Australians are as gullibly stupid as Americans!

[crikey chris]

LOL
what...off the couch?

You are an idiot! What don't you understand about economic vandalism. And how the "wealth distribution" of a carbon dioxide tax will NOT reduce temperatures or decrease sea levels. The Greens want to phase out the very things which separate us from third world substance farmers in Africa. And how am I wrong in defending my lifestyle and my small business from being hit with a tax that will not achieve any enviromental benefits. You can believe what you want. But I see it no more than adding to the leftie green United Nations coffers, and helping the bank balance of our incompitent government (how else will Swanny bring the budget back to surplus!). While destroying the Australian economy and our lifestyles as we know it.

What we have is a hypothesis based on extremely limited temperature datasets over an extremely small timeframe, a limited understanding of historical climate and little idea of all the climatic drivers. Yet the political classes are using apocalyptic projections based on just a subset of these models to take us back to the third world, and you don't think we should talk about it?

The only time a prime minister addresses the country is in times of war, a major crisis, or in times of major catastophic events. But the Fabian Ranga gets to do an infomercial on sunday night. Yep, I am going to tax you, and you will thank me when I destroy your standard of living. Do we get free steak knives! She does not even trust her own Labor Party with the details! And journo's are in lockdown mode, just like election night, get pro-active Labor lackies spruking the 'benefits'. Then will appear on Q&A on monday night, on you guessed it, on the leftie loving Labor sympathetic ABC. In the meantime, our taxes will fund the $12,000,000 advertising campain/blitz of how wonderful this hoax is.

I have no issue with geniune sensible moves towards renewables but when the proposed solutions don't correlate to the problem as stated, surely at some point you need to question the real motivation. Who are the "real" winners? Not the planet or the Australian people.

[Guest]

What we have is a hypothesis based on extremely limited temperature datasets over an extremely small timeframe, a limited understanding of historical climate and little idea of all the climatic drivers. .

Since the rest of your post is incomprehensible i will limit myself to this small sample. That will be sufficient.

[Guest]

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Since the rest of your post is incomprehensible i will limit myself to this small sample. That will be sufficient.

[Guest]

http://www.smh.com.au/business/econo...713-1hd3d.html

Almost two-thirds of Australia's economists say the government's carbon pricing package is good economic policy, while even more oppose the Coalition's plan.

A new study by the Economic Society of Australia, released today, found 60 per cent of economists believed the move to put a price on carbon from mid-2012 and to use the funds to benefit households, industry and clean energy was sound economic policy.

But one-quarter of the 140 economists surveyed disagreed with the assessment.

A vast majority of economists say Tony Abbott's climate plans aren't sound economic policy.

Almost 85 per cent said they did not think the Coalition's alternative "direct action'' plan was a sound economic proposal to reduce carbon emissions.
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You won't see this in any Noise Limited rag or hear Alan Jones or Ray Hadley mention it. No no, keep the populace ignorant and stupid is the Coalition and it's supporters policy.

Chook.

[Guest]

Those poor, poor farking miners! How will they ever survive a carbon and super profits tax?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226093664870

AUSTRALIA'S mining boom has brought a change offshore: The number of superyachts owned by Australians has tripled since 2005, as mining millionaires take advantage of the strong local dollar and financial-crisis-related bargains for the high-end sailing vessels.
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I wonder how many jobs the purchases of those superyatchs generated here in Australia?

If the Australian public cannot see through this ridiculously obvious scare campaign by the miners and their lackies in the liberal party, then this country is well and truly farked.

Chook.

[Andrew Walker]

You are an idiot! What don't you understand about economic vandalism. And how the "wealth distribution" of a carbon dioxide tax will NOT reduce temperatures or decrease sea levels. The Greens want to phase out the very things which separate us from third world substance farmers in Africa. And how am I wrong in defending my lifestyle and my small business from being hit with a tax that will not achieve any enviromental benefits. You can believe what you want. But I see it no more than adding to the leftie green United Nations coffers, and helping the bank balance of our incompitent government (how else will Swanny bring the budget back to surplus!). While destroying the Australian economy and our lifestyles as we know it.

What we have is a hypothesis based on extremely limited temperature datasets over an extremely small timeframe, a limited understanding of historical climate and little idea of all the climatic drivers. Yet the political classes are using apocalyptic projections based on just a subset of these models to take us back to the third world, and you don't think we should talk about it?

The only time a prime minister addresses the country is in times of war, a major crisis, or in times of major catastophic events. But the Fabian Ranga gets to do an infomercial on sunday night. Yep, I am going to tax you, and you will thank me when I destroy your standard of living. Do we get free steak knives! She does not even trust her own Labor Party with the details! And journo's are in lockdown mode, just like election night, get pro-active Labor lackies spruking the 'benefits'. Then will appear on Q&A on monday night, on you guessed it, on the leftie loving Labor sympathetic ABC. In the meantime, our taxes will fund the $12,000,000 advertising campain/blitz of how wonderful this hoax is.

I have no issue with geniune sensible moves towards renewables but when the proposed solutions don't correlate to the problem as stated, surely at some point you need to question the real motivation. Who are the "real" winners? Not the planet or the Australian people.

The government is spending 4.3 billion more than the tax will raise in its 1st 4 years. It will though get some back with cuts to diesel fuel rebates and aviation excise. Other savings will be detailed in the mid year economic forecasts. Anyone who actually thinks this is a quick fix for a budget surplus is either ill educated on the subject or a fool

Which one are you Chris ?

[Guest]

The tide has turned, sorry for the cliche.

Either the Tax will go or Julia Gillard will.

The only people's livelihood that is in danger is the Labor backbenchers whose margins are below 10%.

[crikey chris]

The government is spending 4.3 billion more than the tax will raise in its 1st 4 years. It will though get some back with cuts to diesel fuel rebates and aviation excise. Other savings will be detailed in the mid year economic forecasts. Anyone who actually thinks this is a quick fix for a budget surplus is either ill educated on the subject or a fool

Which one are you Chris ?

None of the above.
Two degrees, ecomonics & hr.
Day trade the sharemarket and run a small business for a living. I think I have learnt something along the way lol.

The current set-up has no idea how to manage money. Under Rudd, it was not much better. Yes Howard had issues, but the last 4 years have seen an incredible amount of money rorted on Ber/pink bats/nbn/fuel watch/grocery watch etc. The common denominator is Swanny, who as the treasurer is not qualified to run a chook raffle. Now that the loopy Greens control the Ranga leader, it is economic suicide. With higher inflation on the cards, pressure will be on the Reserve Bank to keep rates on hold, but for how long?

Whether you believe that carbon dioxide is a pollutant, we agree to disagree. But adding another tax to our already overtaxed country is not the way to go imo. These guys just don't have a good track record with money. And to think that none of the funds raised has nothing to do with the budget bottom line, thats just dellusional. Swanny is relying on China not getting the jitters, otherwise there is no hope the budget will be in surplus. And the amount of new govt beauracrats needed to make this scheme work will be incredable. Funny how 10% going to the UN hardly gets a mention, another way of saying wealth distribution.

Giving compo to this and that, is just to buy votes in the next election, if she makes it that far. She has stated that all this compo is only for the short term. Then the rorts of a cap&trade system will kick in. If they were serious, all fuel/petrol would be carbon taxed.

And I am not influenced by shock jocks like Jones/Bolt/Hadley or sensationalism by so-called jouralists. I listen to both sides of the argument. From the left leaning Q&A to Sky News to ABC24, SHM/TeleCrap/Australian/AFR etc. I can make up my own mind. I just don't think us having a carbon dioxide tax will have little or next to no effect in emissions globally, while harming our economy, and making the Greens happy. Why should we destroy our economy while the big polluters do next to nothing. It is silly to say that the world will follow us. We have a democracy, going down the communist road does not sit too well with me. If she is so confident, go to an election and let the people of Australia decide.

At present, Australia has the worst politicians on both sides of the fence in my lifetime. They are giving the Whitlam years a run for there money. And the scariest part, the Greens have power to influence. Very scary times.

we agree to disagree

[Guest]

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Two degrees, ecomonics & hr.

Sorry. I don't believe you. Your post is an exercise in cliche and no-sequitur. Not once in any of your posts have you detailed any sophisticated economic arguement ("Tax is bad" is the extent). You seem to think using words like communism means something. Judging by your avatar pic (is that your son?), bogan ville has been your uni

[Guest]

Sorry. I don't believe you. Your post is an exercise in cliche and no-sequitur. Not once in any of your posts have you detailed any sophisticated economic arguement ("Tax is bad" is the extent). You seem to think using words like communism means something. Judging by your avatar pic (is that your son?), bogan ville has been your uni

I could not agree more.

Surely someone with two degrees including one in economics wouldnt be so ignorant to claim the carbon tax

" While destroying the Australian economy and our lifestyles as we know it "

[Guest]

I could not agree more.

Surely someone with two degrees including one in economics wouldnt be so ignorant to claim the carbon tax

" While destroying the Australian economy and our lifestyles as we know it "

When given a choice between fear and facts, fear takes zero effort to understand hence why so many fall for it.

Chook.

[Guest]

I just don't think us having a carbon dioxide tax will have little or next to no effect in emissions globally, while harming our economy, and making the Greens happy.)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1226094172989

Advice. Turn down 2ue. Switch off today tonight. Put down the Telecrap. And listen to rational arguement. Scientists and economists and buisness leaders can't be all complicit in your "communist" conspiracy.

[Guest]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226094563799

HUNDREDS are expected at a central Queensland protest against a mining giant's plans to have a totally fly-in fly-out workforce.

BHP Billiton Mitsubishi Alliance (BMA) has asked the Queensland government to allow an entirely fly-in fly-out workforce at the Caval Ridge mine.

Under BMA's proposal, 150 workers will commute to the mine near Moranbah, 200km southwest of Mackay, rather than being based in the town.

Queensland Mining Communities president Kelly Vea Vea said the miner was steamrolling the town's wishes.

A protest planned in Moranbah on Tuesday is the last chance to show the state government the proposal's not wanted.

"This application is bad for families, bad for communities and bad for central Queensland's economy, because 100 per cent of any economic benefit will fly out with this project," she said.
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So glad to see those mining companies obvious concern about local jobs. Can't wait to see Blabbot try and blame the carbon tax for these local "job loses".

Chook.

[Pass the Ball]

Fly-in from where...??

[Guest]

Fly-in from where...??

It doesn't say. But does it matter? These mining companies spew on about "caring about local jobs" yet do this to a local community.

Chook.