Richard Branson for PM.

[Guest]

I don't know of any country that has succeeded in getting rid of illegal drugs by legislation, correct me if I am wrong.
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Portugal. the legalistation of drugs has seen dependency rates go down.

[melon....]

Melon.
You make some good points & I agree with most of what you say.
I don't use, either. Never have, but the legal system is not working in cutting use of these narcotics.
I don't know of any country that has succeeded in getting rid of illegal drugs by legislation, correct me if I am wrong.
In places that have introduced the death penalty for supply and/or use it just makes them go deeper underground & pushes the price up along with the crime rate for users trying to satisfy their needs.

What IS the answer? I have NFI. I just know that everything that has been tried so far has had VERY little impact.

How about some real hard penalties for drug dealing? I believe Death is offered in Indo. maybe there's a lesson learnt there?

But our politically correct Greens would never allow harsh penalties like 20-30 years behind bars, let alone the death penalty.

The reality is yourll never get rid of them...but by God Please dont make it easy for a kid to buy it over the counter.

[chook 56]

Portugal. the legalistation of drugs has seen dependency rates go down.

Sorry, meant to say that introducing harsher laws (death penalty) helped bring the dependency rates down?

[Guest]

No. I would not declare to writing a sceenplay and a book (sic?) on a RL forum.
Also i would not have facile platitudes as my sig.
What other paradigms reward psychopathy? I hope you are not writing things to make money.......or is the reward something more honourable like love of knowledge or the belief that what you have to say needs to be heard????....some psychosis

lol yet you continue to beg for acceptance on a RL forum. You're a strange little one. Try as you might to partake in a conversation you inevitably resort to what you think works, goading people. I keep telling you all you have to do is ask for acceptance.

Ask little one.

Chook.

[Guest]

How about some real hard penalties for drug dealing? I believe Death is offered in Indo. maybe there's a lesson learnt there?

But our politically correct Greens would never allow harsh penalties like 20-30 years behind bars, let alone the death penalty.

The reality is yourll never get rid of them...but by God Please dont make it easy for a kid to buy it over the counter.

Mandatory sentencing in the US has not worked to stem even the weakest of drug trades that being cannabis. History tells us that prohibition does not work. I agree education is the key and that warnings on certain products are advisable. But we do that now with smokes, gambling, alcohol, Russian cars etc, yet for all the detrimental affects they have on society, those industries are continuing to prosper.

That kid you're talking about stopping them buying it over the counter will only buy it in the laneway mate. The education you speak of starts and stops with the parents. I commend you having a no drugs stance with your kids. I would prefer my kids do not do drugs. But as I know they will more than likely experience them at some stage, I have repeatedly said to my two that I would prefer they experience them at home in an environment where they feel safe and comfortable.

Chook.

[Guest]

Even though I might be channelling Chook here, I've always believed that illicit drugs are used to keep the majority of the population (i.E., the dregs or Droogs if you will) sedated. Situations like Occupy: Whatever and the occasional native uprising (like with the one Gillard didn't know about) are small beer compared to what a sober and reasonably rational mass revolution would be like. Harken back to the French Revolution and the 1917 Uprising in Russia for what would happen.

The powers that be (that keep themselves in splendour and security) let the bag snatches, shootings, stabbings and other low level drug related crime go because it's within the right (read: lower) classes. As long as they're not affected by the effects of the crime, they don't care. It's only the tabloids, toilet traders and former cab drivers who inflame the passions of the doped white mice.

[melon....]

Mandatory sentencing in the US has not worked to stem even the weakest of drug trades that being cannabis. History tells us that prohibition does not work. I agree education is the key and that warnings on certain products are advisable. But we do that now with smokes, gambling, alcohol, Russian cars etc, yet for all the detrimental affects they have on society, those industries are continuing to prosper.

That kid you're talking about stopping them buying it over the counter will only buy it in the laneway mate. The education you speak of starts and stops with the parents. I commend you having a no drugs stance with your kids. I would prefer my kids do not do drugs. But as I know they will more than likely experience them at some stage, I have repeatedly said to my two that I would prefer they experience them at home in an environment where they feel safe and comfortable.

Chook.

I see your point Chook. And I do agree to date prohibition doesnt work and education is the key. But what have we as a society with children got to gain by allowing drugs to be purchased openly? Do we control teh quality? Do we stem the addiction rates?

I know we take food out of teh crims mouth by legalising it and we take the "dangers" associated with buying it undercover out of the equation. But is there really a benefit in continuing to tolerate drugs?

In the end you are correct with the fact that its really education and the Parents duty to best inform their kids. And like you I expect mine to probably sample something when they are older. I want the unlikelihood of that experimentation occuring to become the norm.

[Guest]

The status quo has failed..

[Guest]

I commend you having a no drugs stance with your kids. I would prefer my kids do not do drugs. But as I know they will more than likely experience them at some stage, I have repeatedly said to my two that I would prefer they experience them at home in an environment where they feel safe and comfortable.

Chook.

Reads straight from a Dr Phil show. "I commend you...." lol. Keep educating us o magnanimous oracle

[Pass the Ball]

And like you I expect mine to probably sample something when they are older. I want the unlikelihood of that experimentation occuring to become the norm.

Heaven forbid your child was caught sampling, would you have some sort of understanding in the situation, or would you continue your zero tolerance/harsh penalty stance, and expect hard time to be served or even the death penalty..??

Or is that thought only for other peoples children?

[Guest]

Heaven forbid your child was caught sampling, would you have some sort of understanding in the situation, or would you continue your zero tolerance/harsh penalty stance, and expect hard time to be served or even the death penalty..??

Or is that thought only for other peoples children?

I think he would have to give them a good beating. That will stop them.

[melon....]

Heaven forbid your child was caught sampling, would you have some sort of understanding in the situation, or would you continue your zero tolerance/harsh penalty stance, and expect hard time to be served or even the death penalty..??

Or is that thought only for other peoples children?

Dont be a coq. I think youll find the death penalty would be aimed at Big Dealers, not kids.

Talk about misunderstand.

[melon....]

I think he would have to give them a good beating. That will stop them.

**** off Axel.

[Guest]

I see your point Chook. And I do agree to date prohibition doesnt work and education is the key. But what have we as a society with children got to gain by allowing drugs to be purchased openly? Do we control teh quality? Do we stem the addiction rates?

I know we take food out of teh crims mouth by legalising it and we take the "dangers" associated with buying it undercover out of the equation. But is there really a benefit in continuing to tolerate drugs?

In the end you are correct with the fact that its really education and the Parents duty to best inform their kids. And like you I expect mine to probably sample something when they are older. I want the unlikelihood of that experimentation occuring to become the norm.

It's interesting that you mention tolerance as a societies level of tolerance is an ever shifting beast imo. It wasn't that long ago homosexuality was not tolerated, nor communists, blacks, jews etc, yet now they are part and parcel of our norm. And I believe drugs will eventually follow the same path to acceptance.

Chook.

[Guest]

It's ridiculous,outdated dogma that holds society back..

America has had the death penalty for most of it's existence,yet it's drug problems are as bad as any nations..

Policing drugs doesn't work..I wish it did,but it plainly does not..

Turning down the massive revenue taxing drugs would bring into the economy makes no sense to me..