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    A new batch of leaked emails from the IPCC'S leading climate change scientists show that AGW is a scam


    http://junkscience.com/2011/11/29/cl...nal-testimony/

    Climategate 2.0: Wahl helps enviros prepare for Congressional testimony
    Posted on November 29, 2011 by Steve Milloy | Leave a comment
    Yet more evidence that IPCC scientists have been working hand-in-glove with enviro activists.

    From the Climategate 2.0 collection, Alfred University’s Eugene Wahl explains why he’s tardy in responding to Keith Briffa:

    … I’ve also been a lot involved with helping to get a person from the Pew Center for Global Climate Change ready to testify in front of the House Energy and Environment Committee tomorrow. That is why I couldn’t get this done and sent to you earlier today.

    Until it imploded earlier this month, the Pew Center on Global Climate Change was a major activist group.

    The complete e-mail is below.

    From: Keith Briffa [mailto:k.briffa@uea.ac.uk]
    Sent: Mon 7/31/2006 10:29 AM
    To: Wahl, Eugene R
    Subject: RE: confidential
    First Gene – let me say that I never intended that you should spend
    so much time on this – though I really appreciate your take on these
    points. The one you highlight here – correctly warns me that in
    succumbing to the temptation to be lazy in the sense of the brief
    answer that I have provided – I do give an implied endorsement of
    the sense of the whole comment. This is not, of course what I
    intended. I simply meant to agree that some reference to the
    “divergence” issue was necessitated . I will revise the reply to say
    briefly that I do not agree with the interpretation of the reviewer.
    I am attaching what I have done (see blue highlighting) to the
    section in response to comments (including the addition of the needed
    extra section on the “tree-ring issues” called for by several
    people). I have had no feedback yet on this as it has not been
    generally circulated , but thought you might like to see it. PLEASE
    REMEMBER that this is “for your eyes only ” . Please do NOT feel that
    I am asking /expecting you to go through this in any detail – but
    given the trouble you have taken,I thought it reasonable to give
    you a private look. Cheers
    Keith
    At 07:16 27/07/2006, you wrote:
    >Hi Keith:
    >
    >Here is the text with my comments. I will go over the “stolen”
    >parts (highlighted in blue outline) for a final time tomorrow
    >morning, but I wanted to get this to you ASAP. The main new point I
    >have to make is added in bold/blue font on pp. 101-103. I question
    >the way the response to the comment there is currently worded, as it
    >seems to imply that the divergence issue really does invalidate any
    >dendro-based reconstructions before about 1850–which I imagine is
    >not what you would like to say. I give a series of arguments
    >against this as a general conclusion. Maybe I got over-bold in
    >doing so, as in my point (1) I’m examining issues that are at the
    >very core of your expertise! Excuse me that one, but I decided to
    >jump in anyway. Let me know if I got it wrong in any way!
    >
    >There are other quite minor suggestions (mostly focused on
    >referencing other responses in a few places) that are also in
    >bold/blue. These go on into the “120′s” in terms of page numbers.
    >
    >This is really a lot of work you’ve taken on, and I REALLY
    >appreciate what you and the others are doing!
    >
    >[I've also been a lot involved with helping to get a person from the
    >Pew Center for Global Climate Change ready to testify in front of
    >the House Energy and Environment Committee tomorrow. That is why I
    >couldn't get this done and sent to you earlier today. Send Mike
    >Mann and Jay Gulledge (Pew Center) all good thoughts for strength and clarity.]
    >
    >
    >NB — “r” towards the end of the filename stands for my middle initial.
    >
    >
    >Peace, Gene
    >Dr. Eugene R. Wahl
    >Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies
    >Alfred University
    >
    >607-871-2604
    >1 Saxon Drive
    >Alfred, NY 14802
    >
    >________________________________
    >
    >From: Keith Briffa [mailto:k.briffa@uea.ac.uk]
    >Sent: Mon 7/24/2006 3:16 PM
    >To: Wahl, Eugene R
    >Subject: RE: confidential
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Gene
    >here is where I am up to now with my responses (still a load to do) -
    >you can see that I have “borrowed (stolen)” from 2 of your responses
    >in a significant degree – please assure me that this OK (and will not
    >later be obvious) hopefully.
    >You will get the whole text(confidentially again ) soon. You could
    >also see that I hope to be fair to Mike – but he can be a little
    >unbalanced in his remarks sometime – and I have had to disagree with
    >his interpretations of some issues also.
    >
    >Please do not pass these on to anyone at all.
    >Keith
    >
    >
    >
    >Will pass all comments to you before they are fixed in stone- nothing
    >from review article will be mentioned.
    >Really grateful to you – thanks
    >Keith
    >
    >At 05:08 22/07/2006, you wrote:
    > >Hi Keith:
    > >
    > >Glad to help. (!)
    > >
    > >If I could get a chance to look over the sections of my text you
    > >would post to the comments before you do, I would appreciate it. If
    > >this is a burden/problem let me know and we’ll work it out.
    > >
    > >If it is anything from the Wahl-Ammann paper, of course that is fine
    > >to use at once since it is publicly available. There will only be
    > >exceedingly minor/few changes in the galleys, including a footnote
    > >pointing to the extended RE benchmarking analysis contained in the
    > >Ammann-Wahl review article.
    > >
    > >What I am concerned about for the time being is that nothing in the
    > >review article shows up anywhere. It is just going in, and
    > >confidentiality is important. The only exception to this are the
    > >points I make in my blue comments in the big review file on page
    > >104, concerning the MM way of benchmarking the RE statistic. Those
    > >comments are fine to repeat at this point. [Please excuse my
    > >hesitance in this way.]
    > >
    > >Actually, all the other blue comments I made in the big review file
    > >are also fine to use at once.
    > >
    > >
    > >Again, if this request is in any way a problem, let me know and
    > >we’ll figure out something.
    > >
    > >
    > >Peace, Gene
    > >Dr. Eugene R. Wahl
    > >Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies
    > >Alfred University
    > >
    > >________________________________
    > >
    > >From: Keith Briffa [mailto:k.briffa@uea.ac.uk]
    > >Sent: Fri 7/21/2006 2:00 PM
    > >To: Wahl, Eugene R
    > >Subject: RE: confidential
    > >
    > >Gene
    > >your comments have been really useful and reassuring that I am not
    > >doing MM a disservice. I will use some sections of your text in my
    > >comments that will be eventually archived so hope this is ok with
    > >you. I will keep the section in the chapter very brief – but will
    > >cite all the papers to avoid claims of bias. I really would like to
    > >discuss the whole issue of the reconstruction differences at a later
    > >, less stressful time. I completely accept the arguments about the
    > >limitation in the r2 and the value of capturing longer-term variance
    > >. I think I will have to stop now as the temp and humidity are killing here.
    > >
    > >Thanks a lot again
    > >
    > >Keith
    > >
    > >At 18:39 21/07/2006, you wrote:
    > > >Hi Keith:
    > > >
    > > >I’m sorry that there is a bit to digest…although I know it is just
    > > >a result of the nature of things.
    > > >
    > > >By the way, copied below is a synopsis that I sent this morning to a
    > > >person in DC who is working on all this with regard to the House of
    > > >Representative hearings. Evidently, there is to be at least one
    > > >more hearing next week, and Mike Mann will go. The person I sent
    > > >this to is trying to understand the importance of the proxy PC
    > > >issues –especially how, no matter what way the PC extraction is
    > > >done, the reconstructions converge if the structures actually
    > > >present in the data are not tossed out by truncating the number
    > > >retained PCs at a too low level. What I’ve copied is this
    > > >synopsis. I think it is straightforward — maybe a bit dense, but
    > > >at least brief.
    > > >
    > > >Also, let me know if I can help on the issue of RE vs r^2. I could
    > > >write a few brief sentences as something for you to look at if you
    > > >would like. Wahl-Ammann show very clearly that there is objectively
    > > >demonstrated skill at the low-frequency level of the verification
    > > >period mean for all the MBH segments, although the earlier MBH
    > > >segments do have really low r^2 values (indicating very little skill
    > > >at the interannual level). Our argument that to throw out the
    > > >reconstruction completely based on the fastest varying frequency,
    > > >when it has objectively demonstrable meaning at lower frequencies,
    > > >is to me quite reasonable. That it is some how entirely ad hoc, as
    > > >McIntyre claims in one (more?) of his comments, is neither logical
    > > >nor factual in my perspective. The idea of frequency dependent
    > > >skill/non-skill is not new to the literature, and the independent
    > > >re-reviewer that Steve Schneider had look over Wahl-Ammann said s/he
    > > >had experienced this issue in his/her work. G.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >****************************** COPIED TEXT ******************************
    > > >
    > > >What it boils down to in the end is as follows:
    > > >
    > > >1) The different reference periods used to calculate proxy PCs from
    > > >N. America (calibration only for MBH, full period for MM) only have
    > > >the effect of re-arranging how the hockey stick shape appears across
    > > >the rank ordering of PCs. In MBH it is concentrated in PC1. In the
    > > >full-period method, it is spread over PCs 1 and 2. If one adds PCs
    > > >1 and 2 (either arithmetically or as vectors) from either
    > > >convention, you get an essentially IDENTICAL time series, only the
    > > >amplitudes are a bit different. [Note that the input data were
    > > >centered AND standardized before being put into the PC calculation
    > > >algorithm. This is important, as shown below.]
    > > > WHEN ACTUALLY USED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION, THE DIFFERENCE
    > > > IS MINISCULE — MBH is colder over 1400-1449 by 0.05 degrees!
    > > >
    > > >2) IF the data are centered but NOT standardized and are input into
    > > >in a PCA algorithm using the variance-covariance matrix and not the
    > > >correlation matrix (the way MM did it), then the hockey stick shape
    > > >shows up in PC4. MM in fact reported this first in their 2005
    > > >Energy and Environment article. In effect, the first two PCs are
    > > >ARE ACTING TO DO THE STANDARDIZING OF THE DATA not done as a
    > > >pre-processing step. [When the correlation matrix is used instead
    > > >in the PCA algorithm, then the standardization is in effect done by
    > > >the algorithm, because all the correlations are "standardized" by
    > > >construction--they all range between 0 and 1.]
    > > > When 4 PCs from this calculation method are used rather
    > > > than 2 PCs calculated as above, then the RECONSTRUCTION CONVERGES
    > > > TO THE SAME AS ABOVE.
    > > >
    > > >3) Thus, all the different “flavors” for PC extraction have
    > > >essentially no effect on reconstruction when one does the exercise
    > > >of adding PCs sequentially from 2 to 5 for any flavor. In the case
    > > >of (1), the reconstructions converge by the second PC. In the case
    > > >of (2), they converge by PC4. They don’t change with higher order
    > > PCs added.
    > > > THIS SHOULD BE EXPECTED FROM FIRST PRINCIPLES. That is,
    > > > the same underlying information is there in all cases, it is only
    > > > how the structures present in these data are spread across the rank
    > > > order of PCs, as explained. The simple exercise of taking the
    > > > reconstructions to convergence across the number of PCs used shows
    > > > this clearly.
    > > >
    > > >4) In fact, MM essentially say all this in the 2005 EE
    > > >article–INCLUDING ABOUT THE RECONSTRUCTION RESULTS — but they
    > > >strongly claim that the movement of the hockey stick shape to the
    > > >4th PC shows it is not a leading pattern of variance as MBH claim,
    > > >and thus should not be used. This might be logical if their
    > > >analysis was an apples-apples comparison, but it is not, due to the
    > > >PCA method they use and applying it on NON-standardized data.
    > > > THESE TWO DIFFERENCES (which one can only fully get
    > > > from their actual code, not in the articles published) DRIVE THEIR
    > > > ENTIRE ARGUMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. What they do not say is
    > > > that convergence to something like the MBH result is expectable,
    > > > and indeed MUST happen given the data used, because the hockey
    > > > stick shape is actually IN the data, it is NOT an artifact of PC
    > > > calculation procedure.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >5) FINALLY, note that all of this rests on the foundation that
    > > >keeping the bristlecone pine records in the data is appropriate,
    > > >which Caspar and I find can be reasonable presumption. If one
    > > >believes that the bristlecone data should be removed, then the
    > > >1400-1449 reconstruction does not pass verification testing with the
    > > >RE statistic, and the MBH reconstruction should commence from 1450 on out.
    > > >
    > > >Although there are a number of reasons to keep the bristlecone data
    > > >in, maybe the most compelling reason they are a NON-ISSUE is that,
    > > >over the common period of overlap (1450-1980), the reconstruction
    > > >based on using them from 1400-1980 is very close to the
    > > >reconstruction based on omitting them from 1450-1980. Since the
    > > >issues about the bristlecone response to climate are primarily about
    > > >1850 onwards, especially 1900 onwards [KEITH -- PLEASE LET ME KNOW
    > > >IF I AM NOT ACCURATE IN THIS], there is no reason to expect that
    > > >their behavior during 1400-1449 is in any way anomalous to their
    > > >behavior from 1450-1850. Thus, THERE IS NO REASON TO THINK THAT THE
    > > >BRISTLECONES ARE SOMEHOW MAKING THE 1400-1449 SEGMENT OF THE
    MBH
    > > >RECONSTRUCTION BE INAPPROPRIATELY SKEWED.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >****************************** END OF COPIED TEXT *******************
    > > >
    > > >Peace, Gene
    > > >Dr. Eugene R. Wahl
    > > >Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies
    > > >Alfred University
    > > >
    > > >607-871-2604
    > > >1 Saxon Drive
    > > >Alfred, NY 14802
    > > >
    > > >________________________________
    > > >
    > > >From: Keith Briffa [mailto:k.briffa@uea.ac.uk]
    > > >Sent: Fri 7/21/2006 4:51 AM
    > > >To: Wahl, Eugene R
    > > >Subject: RE: confidential
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >Gene
    > > >thanks a lot for this – I need to digest and I will come back to you.
    > > >
    > > >thanks again
    > > >Keith
    > >
    > >–
    > >Professor Keith Briffa,
    > >Climatic Research Unit
    > >University of East Anglia
    > >Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
    > >
    > >Phone: +44-1603-593909
    > >Fax: +44-1603-507784
    > >
    > >http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/
    >
    >–
    >Professor Keith Briffa,
    >Climatic Research Unit
    >University of East Anglia
    >Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
    >
    >Phone: +44-1603-593909
    >Fax: +44-1603-507784>
    >http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/
    >
    >

    Professor Keith Briffa,
    Climatic Research Unit
    University of East Anglia
    Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
    Phone: +44-1603-593909
    Fax: +44-1603-507784

    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/

  • #2
    http://junkscience.com/2011/11/29/cl...possible-form/


    Climategate 2.0: Schmidt — Make data available in ‘impenetrable-as-possible form’
    Posted on November 29, 2011 by Steve Milloy | 5 Comments
    Now that’s good-faith disclosure.

    From the Climategate 2.0 collection, NASA’s Gavin Schmidt and and Michael Mann’s RealClimate collaborator complains about persistent skeptics and finally offers a solution:

    … Frankly, I would simply put the whole CRU database (in an as-impenetrable-as-possible form) up on the web site along with a brief history of it’s provenance (and the role of the NMSs) and be done with it. [Emphasis added]

    The full e-mail is below.

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    Mike, This current situation is a little tricky. As we saw with the
    whole HS affair, very few things have traction like the idea that data
    is being withheld (possibly only suppression of free speech is as
    powerful). You don’t need to know your PC from your elbow to see that as
    an issue and so it easily catches fire among those who would like to see
    the whole issue go away but who don’t know anything about it.
    However, the listing of the sites and sources etc. is completely
    peripheral to the real motivations (as you and Kevin correctly note).
    Phil is being targeted solely because of the three databases for the
    global SAT trends, his is the only one for which the raw data is not
    available. All of the issues could be examined using the NOAA or GISS
    analyses but what would be the point? The idea is not to find out
    anything interesting, but to keep pushing the ‘data is being hidden’
    meme. If Phil were to release the whole database, they would spend a
    week trying to do something, but then get bored and move on to someone
    else who is apparently hiding something.
    These games that are being played with the FOIA requests and the like
    aren’t going to stop – just playing those games is enough for these
    people, regardless of the response, because the very fact they’re doing
    it leads people to think the data is hidden.
    The current situation where they ask ridiculous and irrelevant questions
    and the response is well-meaning but ‘lawyerly’ just feeds the fire.
    They aren’t interested in asking questions that can be answered, but in
    asking questions that just put Phil on the defensive. The less he can
    respond, the happier they will be.
    Frankly, I would simply put the whole CRU database (in an
    as-impenetrable-as-possible form) up on the web site along with a brief
    history of it’s provenance (and the role of the NMSs) and be done with
    it. If specific NMS contracts forbid posting of their raw data, then he
    should remove the ones that he contractually can’t post and direct
    peoples attentions to the NMS’s concerned. Why should Phil be the fall
    guy for nutty ‘commercial’ restrictions imposed by various governments?
    Bottom line: This isn’t going to stop.
    Gavin
    PS. feel free to forward to Phil et al if you like.

    Comment


    • #3
      http://junkscience.com/2011/11/29/cl...ing-something/

      Climategate 2.0: Wigley to Briffa: ‘Are you hiding something?’
      Posted on November 29, 2011 by Steve Milloy | Leave a comment
      Even the alarmists don’t trust each other.

      From the Climategate 2.0 collection, an apparently frustrated and suspicious Tom Wigley presses Keith Briffa to respond to hokey stick debunker Steve Mcintyre:

      Keith,

      See the last item. Why don’t you just give these people the raw data?

      Are you hiding something — your apparent refusal to be forthcoming sure makes it look as though you are.

      Tom.

      [h/t Steve E.]

      Read the e-mail text.
      date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:24:43 -0600 (MDT)
      from: wigley@ucar.edu
      subject: [Fwd: CCNet: “COLLAPSE TO NEAR ZERO?” EUROPE’S CARBON CREDITS
      MAY
      to: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk
      Keith,
      See the last item. Why don’t you just give these people the raw data?
      Are you hiding something — your apparent refusal to be forthcoming sure
      makes it look as though you are.
      Tom.
      ==========

      ……

      Comment


      • #4
        http://junkscience.com/2011/11/28/cl...n-east-anglia/


        Climategate 2.0: Greenpeace wants to ‘invest’ in East Anglia
        Posted on November 28, 2011 by Steve Milloy | 4 Comments
        “I’d hope that we could benefit from funding from Greenpeace.”

        From the Climategate 2.0 collection, Imperial College’s Sebastian Catovsky is “collaborating” with Greenpeace and he solicits the University of East Anglia’s to do the same:

        Dear Dr Hulme,

        I’m currently a post-doc at Imperial College Silwood Park working predominantly on impacts of global change on natural ecosystems. Recently, however, I’ve begun a collaboration with Greenpeace UK to look at direct impacts of climate change on humans. Greenpeace are keen to relate global issues in climate change to local effects in the UK – so that people can better see the consequences of changing energy consumption patterns. Greenpeace have this idea of distinguishing inevitable changes in climate from those that are avoidable if we reduce fossil fuel use. That way, people can recognize how their actions can achieve something tangible. They’d like to pinpoint specific areas in the UK that will be most sensitive to future climate changes – e.g. certain coastal areas if sea level rises.

        Anyway, they drafted me in to tackle this from a scientific standpoint.

        After some hard thinking, I’ve begun to think that some of the new IPCC Climate Scenarios reflect the inevitable vs. avoidable distinction very well. The A1 family of scenarios reflect a range of emission trajectories that clearly characterize different levels of fossil fuel dependence, from intensive use (A1FI) to alternative energy sources (A1T). Using these scenarios to drive our climate predictions would clearly highlight which impacts are avoidable if we take action now. I’d been now thinking about how we could specifically utilize these scenarios to develop some tangible climate impacts, and Doug Parr at Greenpeace mentioned your name. I think Greenpeace would be interested in investing some resources in the project if we could produce some testible hypotheses about effects of reducing fossil fuel use on UK climate…

        I wonder if you’d be interested in collaborating in such a project. I’d be delighted to hear your thoughts on the matter, either way. At the moment, the project is quite fluid. Obviously, I’d expect to take on the bulk of the work – but I have no experience with running climate simulations etc., so I’d need a kick-start with someone with more experience in climate change
        modelling. I’d hope that we could benefit from funding from Greenpeace, and at least one credible scientific publication out of the work.

        Let me know your thoughts on this matter. I’d be happy to talk further with you on the phone, if it’s more convenient.
        Best regards,
        Sebastian

        The full e-mail is below:

        date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:06:40 +0100
        from: “Catovsky, Sebastian”
        subject: Greenpeace Climate Change Collaboration
        to: “‘m.hulme@uea.ac.uk’”
        Dear Dr Hulme,
        I’m currently a post-doc at Imperial College Silwood Park working
        predominantly on impacts of global change on natural ecosystems. Recently,
        however, I’ve begun a collaboration with Greenpeace UK to look at direct
        impacts of climate change on humans.
        Greenpeace are keen to relate global issues in climate change to local
        effects in the UK – so that people can better see the consequences of
        changing energy consumption patterns. Greenpeace have this idea of
        distinguishing inevitable changes in climate from those that are avoidable
        if we reduce fossil fuel use. That way, people can recognize how their
        actions can achieve something tangible. They’d like to pinpoint specific
        areas in the UK that will be most sensitive to future climate changes – e.g.
        certain coastal areas if sea level rises.
        Anyway, they drafted me in to tackle this from a scientific standpoint.
        After some hard thinking, I’ve begun to think that some of the new IPCC
        Climate Scenarios reflect the inevitable vs. avoidable distinction very
        well. The A1 family of scenarios reflect a range of emission trajectories
        that clearly characterize different levels of fossil fuel dependence, from
        intensive use (A1FI) to alternative energy sources (A1T). Using these
        scenarios to drive our climate predictions would clearly highlight which
        impacts are avoidable if we take action now. I’d been now thinking about how
        we could specifically utilize these scenarios to develop some tangible
        climate impacts, and Doug Parr at Greenpeace mentioned your name. I think
        Greenpeace would be interested in investing some resources in the project if
        we could produce some testible hypotheses about effects of reducing fossil
        fuel use on UK climate – perhaps start with sea level, then consider rain
        fall or temp? In addition, IPCC originally had set up different scenarios
        for coal vs. oil/gas dependence (something else Greenpeace are very
        interested in), but they do not show these distinctions in the Technical
        Summary.
        I wonder if you’d be interested in collaborating in such a project. I’d be
        delighted to hear your thoughts on the matter, either way. At the moment,
        the project is quite fluid. Obviously, I’d expect to take on the bulk of the
        work – but I have no experience with running climate simulations etc., so
        I’d need a kick-start with someone with more experience in climate change
        modelling. I’d hope that we could benefit from funding from Greenpeace, and
        at least one credible scientific publication out of the work.
        Let me know your thoughts on this matter. I’d be happy to talk further with
        you on the phone, if it’s more convenient.
        Best regards,
        Sebastian
        __________________________________________________ _____
        Sebastian Catovsky, PhD
        NERC Centre for Population Biology
        Imperial College at Silwood Park
        Ascot, Berks SL5 7PY
        UNITED KINGDOM
        Tel: 020 7594 2483
        Fax: 01344 873173

        http://www.cpb.bio.ic.ac.uk

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        • #5
          http://junkscience.com/2011/11/28/cl...sts-pre-kyoto/

          Climategate 2.0: Greenpeace hires East Anglia scientists pre-Kyoto
          Posted on November 28, 2011 by Steve Milloy | Leave a comment
          Dirty deeds done dirt cheap?

          From the Climategate 2.0 collection, Greenpeace rents University of East Anglia scientists (via Mike Hulme) for some ghostwriting:

          I am wondering whether you could help us with some urgent (paid) work we need doing for Kyoto. Or perhaps you can recommend someone else?

          We want to produce a briefing that replies to all the usual climate ‘sceptics’ arguments, in the form of short questions and answers. The work would involve supplying short (single paragraph) answers to a list of about 15 to 20 questions. Unfortunately, we have (as usual!) a very tight deadline – Friday 3 October. We could pay standard rates for the work, and it would be fine to have a number of different people helping with the answers, provided one person could be responsible for meeting the deadline. The report would be published as a Greenpeace International one.

          If you are unable to help, perhaps you could suggest someone else in your department who could – maybe with help from postgrads/postdocs in your department?

          Thanks in advance for your help, I look forward to hearing from you.

          BTW, Hulme has repeated contact with Greenpeace through the Climategate 2.0 contacts.

          Here’s to you Mike Hulme:


          The full e-mail is below.

          cc: “Reddish, Iain”
          date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:16:16 +0100
          from: “Wallace, Helen”
          subject: Climate sceptics
          to: ‘Mike Hulme’
          Dear Mike,
          I am wondering whether you could help us with some urgent (paid) work we
          need doing for Kyoto. Or perhaps you can recommend someone else?
          We want to produce a briefing that replies to all the usual climate
          ‘sceptics’ arguments, in the form of short questions and answers. The
          work would involve supplying short (single paragraph) answers to a list
          of about 15 to 20 questions. Unfortunately, we have (as usual!) a very
          tight deadline – Friday 3 October. We could pay standard rates for the
          work, and it would be fine to have a number of different people helping
          with the answers, provided one person could be responsible for meeting
          the deadline. The report would be published as a Greenpeace
          International one.
          Page 16379 of 33101
          If you are unable to help, perhaps you could suggest someone else in
          your department who could – maybe with help from postgrads/postdocs in
          your department?
          Thanks in advance for your help, I look forward to hearing from you.
          Best regards,
          Helen Wallace
          Dr Helen Wallace
          Senior Scientist
          Greenpeace UK
          Greenpeace, Canonbury Villas, London, N1 2PN
          Tel: +44-171-865-8241
          Fax: +44-171-865-8202

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          • #6
            We all know the biggest fraud in a century has been exposed. Just got to get it into teh idiot Greens thick skulls. EWvery nation on Earth is shying away from this welath distibution and job crushing scam.

            But not Australia!! No....Julia is hell bent to please her masters te Greens and help destroy a little more of hard worker's personal wealth.

            **** the Greens.
            Alcohol never solved any life problems.....then again neither did milk.

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            • #7
              who cares, its law now, enjoy!

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by stephenj View Post
                who cares, its law now, enjoy!
                Tell that to Queensland, whose parliament just past gay civil unions.

                Joh Bjelke-Petersen is turning in his grave.

                Comment


                • #9
                  I'll enjoy a pumpkin scone to mark the event

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stephenj View Post
                    who cares, its law now, enjoy!
                    Not sure how we are supposed too enjoy something designed to make us all poorer and the banksters richer?

                    http://junkscience.com/2011/11/28/cl...-dodgy-ground/


                    Climategate 2.0: Jones, Briffa say Mann, hokey stick ‘on dodgy ground’
                    Posted on November 28, 2011 by Steve Milloy | 1 Comment
                    Phil Jones points out Keith Briffa withheld that criticism from a 1999 article Briffa wrote for Science — in 1999.

                    From the Climategate 2.0 collection, Jones tells Michael Mann that Briffa withheld damning criticism about the hokey stick from a 1999 Science article:

                    Keith didn’t mention in his Science piece but both of us think that you’re on very dodgy ground with this long-term decline in temperatures on the 1000 year timescale.

                    Phil Jones concludes his chastising e-mail with:

                    I can’t think of a good ending, but hoping for a favourable response, so we can still work together.

                    Read the e-mail exchange.

                    cc: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk,t.osborn@uea.ac.u... .arizona.edu,
                    rbradley@geo.umass.edu
                    date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:37:34 +0100
                    from: Phil Jones

                    subject: Straight to the Point
                    to: mann@snow.geo.umass.edu
                    Mike,
                    Just back from two weeks away and from discussions with Keith
                    and Tim and some emails you seem quite pissed off with us
                    all in CRU. I am somewhat at a loss to understand why. It is
                    clear from the emails that this relates to the emphasis placed
                    on a few words/phrases in Keith/Tim’s Science piece. These may not
                    be fully resolved but the piece comes out tomorrow. I don’t want
                    to open more wounds but I might by the end of the email.
                    I’ve not seen the censored email that Ray has mentioned but this
                    doesn’t, to my way of working, seem to be the way you should be
                    responding – ie slanging us all off to Science. We are all
                    trying to work together for the good of the ‘Science’. We have
                    disagreements – Ray, Malcolm, Keith and me have in the past,
                    but they get aired and eventually forgotten. We have never
                    resorted to slanging one another off to a journal ( as in this
                    case) or in reviewing papers or proposals. You may think Keith
                    or I have reviewed some of your papers but we haven’t. I’ve
                    reviewed Ray’s and Malcolm’s – constructively I hope where I
                    thought something could have been done better. I also know
                    you’ve reviewed my paper with Gabi very constructively.
                    So why all the beef now ?
                    Maybe it started with my Science piece last summer. When asked
                    to do this it was stressed to that I should discuss how your
                    Nature paper fitted in to the current issues in
                    paleoclimatology. This is what I thought I was doing. Julia
                    Uppenbrink asked me to do the same with your GRL paper but
                    I was too busy and passed it on to Keith. Again it seems a
                    very reasoned comment.
                    I would suspect that you’ve been unhappy about us coming out
                    with a paper going back 1000 years only a few months after
                    your Nature paper (back to 1400). Ray knew all about this as
                    he was one of the reviewers. Then the second Science comment
                    has come out with a tentative series going back 2000 years.
                    Both Science pieces give us a chance to discuss issues highly
                    relevant to the ‘science’, which is what we have both tried to
                    do.
                    Anyway that’s enough for now – I’ll see how you’ll respond,
                    if at all.
                    There are two things I’m going to say though :
                    1) Keith didn’t mention in his Science piece but both of us
                    think that you’re on very dodgy ground with this long-term
                    decline in temperatures on the 1000 year timescale. What
                    the real world has done over the last 6000 years and what
                    it ought to have done given our understandding of Milankovic
                    forcing are two very different things. I don’t think the
                    world was much warmer 6000 years ago – in a global sense
                    compared to the average of the last 1000 years, but this is
                    my opinion and I may change it given more evidence.
                    2) The errors don’t include all the possible factors. Even
                    though the tree-ring chronologies used have robust rbar
                    statistics for the whole 1000 years ( ie they lose nothing
                    because core numbers stay high throughout), they have lost
                    low frequency because of standardization. We’ve all tried
                    with RCS/very stiff splines/hardly any detrending to keep
                    this to a minimum, but until we know it is minimal it is
                    still worth mentioning. It is better we ( I mean all of us
                    here) put the caveats in ourselves than let others put them
                    in for us.
                    3) None of us here are trying to get material into IPCC. I’ve
                    given you my input through the review of the chapter in
                    Asheville. I may get a chance to see the whole thing again
                    at some stage, but I won’t be worried if I don’t.
                    I can’t think of a good ending, but hoping for a favourable
                    response, so we can still work together.
                    Cheers
                    Phil
                    Prof. Phil Jones
                    Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
                    School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
                    University of East Anglia
                    Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
                    NR4 7TJ
                    UK
                    —————————————————————————-

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                    • #11
                      http://junkscience.com/2011/11/28/ro...nto-overdrive/

                      Ross: Chemical fear mongering goes into overdrive
                      Posted on November 28, 2011 by Steve Milloy | 1 Comment
                      Gil Ross on enviro efforts to hijack reform of the Toxic Substances Control Act.

                      Ross writes at TheHill.com:

                      The debate on “reforming” the 1976 Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) has recently emerged before the U. S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Eagerly anticipated by a wide variety of environmental groups, whose common raison d’être is essentially a deeply held fear of chemicals in our environment, they are now chomping at the bit at the prospect of tightening our already restrictive chemical safety laws…

                      If these professional fear mongers get their way, the system will be re-configured such that chemicals are presumed to be harmful until proven “safe,” no matter the weight of evidence or experience. This approach would surely bring about stringent and unnecessary restrictions on many widely used chemicals that are completely safe and vital to our standard of living…

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                      • #12
                        http://junkscience.com/2011/11/27/cl...-over-the-top/

                        Climategate 2.0: Even alarmists think Hansen is over the top
                        Posted on November 27, 2011 by Steve Milloy | 1 Comment
                        Skeptics aren’t alone in thinking that Hansen has jumped the shark.

                        From the Climategate 2.0 collection, Phil Jones and Mike Hulme discuss Hansen’s input to a June 19, 2007 article by Steve Connor in The Independent“

                        Oh dear, we’re doomed, we’re all doomed!

                        ‘Whipsaws’ now join ‘feedbacks’, ‘flips’ and ‘tipping points’ in the Earth science lexicon.

                        Hansen certainly uses the words ‘peril’, ‘planetary rescue’, etc. so it’s hard to blame Steve Connor, but what are we to make of all this? Does Jim want us to stop sleeping at night?

                        Click here for Connor’s article.

                        Read the E-mail exchange below.

                        cc: “Lowe_Tom”
                        date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:07:05 +0100
                        from: “Mike Hulme”
                        subject: RE: is this an over the top article/reporting
                        to: “‘Phil Jones’”

                        Oh dear, we’re doomed, we’re all doomed!
                        ‘Whipsaws’ now join ‘feedbacks’, ‘flips’ and ‘tipping points’ in the Earth
                        science lexicon.
                        Hansen certainly uses the words ‘peril’, ‘planetary rescue’, etc. so it’s
                        hard to blame Steve Connor, but what are we to make of all this? Does Jim
                        want us to stop sleeping at night?
                        Mike
                        —–Original Message—–
                        From: Phil Jones [mailto.jones@uea.ac.uk]
                        Sent: 19 June 2007 16:49
                        To: m.hulme@uea.ac.uk
                        Subject: is this an over the top article/reporting

                        http://environment.independent.co.uk...cle2675747.ece

                        Mike,
                        I think I’d agree with you on this one.
                        Phil
                        Prof. Phil Jones
                        Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
                        School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
                        University of East Anglia
                        Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
                        NR4

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                        • #13
                          http://junkscience.com/2011/11/27/cl...le-says-jones/

                          Climategate 2.0: ‘[Mann] did pad his data a little’, says Jones
                          Posted on November 27, 2011 by Steve Milloy | 4 Comments
                          Perhaps “padding” has some technical meaning?

                          From the Climategate 2.0 collection, Phil Jones writes to Ben Santer about the Michael Mann/hockey stick controversy:

                          Mike did pad his data a little at the ends and beginning to get common periods, but only by a maximum of 10 years. This would make little difference. You can just average the
                          lot and get pretty much the same result.

                          How much is “little difference”?

                          Read the e-mail exchange below.

                          date: Mon Nov 1 10:46:49 2004
                          from: Phil Jones

                          subject: Re: pdf files from the Seattle meeting
                          to: Ben Santer
                          Ben,
                          I saw the Muller article – the guy must have an agenda ! Mike used to respond to
                          these
                          sorts of things, quite vociferously, but has just given up recently as whatever he says
                          gets distorted and it appears he has no chance of convincing people.
                          The Mc/Mc article was reviewed by Nature and rejected. As far as I know Mike was
                          happy
                          with it coming out and had a response drafted. Nature decided it wasn’t worth
                          publishing.
                          Maybe Mike can tell you more – or you’re old sparring partner Heike Langenburg. Guess
                          you’ll
                          not want to contact her !
                          I sent a load of files before leaving for Florence in an email to Tom. Most of them
                          were
                          about the von Storch et al paper. Hans was in Florence much to my surprise – I did go to
                          a
                          meeting for 1.5 days ! Mike has written a response to this paper and that is being
                          reviewed by
                          Science. It seems they do this before sending to the authors of the paper commented
                          upon.
                          Muller is just parroting the same garbage from the Mc/Mc web site. It is appalling
                          that
                          people do this, without even reading the papers. We had a small go at Mc/Mc in the
                          Rev. Geophys paper, but the reviewers of that paper thought it wasn’t that appropriate
                          as the Mc/Mc views were so off the wall and so wrong and so badly put.
                          For some reason Tom seems to think there is no smoke without fire and believes
                          there
                          is something in it all. He is wrong this time. If Mike is guilty of anything, it is
                          overresponding
                          and too quickly when these things kept coming out. As I said he’s given up now.
                          Basic thing to point out in any assessment you make is that other groups have come to
                          very similar conclusions to MBH – namely Tom Crowley, Briffa et al, Jones et al. and

                          even Esper et al.
                          Mike did pad his data a little at the ends and beginning to get common periods, but
                          only
                          by a maximum of 10 years. This would make little difference. You can just average the
                          lot and get pretty much the same result. Mike has a paper coming out with many of us
                          in J. Climate – I’ll see if I can find this to forward. This shows the results if you take
                          Keith’s
                          data and Mike’s method you get much the same result as we got in our 2001 paper.
                          Scott Rutherford who works with Mike has made some mistakes – doesn’t seem to
                          have that
                          feel for data I keep talking about ! He did put all the data into a file for Mc/Mc about
                          3 years ago.
                          They said they couldn’t deal with it as it was ascii and they asked Scott to put it into
                          Excel -
                          yes they do things in this format ! Scott didn’t have much experience with Excel and
                          made
                          a few
                          mistakes – data repeating or whatever. Instead of comparing with the Ascii files, they
                          said in
                          that great paleo journal E&E that MBH had made mistakes.
                          Florence was good – only rained 2 days and we had a great time. Hope you can make
                          it in
                          April.
                          Cheers
                          Phil
                          At 00:02 27/10/2004, you wrote:
                          Dear Phil,
                          It was great to see you in Seattle. Hopefully I will (finally!) get a chance to
                          visit CRU in 2005.
                          Sorry about the mistakes in the Powerpoint file. Most of the info in the file
                          came from other IDAG members, so I’m blameless in this particular case. The IDAG
                          talk in Seattle went pretty well, although Michael Ghil asked a rather inane
                          question at the end of it.
                          Ken Sperber, Karl and I were asked yesterday to provide the U.S. DOE with a
                          quick assessment of recent criticism of the Mann et al. temperature
                          reconstruction. The DOE’s focus was on a web article by Richard Muller, a
                          physics professor at U.C. Berkeley. Muller, in turn, based his criticism on the
                          unpublished web material of McIntyre and McKitrick. Muller is a member of the
                          DOE-funded “Jasons” group, so he’s a pretty big cheese. His web article was
                          absolutely appalling. He made no attempt to be balanced and fair. I’m really
                          dismayed that Mike has to put up with this kind of stuff…
                          Hope you and Ruth are having a good time in Florence.
                          With best regards,
                          Ben
                          Phil Jones wrote:
                          >
                          > Ben,
                          > Here’s the paper with Adrian (and diagrams separately) that has been
                          > accepted by
                          > JGR and also the ERA-40 report. Maybe they might be of use in some aspect
                          > of the
                          > CCSP report.
                          > Thanks for the ppt files you gave. A couple of things to correct you
                          > on. 1. The Atmos Obs
                          > chapter is #3 not #6. #6 is paleo and Keith is involved in that. Keith is
                          > due to write the bit
                          > on the last 1-2K years and I’ll be helping with that as I’m the link
                          > between the two chapters.
                          > 2. The Jones (2004) piece is about the very cold period of the 1740s -
                          > the biggest interdecade
                          > change in the CET record. There was something else, but It can’t be that
                          > important. I’ve left
                          > my notes and laptop at home today.
                          > It was good to see you again and passed on your best to Ruth. We’re
                          > off at 3pm today for
                          > our week’s holiday in Florence. Hope you can make it here in the Spring.
                          >
                          > Sending to Tom as well ! I’ll also reply to Tom shortly about his email.
                          >
                          > Cheers
                          > Phil
                          >
                          > Prof. Phil Jones
                          > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
                          > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
                          > University of East Anglia
                          > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
                          > NR4 7TJ
                          > UK
                          > —————————————————————————-
                          >
                          > ——————————————————————————–
                          > Name: crupaper2.pdf
                          > crupaper2.pdf Type: Portable Document Format (application/pdf)
                          > Encoding: base64
                          >
                          > Name: crupaper_figs.pdf
                          > crupaper_figs.pdf Type: Portable Document Format (application/pdf)
                          > Encoding: base64
                          >
                          > Name: ERA40_PRS18.pdf
                          > ERA40_PRS18.pdf Type: Portable Document Format (application/pdf)
                          > Encoding: base64

                          —————————————————————————-
                          Benjamin D. Santer
                          Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison
                          Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
                          P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103
                          Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A.
                          Tel: (925) 422-2486
                          FAX: (925) 422-7675
                          email: santer1@llnl.gov

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                          • #14
                            http://junkscience.com/2011/11/27/cl...annot-be-done/

                            Climategate 2.0: Wigley — ‘Quantifying climate sensitivity cannot be done’
                            Posted on November 27, 2011 by Steve Milloy | 1 Comment
                            Yet another damning admission from a top alarmist.

                            From the Climategate 2.0 collection, Tom Wigley e-mails Keith Briffa and Simon Tett (UK Met Office) and pretty much condemns the possibility of quantifying climate sensitivity (presumably to human forcing):

                            Paleo data cannot inform us *directly* about how the climate sensitivity (as climate sensitivity is defined). Note the stressed word. The whole point here is that the text cannot afford to make statements that are manifestly incorrect. This is *not* mere pedantry. If you can tell me where or why the above statement is wrong, then please do so.

                            Quantifying climate sensitivity from real world data cannot even be done using present-day data, including satellite data. If you think that one could do better with paleo data, then you’re fooling yourself. This is fine, but there is no need to try to fool others by making extravagant claims.

                            Read the e-mail exchange:

                            cc: Simon Tett
                            date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:30:43 -0600 (MDT)
                            from: Tom Wigley
                            subject: Re: PRESCIENT: Draft plan — updated
                            to: Keith Briffa
                            Keith and Simon (and no-one else),
                            Paleo data cannot inform us *directly* about how the climate sensitivity
                            (as climate sensitivity is defined). Note the stressed word. The whole
                            point here is that the text cannot afford to make statements that are
                            manifestly incorrect. This is *not* mere pedantry. If you can tell me
                            where or why the above statement is wrong, then please do so.
                            Quantifying climate sensitivity from real world data cannot even be done
                            using present-day data, including satellite data. If you think that one
                            could do better with paleo data, then you’re fooling yourself. This is
                            fine, but there is no need to try to fool others by making extravagant
                            claims.
                            Tom

                            On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Keith Briffa wrote:
                            > Dear all ,
                            > I should first say that I have communicating directly with Simon on a
                            > few points, but realize that it is better to send these comments to
                            > everyone. My only feeling now is that we are tinkering too much at the
                            > margins and have passed the point of diminishing returns for this effort
                            > some time ago. As long as the plan does not give a false impression of
                            > exclusion to some of the community , it is time to get it out. The open
                            > meeting will provide an opportunity for soliciting the full range of
                            > potential proposals. The SSC will then have to decide on the balance of
                            > priorities. The plan expresses the rationale of the Thematic Programme well
                            > enough now.
                            > In the area of pedantry, however, I do not like the inclusion of the
                            > statement
                            > saying that palaeo -data are not likely to be able to inform us directly about
                            > climate sensitivity . This is a moot point , and even if true , is not needed.
                            > However, I do feel we need to put a limit on discussion and issue this call
                            > now.
                            > At 04:22 PM 6/30/00 +0100, Simon Tett wrote:
                            > >Dear All,
                            > > I got some more faxed comments from Tom and have incorporated
                            > > them into
                            > >the draft. I attach it for you all to look at.
                            > >Tom made two comments which I think need to be drawn to your attention.
                            > >
                            > >1) The current draft has a tone that suggests that model development and
                            > >simulations would not be funded by PRESCIENT. I don’t think that was our
                            > >intention so I’ve added some text which I hope reduces that danger. Some
                            > >of that added text is ugly! (it was friday after all!) Please let me
                            > >know what you think!
                            > >
                            > >2) Tom also made a comment about paleo-estimates of climate sensitivity
                            > >– the current text reflects (I hope) his faxed comment. However, I
                            > >don’t think I agree with it! Comments please.
                            > >
                            > >3) The draft contains various comments which I’d appreciate responses on
                            > >as well.
                            > >
                            > >Simon
                            >
                            > –
                            > Dr. Keith Briffa, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia,
                            > Norwich, NR4 7TJ, United Kingdom
                            > Phone: +44-1603-592090 Fax: +44-1603-507784
                            >
                            >
                            ************************************************** ********
                            Tom M.L. Wigley
                            Senior Scientist
                            ACACIA Program Director
                            National Center for Atmospheric Research
                            P.O. Box 3000
                            Boulder, CO 80307-3000
                            USA
                            Phone: 303-497-2690
                            Fax: 303-497-2699
                            E-mail: wigley@ucar.edu
                            Web: http://www.acacia.ucar.edu
                            ************************************************** ********

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                            ONE RESPONSE TO CLIMATEGATE 2.0: WIGLEY — ‘QUANTIFYING CLIMATE SENSITIVITY CANNOT BE DONE’

                            Steve E | November 28, 2011 at 10:33 pm | Reply
                            It would seem Wigley didn’t trust Briffa much at all.
                            Ouch! This one had to hurt! Wigley asks Briffa if he’s hiding something.

                            email 1017.txt-

                            date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:24:43 -0600 (MDT)
                            from: ???@ucar.edu
                            subject: [Fwd: CCNet: “COLLAPSE TO NEAR ZERO?” EUROPE’S CARBON CREDITS MAY
                            to: ???@uea.ac.uk

                            Keith,

                            See the last item. Why don’t you just give these people the raw data?
                            Are you hiding something — your apparent refusal to be forthcoming sure
                            makes it look as though you are.

                            Tom.
                            ==========

                            The last item referred to above is this:

                            (10) AND FINALLY: SCIENCE SHENANGIGANS GO ON
                            Steve McIntyre, 9 May 2006

                            It’s the last item in a list of news items originally sent by Benny Peiser to a “cambridge-conference” email address and then forwarded by Tom Wigley at UCAR to Keith Briffa at UEA.

                            The item refers to this post at CA: http://climateaudit.org/2006/05/09/m...-confidential/

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chook 56 View Post
                              I'll enjoy a pumpkin scone to mark the event
                              I think the symbolism of doing it on the eve of World AIDS day was not unintentional.

                              If it stops promiscuity within the gay community then I support it whole-heartedly.

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