Common sense prevailed

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very telling preface

Being honest, I was serious. I've watched the guy for over two years. He is crazy as a loon but hates everyone equally.

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Really most of the arguements put forward about the you beaut benefits of broadband by people can be dechipered as "I want MY internet speeds faster". Much like tax cuts, if a party was promise a major tax cut to all individuals, they would get in. Don'y worry that it would be irresponsible and the country could not afford it, they would get in....hang on....

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It's to give jobs to union controlled companies, pure and simple.

I call bullshit!

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Now that sounds much more like the Labor party I'm used to and dislike.

Seems that going to bed with the Greens and Indies doesn't change some things.

The priority of this ramshackle govt should be to build hospitals, roads, and housing for the disadvantaged, disabled and homeless, not broadband!!

I mean how are people meant to use the whizbang technology when there's no roof over their heads??


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What did the other mob do for thirteen years in a booming economy? Help to grow merchant banks and give tax cuts to high flyers!

The ALP were in for twelve months when the biggest economic downturn since the great depression hit the world, which was caused by those fab banker guys, and you're complaining about them doing nothing!

Again... if hospitals are a mess, maybe the 30% health care rebate business welfare policy would have been better spent on actual health services, not dividends to shareholders.

We used to own a company not unlike the mob that will build the NBN... But the other mob sold it and used part of the cash to bribe marginal electorates.

The cash that the government spent to keep us out of recession has partially gone on public housing. I can see at least three developments within five minutes walk from my place.

The broadband network will be an asset. Apart from the benefits to education, business, health and the regions when it is running it will generate revenue. A hospital doesn't have a registrar specialist on hand? Send the scans via high speed internet to somewhere that has one on duty.

Kids in the regions shouldn't feel like second class citizens? The information economy has usurped the days of School of the Air!

Small businesses will benefit from being able to do business on a bigger stage, where larger organisations can potentially de-centralise and do more work in the regional cities, strengthening the rural economies!

It's not about faster porn or movies... It has benefits for the entire country and we will own it! I'm sick of public private partnerships where they socialise the losses and capitalise the gains.

It's a good idea. Don't let the small minded myopic naysayers convince you otherwise.

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It may be a good idea, "Rusty" but the execution will be extremely poor.

I direct you towards the donkey rodeo that is the pink bats scheme, that Julia Gillard herself oversaw, ignoring the four dead men, the waste involved, along with the fire hazards in roofs that didn't have fire hazards before, as well as the houses that have burnt down because of said fire hazards.

A system (that of fibre optics) that according to the majority of I.T. experts not currently being paid off by the ALP (they're not the government of jack shit in my eyes) say will be obsolete by the time it gets rolled out (and that's if the government was efficient at such things, which they're not) will cost more than 43 billion, with or without private investment. Which I think will end up doing what you don't want to happen anyway.

If the ALP makes any money off this deal, I will be shocked.

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43 billion, .

By the time Labor gets around to it ,and you include all the rorting along the way, it'll cost at least double that

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It may be a good idea, "Rusty" but the execution will be extremely poor.

I direct you towards the donkey rodeo that is the pink bats scheme, that Julia Gillard herself oversaw, ignoring the four dead men, the waste involved, along with the fire hazards in roofs that didn't have fire hazards before, as well as the houses that have burnt down because of said fire hazards.

A system (that of fibre optics) that according to the majority of I.T. experts not currently being paid off by the ALP (they're not the government of jack shit in my eyes) say will be obsolete by the time it gets rolled out (and that's if the government was efficient at such things, which they're not) will cost more than 43 billion, with or without private investment. Which I think will end up doing what you don't want to happen anyway.

If the ALP makes any money off this deal, I will be shocked.

Nice work... the failure of the pink bats [sic] was the greed of private contractors who pushed untrained people into dangerous positions. Private enterprise... remember them?

Now, as you stated earlier that this will be pushed out to companies that are union controlled... why didn't they do that before with the previous scheme.

You're hysterical.

Which "union controlled company" do you think will roll out the NBN? Companies with union agreements have rigid OH&S structures that save lives. Not one of the companies involved in the tragic deaths were union controlled.

IT experts... and I know a fair few of them as a matter of fact... are split into two over the NBN.

One camp is threatened and can see there private cash cow slipping away and are kicking and screaming about it. The Alliance for Affordable Broadband - comprising telcos including Allegro Networks, PIPE Networks, BigAir, Vocus Communications, AAPT, Polyfone and EFTEL can see their cartel losing control of a lucrative market after providing substandard service for years.

Wireless and copper? Forget it.

The other camp are futurists who can see that there is a major benefit that this project will deliver to all Australians.

And we will own it.

Now tell me... name the union controlled companies in this sector again?

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Your right it not about faster movies or porn but it is about the speed in which data can be delivered. Video streaming is pretty much as fast as the normal consumer will need. We have that now. I am talking about the residential houses that will supposedly get fibre right into the home. It is overkill, plain and simple.

Yes businesses should have broadband, so should hospitals, schools, etc, etc, etc but there are other ways to deliver it at far less that $43 billion. The technology exists now.

As for copper being no good - read this: http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/wps/po...cle_002043.xml

Now this is in the early stages of course and hang on, it is over copper.....

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Sorry John, but that's not 1GB but 300mb and requires 2 x copper phone lines. The copper vs fibre debate is over. The point is to give hospitals, schools, businesses AND people at home access. No point having a two tier system. This will be an asset and generate revenue instead of just handing the cash over to the private sector who have failed miserably so far.

I've had web access at home for 13 years and used all manner of providers. In my day job, I've used ISDN, SHDSOL, XHDSL, ADSL, wireless, 3G, GPRS, fibre and cable... I know what is my choice. Copper is 20th century technology.

Why be second best?

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I will believe that the broadband can be delivered (and remember that Oakshitt wants it in the country first) and not for three times the price or more when I see it.

I no longer have faith in my former party to do anything remotely cost effective.

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Sorry John, but that's not 1GB but 300mb and requires 2 x copper phone lines. The copper vs fibre debate is over. The point is to give hospitals, schools, businesses AND people at home access. No point having a two tier system. This will be an asset and generate revenue instead of just handing the cash over to the private sector who have failed miserably so far.

I've had web access at home for 13 years and used all manner of providers. In my day job, I've used ISDN, SHDSOL, XHDSL, ADSL, wireless, 3G, GPRS, fibre and cable... I know what is my choice. Copper is 20th century technology.

Why be second best?

So tell me why you need 1Gbps at home? Tell me why schools would need 1Gbps? That is some serious data speeds.

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So tell me why you need 1Gbps at home? Tell me why schools would need 1Gbps? That is some serious data speeds.

Who knows what we will need in the future. Modern medical scanning technology is expensive and people were diagnosed before but who would not want to take advantage of these technologies today. We can use a phone to buy shares through our broker but who would not prefer an online account if you're seeking to buy or sell. To often cost is raised as an opposition to change then when we look back we think why was there any question of doing it

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If I had 1Gig per second internet speed, I'd use up my usage in 2 and half minutes.

The trouble with a lot of the general public (and Tony "Inbred" Windsor for that matter) is that you can throw numbers and words, which are essentially meaningless at best and bullshit at worst but they buy it.

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So tell me why you need 1Gbps at home? Tell me why schools would need 1Gbps? That is some serious data speeds.

A few hundred kids on a 1gb at once will slow it down.

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If I had 1Gig per second internet speed, I'd use up my usage in 2 and half minutes.

The trouble with a lot of the general public (and Tony "Inbred" Windsor for that matter) is that you can throw numbers and words, which are essentially meaningless at best and bullshit at worst but they buy it.

Got that list of union controlled companies yet?