NBN Prices released by Internode

[Billy Gunn]

4G would give yo what the NBN actually delivers and it would cost less and the country billions less.

I don't agree, current 3G is meant to Produce speeds around the 7mbit/s reality is you would need exclusive use of the tower to get that. 4g is "supposed" to achieve 100mbit/s but you will never get that, where as fibre is infinitely expandable.

[stephenj]

my optus cable connection is not toitally reliable, i carnt wait for the nbn, then i wont be stuck with optus, i think i know their indian techies by name now? is that you raswheed? hows the cricket gowing?

[crikey chris]

so according to Internode nbn pricing,
excuse my maths if incorrect as I am hungover,
but at the best speeds...100Mb/sec

you get 5mins of internet for $100!

yes I want faster internet, but surely this is a rip-off

[Fairfax]

I've spent a lot of time working with wireless technologies, cable internet, 3G usb dongles et all through work and home.

The major underlying principle is that anything cabled is infinitely more reliable rhan anything that isn't. The same applies to audio... wireless mics and guitar packs fail and are more unreliable than anything cabled.

I have a 40mb wireless link at my office and a 20mb link at home. Never get near that speed.

Optus cable, and I see others are critical of it, is a far more reliable network, although the third party hardware is what lets them down. I have used it at home for over ten years and I have no real complaints.

3G is so flaky, that the myth of 4G will no doubt give similar results.

Finally, I have some users on Internode and they're overly expensive and mediocre for the premium charges. Internode have always been against the NBN so it's no surprise they've raced to the market citing high prices. Competition will shake them down and no-one will pay anything like their ambit charges.

[Fairfax]

Have a look at http://www.iinet.net.au/nbn/

NBN-1 : 10GB + 10GB 25/5 Mbps $29.95

NBN-2 : 100GB + 100GB 25/5 Mbps $49.95

NBN-3 : 200GB + 200GB 25/5 Mbps $69.95

NBN-4 : 500GB + 500GB 25/5 Mbps $99.95

(They offer 100/40 Mbps as a signing bonus until the end of July, otherwise just 25/5)

[Guest]

so according to Internode nbn pricing,
excuse my maths if incorrect as I am hungover,
but at the best speeds...100Mb/sec

you get 5mins of internet for $100!

yes I want faster internet, but surely this is a rip-off

1 Mb (megabit) = 1 MB (Megabyte) / 8

[Kingbilly]

Those prices are better than I thought they would be.

I am still not overly impressed as the whole "NBN" thing was sold on the basis of 100MB/s speeds and access for remote country australia.
Neither which in reality is feasible

[crikey chris]

Ok, will this a crack. Someone who specialises in this field will correct all my mistakes, but this my basic understanding.

Here goes. Let's say that I want to access a website in the USA.

Let's also say that I am connected to our new super fast NBN, which gives me virtually lighting speed latency from, say, Hooterville to Sydney.

Then, I hit one of the 5 international cables running out from Australia to overseas. If it's a time of high volume, my speed will be rationed, in order to load-share on that cable.

Then, I hit a node in the USA.

My speed again depends on the capacity of that US node. I will then be transited through the US cable infrastructure.

If it is slower than Australia's lightening fast NBN (and it almost certainly will be), then my performance will be de-graded down to that less-than-NBN speed. If I am then shuffled off to a server where the information I am seeking is located, and that server is linked to the internet via a copper line, running ADSL, then my speed will be dialled back to ADSL speeds.

If the server on which the data is located is not state-of-the-art and is having to serve multiple requests for data at the same time, then it will slow down the various connections, in order to load-share once again and ensure that everyone gets a fair (although slow) connection to the server.

What our marvellously technologically illiterate politicians fail to understand is that the internet is like a giant, worldwide water system. There is no point in having a massive flow-rate capacity in one part of the system, if there is even a single bottleneck somewhere else in the system.

You can spend a gazillion dollars increasing the flows in the part of the network which you control, but if there is even one choke-point anywhere between you and the reservior, all your money has been wasted, until the rest of the bottlenecks are fixed.

As most internet sites come via the US, and unless they have matching infrastructure to ourselves, our new super fast system will not achieve all that the politicians and companies with vested interests spruking the NBN want to achieve. Accessing local Australian sites will be fast in the major cities, and debatable about the regional rural areas, but the US sites I am not so sure.

Someone who knows a hell of alot more than me on this topic, tell me if I am on the right track

[melon....]

Ok, will this a crack. Someone who specialises in this field will correct all my mistakes, but this my basic understanding.

Here goes. Let's say that I want to access a website in the USA.

Let's also say that I am connected to our new super fast NBN, which gives me virtually lighting speed latency from, say, Hooterville to Sydney.

Then, I hit one of the 5 international cables running out from Australia to overseas. If it's a time of high volume, my speed will be rationed, in order to load-share on that cable.

Then, I hit a node in the USA.

My speed again depends on the capacity of that US node. I will then be transited through the US cable infrastructure.

If it is slower than Australia's lightening fast NBN (and it almost certainly will be), then my performance will be de-graded down to that less-than-NBN speed. If I am then shuffled off to a server where the information I am seeking is located, and that server is linked to the internet via a copper line, running ADSL, then my speed will be dialled back to ADSL speeds.

If the server on which the data is located is not state-of-the-art and is having to serve multiple requests for data at the same time, then it will slow down the various connections, in order to load-share once again and ensure that everyone gets a fair (although slow) connection to the server.

What our marvellously technologically illiterate politicians fail to understand is that the internet is like a giant, worldwide water system. There is no point in having a massive flow-rate capacity in one part of the system, if there is even a single bottleneck somewhere else in the system.

You can spend a gazillion dollars increasing the flows in the part of the network which you control, but if there is even one choke-point anywhere between you and the reservior, all your money has been wasted, until the rest of the bottlenecks are fixed.

As most internet sites come via the US, and unless they have matching infrastructure to ourselves, our new super fast system will not achieve all that the politicians and companies with vested interests spruking the NBN want to achieve. Accessing local Australian sites will be fast in the major cities, and debatable about the regional rural areas, but the US sites I am not so sure.

Someone who knows a hell of alot more than me on this topic, tell me if I am on the right track

There's only one rule. Whether you know technology or not, it applies.

You're only as fast as the slowest link in the chain.

[Guest]

The speeds are always "up to" but you rarely get that. It varies depending on the amount of people online. Just the way it is.

[Guest]

All the speeds quoted are "up to" so if you might get that speed but it is unlikely. It varies depending on the time of day and the amount of people online. That is why most providers have an off peak download amount, because it is off peak....

[Guest]

I think a lot of the luddites (finally used that in context) don't realize that. You can only download as fast as the downloading program/host will let you.

I've had download programs that have given me 256mg+ and ones that give me 20mg on a good day.

I'm more than happy with my internet provider, my telephone not cutting out if there's a power outage and not having Stephen "if idiocy was able to be weaponized then he would be a lethal weapon" Conroy be in charged of anything.

[Guest]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226107002490

THE internet is fast growing into one of the nation's strongest economic contributors, with a report showing it had chipped in more than $50 billion towards national gross domestic product last year.
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/boomi...802-1i9zn.html

AUSTRALIA'S fast-growing internet industry now contributes almost as much to the nation's economy as the embattled retail sector, and its value is already as big as that of the nation's iron ore exports.
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Geeze, a national broadband network would be a really good thing to build so we can continue to grow this online industry...

Chook.

[Guest]

As Malcolm Turnbull just said during the national press club, Internet is not a matter of availability of technology or where someone lives but affordability.

[Guest]

As Malcolm Turnbull just said during the national press club, Internet is not a matter of availability of technology or where someone lives but affordability.

Do you or Malcolm think it will be cheaper if we wait 10 years to build it, 15, 20? The internet market is growing now and is already responsible for generating billlions of dollars for our economy, tax the bloody multi billionare miners and use that money to build an infrastructure that can replace the mining boom WHEN it runs out. And it will run out. Why on earth would you want to wait?

If you don't believe me, listen to Nick Leader of Google Australia = Australia's cash cow. - http://abc.com.au/bestof/#s3284218

Chook.