Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[Paddo Colt 61]

* It's irony MR. I lifted it from Menadue. You know that "weird shit malarky" site that Bob Carr, Paul Keating, Barry Jones, Brian Toohey and a regiment of academics contribute to. Curiously it doesn't feature the things that the MSM does like car smashes, suburban crime and the Matildas.

* No I haven't seen that set of Commo rules Jax because Russia is not a Communist country. Duh!!!

* FGS KIng, "I saw" not "I seen". And you can't blame ordinary people who want to return to a time when they were happy - you party pooper you.
Gulags my arse. More US grey area stuff from the past. Like I said, when power shifts there are losers (usually the rich and previously powerful) and usually they are so incensed that they are prepared to do time or worse for playing up (not accepting the result in RL parlance). They're on the wrong side of History is what they are.
Google the promises made to Gorby - it's all out there along with the Tiananmen true story as exposed by enemy No.1 - Julian Assange.

* My Marxist inclination is not relevant here. Again, all I have insisted on from this thread's get go is that Russia has a security case and the US is bad news.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

* It's irony MR. I lifted it from Menadue. You know that "weird shit malarky" site that Bob Carr, Paul Keating, Barry Jones, Brian Toohey and a regiment of academics contribute to. Curiously it doesn't feature the things that the MSM does like car smashes, suburban crime and the Matildas.

* No I haven't seen that set of Commo rules Jax because Russia is not a Communist country. Duh!!!

* FGS KIng, "I saw" not "I seen". And you can't blame ordinary people who want to return to a time when they were happy - you party pooper you.
Gulags my arse. More US grey area stuff from the past. Like I said, when power shifts there are losers (usually the rich and previously powerful) and usually they are so incensed that they are prepared to do time or worse for playing up (not accepting the result in RL parlance). They're on the wrong side of History is what they are.
Google the promises made to Gorby - it's all out there along with the Tiananmen true story as exposed by enemy No.1 - Julian Assange.

* My Marxist inclination is not relevant here. Again, all I have insisted on from this thread's get go is that Russia has a security case and the US is bad news.

With your blind paranoia against western values (political and media) it's never quite clear which dictatorship you are championing.

To whit, all your fancies are dictatorships.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Russia is a "Democracy" as is China in it's own way. As is Singapore. You think ours is superior when the MSM blatantly supports one party, 90% of voters have no interest and no knowledge of issues whatsoevah and when change looks too threatening to rich men's self interest, we have Coup d'Etat? Get real.

[Random Rooster]

Mmmm....doesn't mention Wagner specifically but, anyway, what if there was/is some sort of troop loyalty commitment? It's you making some sinister inference. I'd imagine that the ADF has something of the sort. I do know of one, for certain, that Academi (aka Blackwater) would loudly proclaim - "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the US and the republic for which it stands" (Hand on heart - God is on their side you know). You presumably see little wrong with that one but you're a little suspicious of anyone else's.

Oh c'mon Paddo- its 2 days after the plane has gone down and there's tens of thousands of Wagner troops without any leaders. You know exactly who it is referring to but you still choose to deny and deflect.

Here i was thinking you may give me credit for getting my information from a direct source and instead you go all bananas sinister inference on me. Give a underdog a break hey....i didn't finish year 10 and you made it to school teacher!

[King Salvo]

Comrade Paddo's unwavering support for any so-called leaders, past and present, is fundamental to socialist and communist brainwashing - Follow the Leader without Question

The following was also backed up in Gorbachev's Book that there was no agreement or any discussion on NATO enlargement - just more fictional nonsense from Comrade Paddo's dubious sources - i.e Menadue's Malarkey site

During the 1990 summit, Zoellick says President Gorbachev accepted the idea of German unification within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, based on the principle that every country should freely choose its own alliances.

“I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO,” Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany’s unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s justifications for invading Ukraine — that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.


https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-...-enlarge-nato/

[mightyrooster]

* It's irony MR. I lifted it from Menadue. You know that "weird shit malarky" site that Bob Carr, Paul Keating, Barry Jones, Brian Toohey and a regiment of academics contribute to. Curiously it doesn't feature the things that the MSM does like car smashes, suburban crime and the Matildas.

* No I haven't seen that set of Commo rules Jax because Russia is not a Communist country. Duh!!!

* FGS KIng, "I saw" not "I seen". And you can't blame ordinary people who want to return to a time when they were happy - you party pooper you.
Gulags my arse. More US grey area stuff from the past. Like I said, when power shifts there are losers (usually the rich and previously powerful) and usually they are so incensed that they are prepared to do time or worse for playing up (not accepting the result in RL parlance). They're on the wrong side of History is what they are.
Google the promises made to Gorby - it's all out there along with the Tiananmen true story as exposed by enemy No.1 - Julian Assange.

* My Marxist inclination is not relevant here. Again, all I have insisted on from this thread's get go is that Russia has a security case and the US is bad news.

It’s parody and exaggeration to make a point. A very funny and good point but it’s not meant to be 100% accurate. It’s a bit like that song That’s Queensland which suggests that QLD consists of parts of NSW, PNG etc simply because players from these areas choose to call themselves QLDers for the purposes of playing SOO. Irony on the other hand is the fact that you accept everything that comes out of Putin’s mouth as fact yet ridicule everyone else as sheeple for accepting any anti Russian reports in the MSM.

[Rooster1908]

It’s parody and exaggeration to make a point. A very funny and good point but it’s not meant to be 100% accurate. It’s a bit like that song That’s Queensland which suggests that QLD consists of parts of NSW, PNG etc simply because players from these areas choose to call themselves QLDers for the purposes of playing SOO. Irony on the other hand is the fact that you accept everything that comes out of Putin’s mouth as fact yet ridicule everyone else as sheeple for accepting any anti Russian reports in the MSM.

This is the only bloke I have on ignore. He is a parody himself . He is the sheepie as you say and the fact he claims to live in oz goes against everything he claims to believe in . A coward to the highest degree if he believes putrid to be on the correct side of history but he himself sits here instead of over there defending the great man

[King Salvo]

Comrade Paddo, a Marxist who would have guessed

My wife, through every year of school and even in university in the Soviet Union, had to undertake compulsory subjects in the history of the Soviet Union and Marxist and Leninist theory and ideology.

I asked her if there was anything new taught about these. No, it was just repeated and repeated the same things every year. That is what brainwashing is: telling people the same things over and over again until they believe them as fact and prevent them from ever questioning any of this.

One thing that was barely taught about was Stalin, for obvious reasons

Comrade Paddo's hero Putin is slowly but surely rehabilitating Stalin, calling him a great leader, and now Stalin is back on the school curriculum in Russia, omitting the crimes committed under Stalin's rule: Gulags/Purges/Non Aggression pact with Nazi Germany, forced famines and collectivization, invasion of Poland and Finland, etc.

[King Salvo]

It's strange that a Marxist Anti-Capitalist like Comrade Paddo would ever want to reside in the Capitalist West that this ideology despises.

Comrade Paddo is still hoping for the following to occur.

Marx said that capitalists had alienated the worker from the results of his labour, forcing him to become "enslaved by the machine." This exploitation, argued Marx, would soon bring about a new class struggle that would end with the "violent overthrow" of the bourgeoisie by the proletariat.

Of course it ended in the opposite with Capitalism triumphing over the failed ideology that Marxism was and is.

Like a Quote by Confederate States of America President Jefferson Davis " If the Confederacy fails, there should be written on its tombstone: Died of a Theory" - the same can be said of Marxism

"If Marxism fails, there should be written on its tombstone: Died of a Theory"

[Paddo Colt 61]

* Whoah,,,easy on the patriotism 08. Okay I believe you are 100% true blue alright - and boring by the way.

* King: That appalling education system that your wife experienced that got her a med degree sounds very much like the US one - myths repeated to the point were they become fact - The Alamo, freedom and equality. God on our side etc but leave out the 200 years of enslaving other human beings and dispossession of the indigenes. A lot like ours as well - Cappy Cook, Macquarie, John Batman, Invasion,WW1 - the blacks not happy with the first four but fcuk 'em, whingers.
* You are distorting things again and putting words in my mouth. In 90% of the world Communism is not a dirty word but you'd rather accept the views of the rich who own the media and have been rabidly anti Communist since 1917. They were prescient you think? They weren't concerned about a changed paradigm that would affect their power and influence?
* Someone is wrong about the "not one inch" and I'll bet that it is your Right wing source - Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).
* Stick to Baseball buddy.

[King Salvo]

Nonsense There was no discussion on NATO expansions, which was confirmed in Gorbachev's own book.

All those former Soviet satellite countries voted on mass to be independent, and as such, they have the right to determine their own futures and apply to join any organisation they so wish, free from the shackles and control of Moscow.

One has to say that joining NATO makes good sense when you look at Russia's actions post-Soviet Union: the invasions of Chechnya (twice), Georgia, and now Ukraine.

The trouble with you, Comrade Paddo, is that you know very little about what you post here and have even admitted that you know little about Russia and Putin.

You just post things from a dubious far-left website in Menadue's Malarkey to back up your failed Marxist anti-capitalist west views.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Following the playbook of the US, Kingsley repeats and repeats "facts" free of any context. Our ADF ex officer at #844 describes the tactic, among others, in a nutshell.

Others might be interested to know that Communism has not "failed" in the world although it was eventually strangled in Russia by the USA which has never allowed any Socialist government to stand or fall on its own merits. In India there are just 3 states that have achieved 100% literacy - Kerala, West Bengal and Tripura - All 3 are Communist (Maoist). They do great things for ordinary people. Here, the Greens are the best option for the Sheeple but we're never gonna see them doing good. Murdoch declared war on them editorially long ago.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Following the playbook of the US, Kingsley repeats and repeats "facts" free of any context. Our ADF ex officer at #844 describes the tactic, among others, in a nutshell.

Others might be interested to know that Communism has not "failed" in the world although it was eventually strangled in Russia by the USA which has never allowed any Socialist government to stand or fall on its own merits. In India there are just 3 states that have achieved 100% literacy - Kerala, West Bengal and Tripura - All 3 are Communist (Maoist). They do great things for ordinary people. Here, the Greens are the best option for the Sheeple but we're never gonna see them doing good. Murdoch declared war on them editorially long ago.

I think the Greens themselves declared war on common sense and reason some time ago. Just a protest group nowadays, not a genuine political party. Even the left of the Labor Party are done with them.

[Random Rooster]

I think the Greens themselves declared war on common sense and reason some time ago. Just a protest group nowadays, not a genuine political party. Even the left of the Labor Party are done with them.

Problem is support for the Greens is on the up- the last election was their best ever result. A lacklustre performance of the two major partys contributed to the Greens result- they gained at the expense of Labor and the Teals targeted and gained on the Liberals.

The Australian political landscape is slowly changing every election cycle and the introduction of first time voters. Personally, I miss the old days of 4 TV channels, 2 daily papers, Frank Hyde on 2SM ,people voted Liberal or Labor, a scrum was a contest, you could tap the ball and run if there was no marker and set plays that involved hiding the ball.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I feel that yours is an extreme view of the Greens, a Sky view really. Suggests that you don't know anything about them, choosing not to know of course. Must avoid contamination mustn't we?

And Randy I think you'll find that they're a growing movement, kids are made very aware of the environment in schools. Better educated people vote for them. Those people talk to other people. Females, our nurturers, are especially impressed.

Interesting snapshot of the past though. Standing level withe ruck in D, kicking duels, unlimited possession was our game in the early 60s. The evolution is astounding and the quality equally so.

Was thinking about Frank Hyde recently. I used to go watch the game, then straight back home, settle on the carpet in front of the radiogram and listen to his broadcast replay. I heard his description of a collision involving our great 50s Fullback, "Straw" Andrew (Came from Souffs) and Newtown's Barry Oakley that left Straw with a broken neck. Never played again of course but I used to see him at Maroubra seemingly fine apart from the spinal scar.

People voted Liberal or Labor. It was the same old bullshit every election. Having created the Red fear Menzies cultivated it and it figured in just about every election. Australians were wide eyed, poorly educated and culturally deprived as they still are. Tabloids were widely read and Menzies would pull a stunt two weeks out and the media would get behind it and there was optimism after the Depression and the War. The more things change eh?
It was a duller time. Imagine life without computers, high def giant TVs, mobile phones etc...etc.There were no restaurants, cafes, apart from the local Chinese. The Toffs of course had few restaurants in the cityIt hadn't changed much from my grandfather's time. Nothing like today's traffic but that had changed - motor cars. I have a photo of him on the Pyrmont Bridge in a horse drawn traffic jamb. He was a Carter from Balmain and ofen carted corpses (in coffins) to the Regent Street funeral station bound for Rookwood (as in "Crook as..."). Much quieter time if you steered clear of the Pyrmont Bridge,