Public v Private

[Guest]

Can any fair minded person argue that private education is not taking the piss

Public money is for the public need, whilst there are privately funded schools that add to society please tell me how Scots or Geelong Grammer provide to the public good . I cant go on their property or swim in their pools. One or two athletic kooris might

My school 2 has shown that public money would be better spent on schools that genuinely need. How could you argue otherwise

[Guest]

Henry, welcome, and let me whisper something in your ear.


STATE AID!!!!

[Guest]

You should see the rort that is TAFE Vocational Educational Training subjects offered at schools. Public schools get paid a few hundred dollars to cover the cost of enrolling students into those TAFE subjects, whereas private schools get paid thousands of dollars per subject.

Private schools are making 90% profit out of the government to have another government institution do their work for them.

[stephenj]

ill stay out of this one, i went to a public school sydney boys high, the origin of john brass , craig wing etc but my children i paid plenty to go to a private school st andrew cathedral school. was it worth it? jury still out, but my son is gainfully employed, my daughter is a politicaL CANDIDATE probably on the losing side next election, but they both have a personality grounded on values dear to we in the majority of australian society! it was either that or send them to school in the closed insular society of the 'shire'! choice made!

[Kingbilly]

Its like anything for what you get.
I went through the public system.
But my kids are going throught the private system.

Why, because in the Eastern Suburbs, if you want to give your kids a decent education then you almost have to. Sydney Boys is an option but its selective.

I am far (quite far) from well off, but we place a priority on our kids education so we choose to do what we can to get our kids the best education.

At the school they attend, they have more opportunities, the kids are respectful and there is appropriate discipline. These especially respect and discipline do not exist in public schools and in some of the Catholic schools either in our area.

Private schools are there as a choice, granted some have no way to afford them but a lot of people sacrifice and work second jobs to give their kids opportunity.
If there was no funding it would be out of reach for many of the families that send children there.

If all children when through the public system it would cost the government a hell of a lot more.

[stephenj]

spot on kingbilly, exactly as it is!

[Guest]

I cant coment on privae as no one in my family has ever attended...YET....

As many know we live in the greater area of Mt Druitt, and while I am more than happy to raise my 2 younger children here, and our public primary school is the best around.....I would not tke them out of it for anything, I have had 2 older ones go through high school, one here, and one in newcastle....both dropped out.....I dont blame the schools, but it was very easy for them to slip through the cracks when they wanted to, and become a statistic.

My problem now is, where do I send my almost 11 year old in less than 2 years....He is extremely smart but very easily led....I fear that if I let him lose in the local public schools he will not reach his full potential, and while not follow the same path as his older brothers, he could easily become another number on a list of endless teens who just manage and dont really go anywhere, or do we scrimp and save to send him to one of the private or catholic (he isnt) high schools in our area, and hope that while I am paying for his education it will help give him the boost he needs to be the unique and extremely sucessful person I know he can become.

At this point I also have the option of a selcetive high school (public) if he passes the exam later this year.

I say we are leaning towards private purely for the benifits in our area for him....he needs to do well if he is going to join Wally at Foxtel....

[Kingbilly]

I forgot to metion that in our area there are a number of extremely good public primary schools. My boys attended one and we were very happy.
They are a very different story to our available public high schools.

[Guest]

[I am far (quite far) from well off, but we place a priority on our kids education so we choose to do what we can to get our kids the best education.

So are you suggesting those who dont put their children through private education dont have their childrens education as a priorty ?

If I am unsatisfied with the police force I dont get subsidised private security, same if I am not happy with public transport I dont get taxi vouchers.

Public money for the public good.

[Guest]

[If there was no funding it would be out of reach for many of the families that send children there.

If all children when through the public system it would cost the government a hell of a lot more.[/QUOTE]

But the recent myschool financial data highlights that private schools dont spend on average that much more per student, where they spend the money is in capital works like swimming pools and facilities to attract more students.

Of course there are the exceptions but overall they just dont need the money and how people can drop their kids off at the sandstone gates and then drive past another run down public shool with crumbling facilities and not feel guilt is staggering.

[Kingbilly]

So are you suggesting those who dont put their children through private education dont have their childrens education as a priorty ?

No thats your assumption, some people have better or other options, although it is certainly true that some people do not place their kid's education as a high priority.

If I am unsatisfied with the police force I dont get subsidised private security, same if I am not happy with public transport I dont get taxi vouchers.

So what do you do if you are unsatisfied with puiblic transport, I know I make other arrangements, taxi, drive my car. Its a choice.
If I was dissatisfied with the police to a point where it was a major issue, I would def look at what options I had available.

[Guest]

No thats your assumption, some people have better or other options, although it is certainly true that some people do not place their kid's education as a high priority.


So what do you do if you are unsatisfied with puiblic transport, I know I make other arrangements, taxi, drive my car. Its a choice.
If I was dissatisfied with the police to a point where it was a major issue, I would def look at what options I had available.

I agree its a choice but you dont get taxpayer money to fund that choice, where as in education........

[Kingbilly]

But the recent myschool financial data highlights that private schools dont spend on average that much more per student, where they spend the money is in capital works like swimming pools and facilities to attract more students.

Do you trust the myschool information, even if its correct, independent schools still spend on average 23% more per student than governement schools.

According to the Australian Bureau of Stats, nmore than 2/3 of students attend governement schools and they get the majority of the government funding more than 70%. So therefore it is fact that students at Public schools get more funding per student than those at private schools.

So in reality it is costing the government less to educate my children at private schools that it would if I were sending them to Public schools.

I do not get a tax rebate on the extra I contribute to educating my children and I pay the same taxes that other do on my salary.

So I am actually subsidising the government in regards to the education of my child no the other way around.

[Kingbilly]

I agree its a choice but you dont get taxpayer money to fund that choice, where as in education........

Ah but I pay taxes that are to be used for education (as well as other things). So are you saying I am not entitled to that just because I wish to pay extra for my child's education ?

Thats almost like saying I am not allowed to use public transport because I choose to own and drive a car

[Guest]

Ah but I pay taxes that are to be used for education (as well as other things). So are you saying I am not entitled to that just because I wish to pay extra for my child's education ?

Thats almost like saying I am not allowed to use public transport because I choose to own and drive a car

No Kingbilly it aint saying that at all, you are entitled to use public transport just dont expect a subsidy to use your own car or taxis.

I got no qualms with private schools being privately funded. However when there is a limited amount of $$$ for education surely it should go to those that need it.

Its as simple as that