701]

Note the word supposedly

I know the world economy is even further down the clacker than it was 2 years ago but the media and most governments are spinning a worldwide recovery

Thank you for agreeing with me. The "world economy is even further down the clacker than it was 2 years ago" but as I said we in Australia have been well insulated ( I couldn't resist the obvious pun, sorry). So Australia has been managed very well so be well on the way to recovery

[Guest]

Greedy men running insulation companies, doing poor work, ripping off consumers and the scheme as well as putting staff @ risk. The houses that have been damaged were because of shoddy work. The Howard government and its supporters have always decried the superior efficiency of the private sector, yet through cutting down on regulation governing small businesses this is allowed to happen.

Exactly

The right claim that the free market will drive out poorly performed or shoddy business. But now when it suits they want tighter govt control.

[Guest]

Greedy men running insulation companies, doing poor work, ripping off consumers and the scheme as well as putting staff @ risk. The houses that have been damaged were because of shoddy work. The Howard government and its supporters have always decried the superior efficiency of the private sector, yet through cutting down on regulation governing small businesses this is allowed to happen.

I thought you were talking about the GFC?

[Guest]

[QUOTE=kobber;52023]

Thank you for agreeing with me. The "world economy is even further down the clacker than it was 2 years ago" but as I said we in Australia have been well insulated ( I couldn't resist the obvious pun, sorry). So Australia has been managed very well so be well on the way to recovery

We were only insulated due to the good economic management of the previous government. Labor have poorly managed the economy since they got in and when the next shoe drops IE the PIIGS we will be up shit creek with everybody else because we couldn't stomach some short term pain for long term gain.

[Guest]

so by allowing small enterprise the freedoms to make responsible business decisions, what they actually did was regress to pure unadulterated greed including putting their employees at great risk, this ended in 4 deaths, customers are also still at risk? but these responsible enterprises have disappeared back into the drain of Howard's beliefs, experiment over now we all have to live with a bit more regulation for our own safety?the alps attempt at allowing the free enterprise model to self regulate was a total failure, now some people want to allow this behaviour to flourish country wide?philosophical madness?

Government picking winners and losers in the free market usually ends up in disaster so no surprise there.