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  • The following contradicts Comrade Paddo's version of events of Tiananmen Square and the plight of the Urghur's in his beloved China

    PRESS STATEMENT

    MICHAEL R. POMPEO, SECRETARY OF STATE / JUNE 3, 2019
    WASHINGTON, DC

    On June 4, we honor the heroic protest movement of the Chinese people that ended on June 4, 1989, when the Chinese Communist Party leadership sent tanks into Tiananmen Square to violently repress peaceful demonstrations calling for democracy, human rights, and an end to rampant corruption. The hundreds of thousands of protesters who gathered in Beijing and in other cities around China suffered grievously in pursuit of a better future for their country. The number of dead is still unknown. We express our deep sorrow to the families still grieving their lost loved ones, including the courageous Tiananmen Mothers, who have never stopped seeking accountability, despite great personal risk. The events of thirty years ago still stir our conscience, and the conscience of freedom-loving people around the world.

    Over the decades that followed, the United States hoped that China’s integration into the international system would lead to a more open, tolerant society. Those hopes have been dashed. China’s one-party state tolerates no dissent and abuses human rights whenever it serves its interests. Today, Chinese citizens have been subjected to a new wave of abuses, especially in Xinjiang, where the Communist Party leadership is methodically attempting to strangle Uighur culture and stamp out the Islamic faith, including through the detention of more than one million members of Muslim minority groups. Even as the party builds a powerful surveillance state, ordinary Chinese citizens continue to seek to exercise their human rights, organize independent unions, pursue justice through the legal system, and simply express their views, for which many are punished, jailed, and even tortured.

    We salute the heroes of the Chinese people who bravely stood up thirty years ago in Tiananmen Square to demand their rights. Their exemplary courage has served as an inspiration to future generations calling for freedom and democracy around the world, beginning with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of communism in Eastern Europe in the months that followed.

    We urge the Chinese government to make a full, public accounting of those killed or missing to give comfort to the many victims of this dark chapter of history. Such a step would begin to demonstrate the Communist Party’s willingness to respect human rights and fundamental freedoms. We call on China to release all those held for seeking to exercise these rights and freedoms, halt the use of arbitrary detention, and reverse counterproductive policies that conflate terrorism with religious and political expression. China’s own constitution stipulates that all power belongs to the people. History has shown that nations are stronger when governments are responsive to their citizens, respect the rule of law, and uphold human rights and fundamental freedoms.

    https://ml.usembassy.gov/on-the-30th...nanmen-square/


    https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn...uare-massacre/

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    • Originally posted by Andrew Walker View Post

      Would you be so kind to provide us with a link
      Google "Tiananmen Square wikileaks". Ambassadors from other embassies didn't see nuthin'. "Tank Man" was a fiction. I know that it's hard to believe that there wasn't any "massacre" since the "story" came from such a reliable source. The same one that told you about WMDs, winning in Vietnam and Afghanistan, the atrocity of October 7. See? This is what I mean by "Sheeple".

      * And King. Mike Pompeo as an authority? You gotta be kiddin'. Made my day, you've entered another dimension of absurdity.
      Last edited by Paddo Colt 61; 03-22-2024, 01:13 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post

        Google "Tiananmen Square wikileaks".
        I was already aware of the said 'leak' you keep misrepresenting, have detailed the relevant facts above and while doing so have called out your red herring.

        Do you understand this point? I ask because you seem to be struggling with it...

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        • No, they're not "facts". Don't really know what they are apart from anti Chinese claims. Wikileaks revealed no atrocity in the square. You said there was. The US Embassy in Beijing should have consulted you after all you have all of those eye witness acquaintances with a convenient right wing version of contentious events.

          A "progressive" longing for a Tory win. Who could take you seriously lawyer or not? You're all over the shop.

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          • Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post

            Google "Tiananmen Square wikileaks". Ambassadors from other embassies didn't see nuthin'. "Tank Man" was a fiction. I know that it's hard to believe that there wasn't any "massacre" since the "story" came from such a reliable source. The same one that told you about WMDs, winning in Vietnam and Afghanistan, the atrocity of October 7. See? This is what I mean by "Sheeple".

            * And King. Mike Pompeo as an authority? You gotta be kiddin'. Made my day, you've entered another dimension of absurdity.
            Why can’t you just provide the link Now FTR I never ever at any stage believed the WOMD story
            When you trust your television
            what you get is what you got
            Cause when they own the information
            they can bend it all they want

            John Mayer

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            • Originally posted by Andrew Walker View Post

              Why can’t you just provide the link Now FTR I never ever at any stage believed the WOMD story
              I never believed the WMD story either. George Dubbya was one of the worst presidents ever IMHO.

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              • Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
                No, they're not "facts". Don't really know what they are apart from anti Chinese claims. Wikileaks revealed no atrocity in the square. You said there was. The US Embassy in Beijing should have consulted you after all you have all of those eye witness acquaintances with a convenient right wing version of contentious events.

                A "progressive" longing for a Tory win. Who could take you seriously lawyer or not? You're all over the shop.
                They are and I'm not gonna bother side-tracking to your other cr@p until you engage with the elephant in the room. This includes discussion of the established fact that the Tiananmen Square Massacre happened, the CCP burned as much evidence as possible and even today the CCP bans all discussion about it (with heavy-handed punishments for those who dare to talk about it).

                You are allowed to spruik the CCP's official line that killings didn't happen in the square (noting this is not a denial that pro-democracy protests happened or that the military were instructed to get rid of them). As noted, your ability to run this line only further disproves your claim that 'the west' and its 'mainstream media' (you use 'mainstream' as if it's a bad word) is evil whereas 'the truth' all comes from China and Russia's state-run media outlets.

                It's a nice story (can appreciate that you feel almighty while blazing up and rattling on about 'the MSM', 'wikileaks' and 'John Menadue') but it all falls apart as soon as we reflect that the 'mainstream media' regularly criticises western governments (e.g. they were right onto Dubbya'z grainy photos of 'WMDs'). The fact we have this transparency in itself is reason to pause when considering the validity of 'media' produced directly by the government of a country that does not allow such freedoms.
                Last edited by ism22; 03-23-2024, 07:19 AM.

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                • Comrade Paddo is delusional if he thinks Tiananmen Square didn't happen and now he say's October 7 as well.

                  There are stacks of video's on X and YouTube etc showing what happened on October 7 filmed by the Nazi Hamas Terrorists themselves

                  Comrade Paddo's only sources are Menadue's Malarkey Swirls and Deviations and Full Moon over Alabama - both discredited far left, anti-west , conspiracy theorist and pro China and Russia sites.

                  I wonder if he will also say that Israel was behind 9/11 plus the assassinations of JFK. Martin Luther King . RFK and Malcolm X which has been doing the rounds on X and other so called social media sites.

                  Zero proof of any involvement but if you post lies and misinformation enough times some folk will believe it. - Propaganda 101

                  Again the question is why does Comrade Paddo still reside in the West that he so despises - Time he migrated to Russia or China or better still North Korea - Countries and regimes he would be more aligned with.

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                  • Originally posted by mightyrooster View Post

                    I never believed the WMD story either. George Dubbya was one of the worst presidents ever IMHO.
                    Saddam had to be taken out and that should have happened in the first gulf war - al-Assad is another and is no different to Saddam - interestingly both of the Ba'ath Party - Iraq and Syria versions-who advocate for the formation of a single Arab socialist nation

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                    • Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

                      Saddam had to be taken out and that should have happened in the first gulf war - al-Assad is another and is no different to Saddam - interestingly both of the Ba'ath Party - Iraq and Syria versions-who advocate for the formation of a single Arab socialist nation
                      I never sad Saddam was a saint. But there were no WMD. That part was a lie.

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                      • I don't "think" Tiananmen never happened. US Embassy documents say that it didn't. Google it.

                        Whether or not any of you believed the WMD thing is irrelevant, the fact is it was a lie, a falsehood, a ruse, just as was the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the bullshit excuse for dropping 2 Atom Bombs on civilians and every other reason for regime change since WW2.

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                        • Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
                          I don't "think" Tiananmen never happened. US Embassy documents say that it didn't. Google it.
                          Okay...

                          Tiananmen Square incident, series of protests and demonstrations China in the spring of 1989 that culminated on the night of June 3–4 with a government crackdown on the demonstrators in Tiananmen Square in Beijing. Although the demonstrations and their subsequent repression occurred in cities throughout the country, the events in Beijing—especially in Tiananmen Square, historically linked to such other protests as the May Fourth Movement (1919)—came to symbolize the entire incident.

                          ---

                          As repeated 100 times. Your red herring of saying 'I dunno if the killing happened inside the square' means nothing as the killing happened all over China.

                          There's a reason why the CCP bans people from talking about it and uses aggressive enforcement.

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                          • Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

                            Saddam had to be taken out and that should have happened in the first gulf war - al-Assad is another and is no different to Saddam - interestingly both of the Ba'ath Party - Iraq and Syria versions-who advocate for the formation of a single Arab socialist nation
                            When Joe Biden warned Netanyahu about making " the same mistakes that we made " he was absolutely referring to the invasion of Iraq. The US has made plenty of blunders (just ask Paddo!) with their deployment of armed forces into other countries.....the Iraq invasion would be very close to top of that list.

                            As it turns out Netanyahu didn't listen to Biden and is making the same mistakes that the US made. Old Joe, despite his love of the Israeli people, never liked or trusted Bibi.....old Joe just got another reminder why!

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                            • * Randy: Your implication is that Iraq was an honest "mistake" and wouldn't happen again in the light of experience. They've been beating up on people for the 90+ % period of their existence. It's a violent hegemon!

                              *Izzy. You haven't read that US embassy communique have you? Why are there no photos of atrocity? Apparently there were tens of thousands in the square and thousands of them crushed by tanks and machine gunned but no pictorial evidence. No one had a camera? There must have been blood everywhere but no stain pics? Maybe one of your relatives can help out?

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                              • To all the US lovers out there, what about their culture and position in the world makes you want to think that we should follow their way?

                                I’d like to pave a new path for Australia without being tethered to the US. It’d take a brave PM - possibly risking foreign interference for regime change, but we need to stand up to it.

                                Peace, peace, peace. Power

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