Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[A Country Member]

Boo!

[Paddo Colt 61]

Of course Jax is never gonna believe anything but US propaganda, he's been conditioned over many years so his responses are Pavlovian like most consumers of the MSM. You can't expect any different from someone who lives in a blue ribbon working class electorate but votes Tory - too far gone!

[mightyrooster]

Of course Jax is never gonna believe anything but US propaganda, he's been conditioned over many years so his responses are Pavlovian like most consumers of the MSM. You can't any different from someone who lives in a blue ribbon working class electorate but votes Tory - too far gone!

So Putin has had nothing to do with these tragic accidents then? Glad you addressed that issue Paddo.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Who knows? The Skripal poisoning in Britain was quite probably the work of MI6. The British establishment is a long time bitter enemy of Russia and US grey zone propaganda is ubiquitous.

This from Cameron Leckie, a former officer in the ADF.

Australia is a willing protagonist in supporting the grey-zone operations of the United States. We are exposed to it every day through the media, politicians, commentators and think tanks such as the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI). The mechanism is a managed narrative that manipulates, exaggerates and amplifies negative stories on target countries such as China and Russia whilst ignoring important stories that expose the misdeeds of Australia’s allies.
Specific tactics include accepting as fact unproven allegations, failing to ask obvious questions when the official story has logical and factual inconsistencies, omitting important and relevant context, ignoring the legitimate concerns of other nations, the use of pejorative and delegitimising language, hypocrisy and double standards, labelling as propaganda/fake news/disinformation inconvenient evidence, naming those who question the official narrative as conspiracy theorists/apologists/denialists/puppets/useful idiots, a complete lack of scepticism of official sources with a track record for deception and constant repetition.
Concrete examples abound including Russiagate, Ukraine and Crimea, MH17, Syria, chemical weapons attacks (the Skripal’s, Navalny, Douma), Hong Kong, the South China Sea and the Uighurs along with many more of a less significant nature.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Of course Jax is never gonna believe anything but US propaganda, he's been conditioned over many years so his responses are Pavlovian like most consumers of the MSM. You can't any different from someone who lives in a blue ribbon working class electorate but votes Tory - too far gone!

And the usual resort of the lefties when they're lunacy is called out....play da man!

You could fair dinkum set your clock by it.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

So Putin has had nothing to do with these tragic accidents then? Glad you addressed that issue Paddo.

Facts can get very inconvenient for the same people singing from the same old songsheet MR. Best avoided.

[mightyrooster]

Who knows? The Skripal poisoning in Britain was quite probably the work of MI6. The British establishment is a long time bitter enemy of Russia and US grey zone propaganda is ubiquitous.

This from Cameron Leckie, a former officer in the ADF.

Australia is a willing protagonist in supporting the grey-zone operations of the United States. We are exposed to it every day through the media, politicians, commentators and think tanks such as the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI). The mechanism is a managed narrative that manipulates, exaggerates and amplifies negative stories on target countries such as China and Russia whilst ignoring important stories that expose the misdeeds of Australia’s allies.
Specific tactics include accepting as fact unproven allegations, failing to ask obvious questions when the official story has logical and factual inconsistencies, omitting important and relevant context, ignoring the legitimate concerns of other nations, the use of pejorative and delegitimising language, hypocrisy and double standards, labelling as propaganda/fake news/disinformation inconvenient evidence, naming those who question the official narrative as conspiracy theorists/apologists/denialists/puppets/useful idiots, a complete lack of scepticism of official sources with a track record for deception and constant repetition.
Concrete examples abound including Russiagate, Ukraine and Crimea, MH17, Syria, chemical weapons attacks (the Skripal’s, Navalny, Douma), Hong Kong, the South China Sea and the Uighurs along with many more of a less significant nature.

All very good and I’m not disagreeing with you on that. But on this particular incident are you suggesting that the US and its allies tampered with the plane to make it look like poor old Vlad was behind it? Or it was just an act of God? Or is the whole thing just an illusion? You’ve got to admit that Vlad would be most pleased with the days events even if he had nothing to do with it.

[Paddo Colt 61]

The short answer is that I don't know but I'm certainly not going to accept the word of the US via our MSM on anything at all especially if ideology is at play. Does WMD ring a bell? How about Tiananmen Square? Poor old Julian Assange knows what happens to truth tellers. Our media is owned by the rich, powerful and Right Wing, anti Russia and China to a man.

The only thing you have to fear is your cognitive dissonance.

In Jax's case it's not "playing da man" it's more a case of playing Sky News and The Tele.

[King Salvo]

Not even Hollywood could make up the bollocks Comrade Paddo posts on here.

Of Course Putin ordered the demise of Prigozhin the same as he has for a raft of other opponents and critics

Some of the main ones are listed below

• Boris Nemtsov
• Boris Berezovsky
• Stanislav Markelov
• Anastasia Baburova
• Sergei Magnitsky
• Natalia Estemirova
• Anna Politkovskaya
• Alexander Litvinenko
• Sergei Yushenkov
• Yuri Shchekochikhin
• Pavel Antov
• Ravil Maganov
• Dan Rapoport
• Mikhail Lesin
• Paul Klebnikov
• Alexei Navalny
• Vladimir Kara-Murza

In Soviet Union Times it was done on a factory scale with these type of folk either executed on the spot or sent to one of many work camps under the Gulag System and often worked to death - China and North Korea copied this Gulag System.

Comrade Paddo adoration of Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes like in the Former Soviet Union , Russia , China and North Korea has blinded him from the truth and strangely enough he thinks the big bad west are behind it all - that Menadue's Malarkey site has really done it's job brainwashing him

He obviously lives in a parallel universe

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Not even Hollywood could make up the bollocks Comrade Paddo posts on here.

Of Course Putin ordered the demise of Prigozhin the same as he has for a raft of other opponents and critics

Some of the main ones are listed below

• Boris Nemtsov
• Boris Berezovsky
• Stanislav Markelov
• Anastasia Baburova
• Sergei Magnitsky
• Natalia Estemirova
• Anna Politkovskaya
• Alexander Litvinenko
• Sergei Yushenkov
• Yuri Shchekochikhin
• Pavel Antov
• Ravil Maganov
• Dan Rapoport
• Mikhail Lesin
• Paul Klebnikov
• Alexei Navalny
• Vladimir Kara-Murza

In Soviet Union Times it was done on a factory scale with these type of folk either executed on the spot or sent to one of many work camps under the Gulag System and often worked to death - China and North Korea copied this Gulag System.

Comrade Paddo adoration of Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes like in the Former Soviet Union , Russia , China and North Korea has blinded him from the truth and strangely enough he thinks the big bad west are behind it all - that Menadue's Malarkey site has really done it's job brainwashing him

He obviously lives in a parallel universe

I guess its just possible that Joe Biden himself has pushed these people from tall buildings, drowned them and made them shoot themselves.

Unlikely maybe, but possible...this is the Paranoid Colts point.

[mightyrooster]

Not even Hollywood could make up the bollocks Comrade Paddo posts on here.

Of Course Putin ordered the demise of Prigozhin the same as he has for a raft of other opponents and critics

Some of the main ones are listed below

• Boris Nemtsov
• Boris Berezovsky
• Stanislav Markelov
• Anastasia Baburova
• Sergei Magnitsky
• Natalia Estemirova
• Anna Politkovskaya
• Alexander Litvinenko
• Sergei Yushenkov
• Yuri Shchekochikhin
• Pavel Antov
• Ravil Maganov
• Dan Rapoport
• Mikhail Lesin
• Paul Klebnikov
• Alexei Navalny
• Vladimir Kara-Murza

In Soviet Union Times it was done on a factory scale with these type of folk either executed on the spot or sent to one of many work camps under the Gulag System and often worked to death - China and North Korea copied this Gulag System.

Comrade Paddo adoration of Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes like in the Former Soviet Union , Russia , China and North Korea has blinded him from the truth and strangely enough he thinks the big bad west are behind it all - that Menadue's Malarkey site has really done it's job brainwashing him

He obviously lives in a parallel universe

All a teeny weeny coincidence I’m sure Salvo.

[A Country Member]

Yeah, nah..
there hasn’t been any political assassinations in the US.
Only four sitting US presidents have been killed. A further four have had unsuccessful attempts on their lives.

Our Cuban comrade Fidel Castro has reportedly had over 600 assassination attempts, all unsuccessful. But it wouldn’t have been the US, nah.. they’re good mates!

[Paddo Colt 61]

It's certainly not paranoia, that's the easy slur, like conspiracy theorist. Did you read the Cameron Leckie comments on our media at #844?

Here, I'll repeat it for you, "accepting as fact unproven allegations ......omitting important and relevant context,......the use of pejorative and delegitimising language...... labelling as propaganda/fake news/disinformation inconvenient evidence, naming those who question the official narrative as conspiracy theorists/apologists/denialists/puppets/useful idiots, a complete lack of scepticism of official sources with a track record for deception and constant repetition" - Sounds a lot like King wouldn't you all agree?

The truth is that none of us know the truth when there is an ideological struggle going on. For Jax, King and Issy, their position is an act of faith that they cling to no matter what. I repeat, Does WMD ring a bell? An honest mistake or outright lie?

[Jacks Fur Coat]

It's an embarrassing and irrelevant point you guys are making though. What happened in another country previously (even if it did) is not part of this discussion. This latest commentary is about another violent act of a dictator...the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. And you two 'head in the sand' cats are in a tiny tiny minority even questioning this.

Roger Irrelevant....bring back Viz!

[Paddo Colt 61]

No, the point is that we (and you) are routinely lied to and the consequences are mortal for some like the hundreds of Iraqi boys buried alive by bulldozers in Desert Storm. How do you know this latest event is "the brutal act of a dictator"? That statement alone could have come out of the Tele. See? You don't know but you choose to believe it despite past experience of being lied to. That's the debate.

Actually, I'm not talking to you Jax, you're way too far gone. Arse out of your duds and seem to think that the Libs gave you Medicare, NDIS, Consumer protection and the Trade Practices Act. But you're from the regions so that's your excuse. What do they say? The further out the electorate the lower the IQ.