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    Lies lies and more lies JuLiar and her cronies

    Carbon not the same thing as CO2

    Terry McCrann From: Herald Sun March 08, 2011 12:00AM 11 comments
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business...-1226017312737

    . Source: Herald Sun

    ASTONISHINGLY, the PM, the Cabinet and members of the Canberra Press Gallery don't know the difference between carbon and carbon dioxide.

    There are two great lies told about the need to "put a price on carbon". Lies which I can't recall a single member of the gallery ever confronting the liars with -- far less the prime liar herself.

    And it'll be a cold day in hell before you see a critical commentary from any of the supposed leading lights of the gallery such as Fairfax's Michelle Grattan or Peter Hartcher applying a critical analysis to the claims.

    Now these two lies are in addition to Julia Gillard's "there will be no carbon tax" lie. They precede it and will be told again and again after it.

    The first is that "climate change policies" are aimed at "carbon pollution". No they are not; they are aimed at reducing emissions of carbon dioxide.


    There is neither the need to abbreviate carbon dioxide to carbon; and the exercise of abbreviation renders it inaccurate. A bald-faced, quite deliberate lie.

    For if carbon dioxide can be called "carbon pollution", in this or any other universe, in this or any other reality, well then rain has to be called "hydrogen pollution".

    The reason the term is used by Gillard is an exercise of quite deliberate despicable dishonesty. It is the modern political form of those subliminal advertisements that are banned.

    To suggest that it is about stopping dirty bits of grit -- the very real carbon pollution of yesterday's coal-burning home fires which gave London its sooty smog and killed thousands every year.

    The real carbon pollution which no longer exists in modern developed economies, mostly precisely because of clean coal-fired power stations. And which does exist -- and kills -- in developing and third-world countries, denied centralised power generation.

    The great sick irony is that to the extent we do cut our emissions of CO2, it will merely relocate those emissions in developing countries where they will be accompanied by bits of grit. Most notably and significantly: China.

    Indeed, those supposedly virtuous Europeans might have cut their CO2 emissions they produce in Europe. But their consumption of CO2 emissions has increased by 44 per cent since 1990. It's just they are now being emitted in China.

    Every time Gillard or Climate Change Minister Greg Combet mouths the term "carbon pollution", a competent journalist would ask questions like:

    Do you understand that you are referring to what you are breathing out? Please explain how this is pollution? How are you going to stop personally polluting? Why don't you use the accurate term carbon dioxide?

    The second great lie is that so-called "de-carbonising our economy" as a consequence of "putting a price on carbon" is the 21st century equivalent of the tariff reforms of the 1980s.

    In fact it is the exact opposite: it is the equivalent of imposing tariffs on the Australian economy. This is true whether or not the rest of the world follows. It's just that much worse if we do it solo.

    This lie has been peddled not just by the government but also by Treasury. Be afraid, be really afraid that we have a Treasury which is that incompetent.

    Cutting tariffs and other forms of protection removed artificial costs that were imposed on both producers and consumers. It enabled them to buy especially goods but also services at the lowest competitive price.

    The carbon tax or an ETS (emissions trading scheme) does the exact opposite. It imposes a totally artificial additional cost, in its case, on everything consumers and business buy.

    It forces us to pay -- totally artificially -- higher prices for energy than we could otherwise, like right now, pay for it.

    You'd think this would be obvious to even the most junior reporter in Canberra. But even the most senior, such as Grattan, are apparently oblivious to the obvious.

    Again, I've never seen a Canberra commentator respond to the PM or the treasurer or the treasury secretary spouting this nonsense with a simple comparison.

    Tariff cuts reduced the price of things. The carbon tax/ETS will increase the prices.

    All to utterly no point. We ain't going to get so-called alternative energy. Treasury can assume a million can-openers. It doesn't and won't exist in any meaningful form.

    And our pain will make zero difference to any climate outcome. Welcome to Julia and Wayne's world. Their policy pollution is your pain.

  • #2
    shoot me down if you like but letting the mind wander, i thought about the pollution caused by coal generated power stations and the consequent financial burden to consumers, now and in the future, one of the big whinges is" the stations infrastructure is too old, needs capital investment to modernise! how about the federal government build nuclear power plants in their place, owned and run by government, not for profit but to 1 minimise carbon pollution 2 generate cheap power for the Australian people and business, we have a massive amount of our own uranium sitting around, we can still sell cheap coal to china but not uranium, also put in place very tight laws to ensure no future right wing government decides to enrich it further into weapons grade stuff! I'm sure it can be done, and with the associated reduction in pollution the greens came cop it or else, the opposition might even agree with the government on this one and join parties to vote it through the senate? ive already passed it by some die hard lefties in the alp and they like it so ill get a proposition together for debate at the next federal conference, cheap long term power with a good nbn will see australia power ahead in our world!

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    • #3
      The first parliamentary party leader to start the ball rolling on nuclear power in this country will be the first to lead his/her/it's party to the biggest hiding since Kristina Keneally.

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      • #4
        and that would be a real pity madduke, i would have thought the libs were very pro nuclear, the alp are going to debate it again at national conference, the greens start babbling and bawling at its mention, however a coalition of the coalition and the alp can make it happen, regardless of the greens!

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        • #5
          A population of 20mil does not require nuclear energy, particularly when we have ideal conditions for generating energy from far better sources such as coal, geothermic, solar and wind. Yes even coal is better than nuclear.

          Australia's subterranean granite structure is ideal for geothermic energy generation as it is layered horizontally. And we have hundreds of what the industry call "hot rocks" situated close enough to the surface to be effectively farmed.

          We have millions of square miles of desert ideal for solar generators.

          We have thousands of miles of uninhabited coast line ideal for wind farms.

          All it takes is a government with the balls to drag our apathetic arses away from the conventional into the realm of renewables.

          Chook.

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          • #6
            I doubt Gillard actually knows the difference. Politicians don't generally give the impression of actually knowing what they're talking about. *cough*Conroy*cough*

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            • #7
              as you say chook it takes a government with balls to make those ultra hard decisions? i chose nuclear because of the fairly quick time required to implement it? the other forms of energy gathering seem to be a more slow long term affair, the alp have never shirked the hard decisions or been afraid to invest our money ie snowy mountains scheme, nbn?

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