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    Tony Abbott all over the place, says Malcolm Fraser From: AAP May 26, 2010 10:36AM

    Mr Fraser, who was the prime minister between 1975 and 1983, reportedly told friends Mr Abbott was "all over the place" on policy and disliked the racist overtones adopted by the party in the debate on immigration.

    Mr Abbott said he was not prepared to say anything negative about Mr Fraser, who quit the party in December.

    "I think he was a fine Liberal prime minister," he told Macquarie Radio.

    "He was a distinguished leader of our party through some difficult times as well as some successful times."

    Mr Fraser "obviously" had a right to make judgments about where he stood these days.

    "I thought that the most interesting thing that Malcolm Fraser's done recently, though, was declare that the Rudd Government was worse than the Whitlam government," Mr Abbott said.

    Liberal MP Petro Georgiou, a former Victorian state director of the Liberal Party, said he was deeply saddened by news of Mr Fraser's resignation.

    "Malcolm's made an enormous contribution to Australia and to the party," he told ABC radio.

    "He's shown that it's possible to be very politically tough but also compassionate and have a real social conscience."

    Mr Fraser was a person who took his personal convictions very seriously, Mr Georgiou said.

    "Malcolm's had a classical Menzian view of the party and has been troubled by where he's seen the party go over recent years.

    "I think it is a general view by Malcolm that the party differs from the party that he joined."

    Nationals Senate leader Barnaby Joyce said Mr Fraser was on a new chapter of his "life-discovery mission" and was more than entitled to it.

    "He's philosophically moved on from his former base - that's his gig and good luck to him, but it really means very little," he said.

    But Australian Greens leader Bob Brown said the resignation would be a turnoff for many a Liberal voter.

    "If they're losing a great Australian like Mr Fraser from their ranks, then there'll be many other Australians who would be Liberals who will be looking elsewhere," he said.

    "It's a commentary about the Liberal Party having drifted so far away from its roots."

    Senator Joyce denied the Liberals were leaning too far to the right.

    "There was a time there when I was really struggling to find a difference between Mr Rudd and (former Liberal prime minister John) Mr Howard," he said.

    But post-election, the political divide between the two sides was now stark, Mr Joyce said.

    "The state of our bank balances being one, this moronic (mining) tax being another and the fact that he's been burning down houses around the countryside," he said.

    "I don't know whether that makes you conservative or socialist or just completely and utterly hopeless."

    Independent senator Nick Xenophon said the resignation would cause angst for small-l liberals.

    Some critics might label Mr Fraser "a grumpy old man", he said, adding others would say the Liberal party had grown more than he had.



    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/abbo...#ixzz0x78fG5Em

  • #2
    Fraser is a left wing idiot

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    • #3
      Thanks for all those articles caveman.

      I think they pretty much sum up my feeling on the election. You have an incumbent government who have just run a negative scare campaign. It's almost as if it's two opposition leaders in this campaign. I mean who is accountable for the last 3 years of government? Is it all Kevin's fault? I still can't get my head around it. We are supposed to be "moving forward", what from exactly?

      I mean if someone said to me 6 months ago Abbott would be the Prime Minister I would of rolled around on the floor laughing. I think it just shows what state Labor is in.

      To be honest I think Labor will just hold on. They are the government and it's rare for government to lose office after one term. But they don't bloody deserve it.

      I will be voting for Abbott tomorrow, I honestly don't know if he will be a better alternative. But I just don't think this Labor government deserves a second chance.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by fitzy View Post
        Thanks for all those articles caveman.

        I think they pretty much sum up my feeling on the election. You have an incumbent government who have just run a negative scare campaign. It's almost as if it's two opposition leaders in this campaign. I mean who is accountable for the last 3 years of government? Is it all Kevin's fault? I still can't get my head around it. We are supposed to be "moving forward", what from exactly?

        I mean if someone said to me 6 months ago Abbott would be the Prime Minister I would of rolled around on the floor laughing. I think it just shows what state Labor is in.

        To be honest I think Labor will just hold on. They are the government and it's rare for government to lose office after one term. But they don't bloody deserve it.

        I will be voting for Abbott tomorrow, I honestly don't know if he will be a better alternative. But I just don't think this Labor government deserves a second chance.
        Have you ever looked how Australia is travelling compared to the rest of the world?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rcptn View Post
          Fraser is a left wing idiot
          You are getting boring RSVP in your criticisms of those who oppose your views. I cite your replies abour Nasa and the nobel prize winning economist. No counter arguement just empty statements

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kobber View Post
            Have you ever looked how Australia is travelling compared to the rest of the world?
            Yes I have. But again I ask if if Labor did so well, why did they get rid of Rudd? I'm not being a smart ass I just can't get my head around it and I'm not on my own.

            To answer your question more directly I think this current government were in a pretty good position thanks to previous Labor and Liberal governments.

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            • #7
              although its been pretty obvious where my allegiances lay i must honestly say that I'm terrified of the damage that could be done to Australia if abbot is lucky tomorrow! its not just economics , its the social fibre of our country , do we really need a pacific Vatican? guaranteed not to be a workers utopia as well! that's one way to discourage immigration? whatever happens tomorrow lets all hope the best government gets in for Australia's sake!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by stephenj View Post
                although its been pretty obvious where my allegiances lay i must honestly say that I'm terrified of the damage that could be done to Australia if abbot is lucky tomorrow! its not just economics , its the social fibre of our country , do we really need a pacific Vatican? guaranteed not to be a workers utopia as well! that's one way to discourage immigration? whatever happens tomorrow lets all hope the best government gets in for Australia's sake!
                Hahaha. Stephen no matter who wins today not much will change for most of us, I mean the two major parties are pretty identical these days. One only has to look at the Green's primary vote these days. Youth and others see them as the "progressive" party and not the ALP. Who would of thought a few years ago they would have 14% of the primary vote? Ultimately it will be their preferences that get the ALP over the line today.

                I laughed at the scare campaigns run by both parties, especially the ALP the last few days. I mean if Abbott won and then on the Sunday he pulled back a curtain and revealed work choices he wouldn't get far. Firstly there would be 14 million Australian's waiting for him with baseball bats at the next election. Secondly the way the senate is now neither party will be getting any major legislation through.

                Back to today I think Labor have been unlucky in their first term. They have been dealt a tough hand with the GFC, any party would of found it tough. Normally I would say they deserve another term but to me they lose that goodwill with the way they got rid of Rudd. That's why they won't be getting my vote today.

                I mean do they take Australian's for mugs? I can't see how anyone would vote for Labor after what they did. The get rid of a PM, parachute in someone else and then call an election a month later. The whole thing stinks and I hope they get the message today that these stunts don't work.

                So as I said I will be voting for Abbott today. It has nothing to do with Gillard, I think people get caught up in hating certain political figures. I think she is a decent person who is capable of being PM.

                But it's Abbott for me on principle. I think it would be sending a poor message if Labor is allowed to get away with this today. I hope others are with me because I think Labor will win narrowly

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                • #9
                  thanks fitzy for taking the time to respond in an intelligent thought provoking manner. i still believe our great nation needs swome progression to move ahead in this world, sadly that never seems to happen under conservative governments? i only remember as far back as menzies, i think an abbot government would put womens rights back a long way? as you say a new senate might ensure little legislation gets through, we could all be back at the polls in 12 months or less for a double dissolution? the die is now cast!

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