Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[mightyrooster]

Maybe you can clarify what you posted

" Have you not listened to me go on about how I hate the US sticking it's nose into everything and how I hate the US in general? "

Ok.
1. I have commented many times about how I hate, dislike, find it hypocritical, however you want to describe it, how the US criticises other nations, but is at the forefront itself in getting involved in wars and others nations’ business. To put it succinctly I often find the US government to be at the forefront of hypocrisy.

2. My initial comment was aimed at Paddo as I’m sick of him saying I’m a sheeple and disciple of America when I am in actual fact VERY aware of it’s hypocrisy and have spoken about this regularly to my family, friends, colleagues for as long as I can remember.

3. Because of point 2 and my general annoyance with Paddo for incorrectly calling me out AGAIN, my comments that I hate America in general were exaggerated. Apologies for that. It was done to get him off my case AGAIN. Turns out all I achieved was getting you on my case as well lol! I can laugh at it now.

4. I like American music, except for rap crap. I binge watch American TV series on streaming channels and have enjoyed watching many a Hollywood movie in my lifetime. In general I find Americans loud and brash and very very different to Aussies.

I hope this explains my comments.

Oh, also I hate the use of the rolling eyes emoji directed at me. I find it very condescending, which is why I used it in my reply to you. Very childish of me I know, but between Paddo and then you getting on my case, I had a little meltdown.

[Random Rooster]

* MR you make the mistake of taking the King seriously. Inferring that you are radical is delusional. Mollify him, say you hate all Americans but the Atlanta Braves.
* Randy. MOA uses a variety of sources including the MSM. Conspiracy site it ain’t. What you might find unpalatable is MoA’s The Prig wasn’t the leader of Wagner when the plane went down. He had just 5000 loyal followers..
* Let me get your position straight - You think the MSM is essentially reliable and credible and independent alternative sites are unreliable because their version of truth is at variance with the main stream/ That’s King’s and Izzy’s take.

MOA uses MSM as one of its news sources hey....does that make them more or less reputable???

I dont think anyone was upset to see Prigozhin and Wagners highest ranking leaders die in that plane crash- he will be burning in hell. If you believe Putin wasn't behind that plane crash then theres nothing i can say that will change your mind

[Paddo Colt 61]

But you don't know Randy, you're a dupe of the US propaganda fog. As I've pointed out Prigozhin would have a long list of enemies.

See, most would probably be believing the current smearing of Russell Brand by the MSM but last night's Media Watch exposed the arrant hypocrisy at play. He has 6 million web followers and he is anti establishment - enough said. The BBC is leading that charge, the Right having done the same job on it as they've done with the ABC.. Making both more "appealing to the general public" (ie dumbing down) and more Right Wing. Earlier it did the big job on Jeremy Corbin linking him with anti semitism because he was a supporter of the Palestinians.

You don't think "anyone was upset" about the Prig? That utterance shows how uncritically you swallow what our media serves up. "He's a war criminal" I can here you declare but we have a few of those, just a matter of scale is all, and I'm not just talking about Roberts- Smith, the Brereton findings have several yet to charge. I'm thinking the depth of animus that you feel toward them is nowhere near your disgust for The Prig of for anything Russian.

[Random Rooster]

But you don't know Randy, you're a dupe of the US propaganda fog. As I've pointed out Prigozhin would have a long list of enemies.

See, most would probably be believing the current smearing of Russell Brand by the MSM but last night's Media Watch exposed the arrant hypocrisy at play. He has 6 million web followers and he is anti establishment - enough said. The BBC is leading that charge, the Right having done the same job on it as they've done with the ABC.. Making both more "appealing to the general public" (ie dumbing down) and more Right Wing. Earlier it did the big job on Jeremy Corbin linking him with anti semitism because he was a supporter of the Palestinians.

You don't think "anyone was upset" about the Prig? That utterance shows how uncritically you swallow what our media serves up. "He's a war criminal" I can here you declare but we have a few of those, just a matter of scale is all, and I'm not just talking about Roberts- Smith, the Brereton findings have several yet to charge. I'm thinking the depth of animus that you feel toward them is nowhere near your disgust for The Prig of for anything Russian.

Paddo the way you bounce from one topic to another-i got to admit i probably dont have the intellect to know WTF you are talking about. Russell Brands 6 million followers are predominantly far right loonies. His youtube posts are full of conspiracy theories- really way out bullshit. So who is it trying to bring him down? BBC & the Left wing MSM? You might have to go a bit slower for me- i left school in year 10!

[King Salvo]

Comrade Paddo fails again to understand that his Putin was behind it, as he has been in the demise of a growing list of other adversaries: falling out of windows, being shot, being poisoned or jailed etc.

Saying we have been duped is a laugh when you consider he has been being duped from the time he supposedly became a Marxist and became brainwashed by books and, of course, the far-left internet websites he frequents.

His beloved Menadue's Marlakey and his new one, Moon Over Alabama, are far-left sites that are anti-Western and promote pro-Russian and Chinese propaganda, agendas, and conspiracy theories. Both are well known for the use of poor and untrustworthy sources, making false claims, and lacking any kind of transparency.

I doubt that Comrade Paddo knows what he is talking about most of the time, hence why he changes the topics so often and uses deflection to avoid being pinned down on any one topic where his lack of knowledge of the topic would be exposed.

I am waiting for his post that says the West/US/CIA/MI6/Mosad etc were behind the plane crash.

[A Country Member]

Further proof the US are using poor Ukrainians as fodder in their attempt to salvage world dominance.

What should alarm Australians is that they are planned to fight the US fight against China whilst saving them. Fk that.

Here is a view from US msm. They don’t even hide the fact that the Ukrainians are fighting their war against Russia. Albeit with an Aussie Apple with Ms Ed’s that would arouse Kling. Snap

[Paddo Colt 61]

Yep Count. Fighting to the last plucky Uke. The war is lost and who knew? Not too many MSM consumers that’s for sure.

[ism22]

His beloved Menadue's Marlakey and his new one, Moon Over Alabama, are far-left sites that are anti-Western and promote pro-Russian and Chinese propaganda, agendas, and conspiracy theories. Both are well known for the use of poor and untrustworthy sources, making false claims, and lacking any kind of transparency.

And here we go again... I dunno how to respond to a guy who calls the free press 'western propaganda' and places waaay too much emphasis on a blog that's full of blatant pro-Russia/China propaganda.

At some point I think we need to accept that he's probably not an actual defector. He's a bong smoking Greens voter (most are doomers who think we've destroyed the world beyond repair) who identifies with the far-left in the west and then agrees with far-right, authoritarian regimes in Russia/China.

It's an odd combo but it's kinda where the Greens are at right now. I mean in short they'll blaze up and be like:

- Environment's farked beyond repair. I'm sorry but there will be nothing left in 50 years time due to western greed/capitalism.

- Alternative? There is no alternative!!! Though I kinda like what China and Russia are doing because they also oppose western capitalism (ignoring the fact they're both capitalist regimes that pollute heavily).

- Need proof? Hahaha ooooh it's all around us!!! Assange and Snowden are the proof though. Those braaave whistleblowers dared to speak up and our corrupt western overlords destroyed them without any evidence. [Reality check... both are doing their best to avoid their day in court. This is all transparent. Meanwhile a REAL Australian journalist is being detained in China and all Putin's critics all seem to die of 'accidents'. Zero fark given about this and zero contrast will be made as it defeats their argument that western legal systems are corrupt/barbaric].

IMO this all stems from a 'we are dooooooomes and capitalism dooooomed us!!!' mentality as opposed to an actual desire to live in Russia/China. Russia/China are simply their only allies in saying the pillars of democracy are farked. It's a rabbit hole because we accept our flaws and our media airs them regularly. HOWEVER, saying 'everything is farked... we should turn to Russia/China's non-democratic systems of state-controlled capitalism' are a little bit farfetched IMO.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Sounds like you’ve made an early start today. Obviously there’s no point responding to this drivel.

I'm always surprised at the lauding of our Democracy. It’s like facts don’t count. How many Oz democrats would bother to vote if it wasn’t compulsory? 25% make up their “minds” in the polling booth which means that they haven’t expended a thought on what they are doing. Mmmmm…..now whom have I heard of? Ah, John Howard, he’s supposed to be the best we’ve ever had…..Other than that our privately owned MSM supports one side and always has done except when the proprietors’ business interests are stalled. But the jewel in the Democratic crown is the ability of a non elected person to sack the elected government.

What a prize! Certainly worth fighting and dying for and yez will probably get that chance before too much longer

[Random Rooster]

Sounds like you’ve made an early start today. Obviously there’s no point responding to this drivel.

I'm always surprised at the lauding of our Democracy. It’s like facts don’t count. How many Oz democrats would bother to vote if it wasn’t compulsory? 25% make up their “minds” in the polling booth which means that they haven’t expended a thought on what they are doing. Mmmmm…..now whom have I heard of? Ah, John Howard, he’s supposed to be the best we’ve ever had…..Other than that our privately owned MSM supports one side and always has done except when the proprietors’ business interests are stalled. But the jewel in the Democratic crown is the ability of a non elected person to sack the elected government.

What a prize! Certainly worth fighting and dying for and yez will probably get that chance before too much longer

Geez Paddo you really don't appreciate what you got. I hear there's Contiki tours exploring the great sights and sounds of Siberia. You should give it a go....who knows you may like it so much you will stay!

[King Salvo]

Comrade Paddo at his deflective best.

Privately owned MSM: Mmm, thankfully for us, the West doesn't have an equivalent Pravda/TASS, or, for that matter, the People's Daily or Xinhua News Agency.

You will have to make do with Menadue's Malarkey and Full Moon over Alabama for your daily dose of Marxist brainwashing, just like the rest of your anti-West Marxist brothers do.

I can't imagine Comrade Paddo visiting Siberia, but if he did, he should try the blue ice cream—the Power of Siberia, I think it was called—had it in Tomsk.

Russian Ice-cream is much creamier than what you find in the West due to the standardisation of the production and flavour from Soviet Times.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=King Salvo;
I can't imagine Comrade Paddo visiting Siberia, but if he did, he should try the blue ice cream the Power of Siberia, I think it was called—had it in Tomsk.
Russian Ice-cream is much creamier than what you find in the West due to the standardisation of the production and flavour from Soviet Times.

‘Like I say, Paradise Lost.

Privately owned media is not good - ever heard the phrase “power corrupts”? The Guardian is supported by people because it’s proprietor is a Trust but it,too,
is now untrustworthy. Played it’s part in crucifying Jeremy Corbin.

Russia, you all keep forgetting, is Capitalist. Why would one wanna go there?| what seems to escape you all is that the US is hostile to other Capitalists and it’s about dominant market share, same as WW1. Old Kingsley can’t shrug off the Cold War.
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[mightyrooster]

I wouldn’t describe Russia as purely capitalist.

[King Salvo]

For Comrade Paddo, the Cold War never ended, and Russia has oligarchic capitalism and is still very much influenced by socialist ideology and authoritarian plutocracy/oligarchy.

In Marxist states, everything is controlled by the state, including the media and the people, from the day they are born.

Comrade Paddo would be against private media ownership as Marxists consider these folk to be the bourgeoise from the so-called oppressive class and hell bent on destroying the workers paradise dream.

The so-called workers paradise dream turned into a nightmare for 10's of millions in the many work camps that made up the Gulaga Archipelago in the USSR, with most of the worst ones located in Siberia.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster;I wouldnt describe Russia as purely capitalist.

A mixed economy like Oz used to be and still is to a degree? I don’t know much about it except that McDonalds is there.which says something.

The salient point is that the King equates it with the Russia of the Cold War. It’s not totalitarian and never was really. if you use that term describe Russia, you don’t know what it means.

* King. Again, if you’re going to have a revolution on the class transference of power that Russia’s was, you can’t be half hearted. There will always be malcontents with powerful backers especially in the Capitalist world which gave us WW1. News Flash - wasn’t about freedom but was about Germany’s rising industrial might. sound familiar?
You would have thought Pinochet was right to throw trade unionists and teachers from helicopters. Right and wrong are merely two points of view.