Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[King Salvo]

The spread of communism had to be stopped though - North Korea invasion of South Korea/ The Malayan Emergency for an example

Commo China has had many wars/conflicts against Commo Vietnam - 1979 to 1991 - The Commo Chinese supported and backed the Commo Khmer Rouge(Led by Pol Pot) in Cambodia - Commo China didn't like Commo Vietnam invading Commo Cambodia either

23 countries were involved in the Australia led INTERFET (International Force East Timor) 20 September 1999 – 28 February 2000- Major General Peter Cosgrove the Commanding Officer - The US Provided vital support for airlifts, logistics, specialised intelligence, over the horizon deterrence(i.e special operations), and "diplomatic muscle".

UN Peacekeeping forces then took over coming from a host of countries on a rotating basis 2000 to 2013- for an example

Algeria, Australia, Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, China , Croatia, Egypt, El Salvador, Gabon, Gambia, India, Japan, Jordan, Kyrgyzstan, Malaysia, Namibia, Nepal, New Zealand, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Romania, Russian Federation, Samoa, Senegal, Singapore, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Thailand, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United States, Uruguay, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.

[King Salvo]

Jeez...well I certainly don't agree with any of this Izzy. Again you ignore History and the implication is that the US is a "white knight.

The facts are:

* During the war, the Japs booted the French imperialists but were then met by Viet Nationalists who were ambitious with the French gone after 120 years, wanting the Japs out too. Western adherents like the local wealthy, corrupt establishment, mostly Catholic, then fought for Japan against their own countrymen.

* After the war, the West wanted the French to return. The returned French got their arses kicked and the winners (Nationalists) organised plebiscites with the goal of independence from colonialism. The USA then supported the pro Colonial South in its resistance to that referendum sensing that Ho Chi Minh was going to prevail. All of this time the Viet Minh were Nationalists who, rejected by the West, sought help from anyone and found it in the anti Imperialists, China and the Soviets. Thus the self fulfilling prophecy - " See! They're Commos".

* You seem to suggest that restoring the old Emperor and the corrupt South was a good and reasonable thing? Hundreds of thousands had died fighting France and the old order in the country. and you think that Jap henchmen were fine?

* I presume you "served"? Sorry, forgot, that your FIL is a top ranking General who hates the Government and loves the US. Vietnam was an egregious racist war and a shameful chapter in our history. Menzies invoked ANZUS and begged the US to be able to join in. Like all involvements since, it was an installment on our ANZUS insurance policy. The US refused to help us in the East Timor peacekeeping, the only time we've asked.

* I parked behind a car festooned with US style Viet Veteran stickers and military symbols and, disgusted at the suburban triumphalism, I wrote a critical screed and stuck it on the window. Gave him a real bollocking for being proud of being a sucker and participating in a racist war fought solely for US global interests. After a short while, the silly old fart returned - arse out of his pants with the predictable tats and old grey beard and ponytail. He read my script and peered around myopically, confused and bewildered - a dead set mug playing hero. My brother was out of the draft a week after he got the notice. The local GP attested that he had chronic Rhinitis - an everyday thing. Easy peasy and so he avoided the draft and the possibility of killing the "enemies" of the US.

Looks like you come from a family of conchies.

Wrote a note did you and then hid in your car-wow you are such a "hero" in your own mind

[Rooster1908]

Confusion must abound in the minds of the simpletons whose insights into world affairs are formed solely by our right wing msm.

* Biden, was staunch in his "defence of freedom"willing, it would appear, to fight to the last Uke and now the "defence" is down the toilet. Turns out we weren't winning after all. We were told exactly the same sort of lies about Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan where the US threw its mates under the bus but we still believed. There was however one significant victory for "freedom"- the US and Al Qaeda together did the job on Syria toppling a elected government which was too close to Russia. And yez don't see chicanery?
Ordinary Ukes suffered because they believed the CIA TV station with its Orange revolution claptrap. We believe (it seems) ol' Rupert, a nefarious old rogue with form that should ordinarily put him beyond the pail.

* Russia is not to blame for the war but it, too, has suffered greatly. It's war is/was against the Empire, the Ukes were simply the flunkies and most of them knew it. Russia warned about NATO moving up to its borders but the US was having none of that. And why is a belligerent NATO still around anyway? The Warsaw pact is long finished.

* Some on here, who really don't know much about anything after many, many years of the Murdoch press and commercial TV indoctrination just can't see past the propaganda consumption of a lifetime. I cite '08's touching plea, "Who should we be in an alliance with?". The confusion in that question is palpable. It's called Cognitive Dissonance - facts and reality clashing with long, deeply held beliefs formed on the basis of very little in the case of most ordinary people. The fact is that the US is an highly unreliable security partner only interested (surprise, surprise) in its own national interests. Our ANZUS Alliance is an "agreement to consult" if one is threatened - no guarantee whatsoever but most people think otherwise and they also think that we are "good mates" and in a special category. That is if they ever think about it which is very unlikely.

* Security is a Tory thing - indispensable for the last 120 years for frightening that moron bunch that elects them after believing their supporters, Murdoch and othe news organs owned by the rich. Our security, if we are serious and worried, is security within Asia not from it - The Keating Doctrine - and that, hopefully, might happen after Trump finally wises up the meatheads with regard to true reality. Unlikely, however, because our power elite thrives on division.

Again who should we be in alliance with .Serious question. Surely you must have the answers

[Paddo Colt 61]

I've given the reason - an Asian Alliance with other non aligned countries like Indonesia. Not declaring enemies would also be a good start. Do you feel uncomfortable about that? Dismissed it without further thought? Like our media, you're white and racist.

By the way, re an earlier post, the Indigenous vote for The Voice was over 90%.

[King Salvo]

Capitalist Paddo just regurgitates the same old cold war Anti-West/US/NATO etc rhetoric that the poor average folk in the Soviet Union/Soviet Block had to endure for 74 odd years under the red terror which is communism..

Interesting that he say's " security within Asia not from it " - Does he mean a military pact with China ? - Say's the US is only interested in it's own national interest - maybe he can explain what the national interests of China and Russia are ?

Here's a couple to help him

One of Russia's National Interests is Ukraine - The war they started for the land grab and what is underneath it plus installing a pro Russian Government that will give them access to 100% of Ukraine's Minerals not just the 53% they have after illegally annexing the Crimea and Donbas regions.

No doubt a few of Putin's Oligarch mates will set up companies to mine these minerals and resources in Ukraine and Putin will be a secret Director and Stock Holder - Only has 200 Billion US in assets for his retirement in 2036 and the Russian Pension payment is pretty low - average pension is the equivalent of $234 US per month

One of China's national interest - China National Unification - They have Hong Kong and can't wait to grab hold of Taiwan

Of course China’s disputes in the East and South China seas with countries such as Japan and the Philippines over claims to islands and maritime territory demarcation involve some of the other Chinese National Interests such as “state sovereignty”, “national security” and “territorial integrity”.

Ah yes National Interest - The West can't have them but despot regimes can including starting wars for their own "National Interests"

Being bitten by the capitalist bug hasn't filtered through to Capitalist Paddo's brain as yet but give it time - He will be voting Libs/Nat and praising the US/West/Trump/Murdoch etc - I can see him bashing out Hooray for the Red , White and Blue and the The Star-Spangled Banner with much gusto too

[King Salvo]

Indonesia is aligned though with other Islamic Countries - Organisation of Islamic Cooperation/Islamic development Bank.

[Random Rooster]

We know which side of the fence you are on when it comes to Israel/Jewish Folk. - Never a bad word about Hamas - mmm interesting

Ridiculous statement that Israel should have attacked Germany -Germany Surrendered in 1945 and was Partitioned into 4 zones. - Israel didn't exist again as a country until 1948.

In 1948 Israel was first invaded by a host of Arabic/Islamic Counties and assorted Islamic Terrorist groups after the Arabs rejected the 2 state solution - Egypt, Trans Jordan. Syria , Iraq , Lebanon , Saudi Arabia, Yemen , Arab Liberation Army , al-Najjada and Holy War Army - Strange now that the Arabs want the 2 state solution - mmm should have thought about that in 1948 then

You mean the fake Pallywood ones where the so called victims "actors" then appear in other video's i.e like MR FAFO.

Al Jazeera is nothing more than a mouth piece for Islamic Jihadist Terrorists and Terrorism as any one knows

Fk Hamas! Fk all terrorist groups! Fk all countries that kill innocent men, women or children!

Don't give me that bullshit about taking sides because i don't support genocide or ethnic cleansing

Thanks for the history lesson but of course i really didn't mean Israel should attack Germany- i was making a point about you quoting the European Jewish population numbers in 1933 to what it was in 1950 and saying thats genocide and not what is happening in Gaza.


Everybody knows that Al Jazeera is a mouthpiece for terrorists? So let me guess, the 100 odd countries that they broadcast to must all be anti semitic? If you dont like what they have to say then turn the sound down and just watch . See how many mangled, limbless and dead children you can handle seeing......and you may understand why Netanyahu doesn't want the reality of what is happening from being broadcasted into Israel. Unfortunately for him there are 2 billion Muslims and millions more with a conscience that are seeing it.....and hearing about the plans to build a Riviera of the middle east in Gaza. Nothing good can come from it

[Rooster1908]

I've given the reason - an Asian Alliance with other non aligned countries like Indonesia. Not declaring enemies would also be a good start. Do you feel uncomfortable about that? Dismissed it without further thought? Like our media, you're white and racist.

By the way, re an earlier post, the Indigenous vote for The Voice was over 90%.

I'm not white but Pado as you should be able to see in my new avatar with the newest addition to our family And yes the indigenous vote may have been over 90% as you say, I'm not sure but will take your word for it but guarantee over 50% of them/us didn't vote yes

[Random Rooster]

Talkk are proceeding between the US and Russia re the future of Ukraine. The Ukes aren't aa party to those talks. Already we know that NATO membership is off the tableas is a return to the borders of 2014. This alone tells the story of this war. It was part of the US's world domination chess game.

The killer point is that the US Treasury is negotiating with Zelensky re US access to Ukraine's considerable mineral wealth. The deal is to pay for the proposed US supplied security shield. The Ukes have been bled, shredded and now strip mined by their buddies, Why on Earth are we in an alliance with the USA with that example to wake us up?

Yes the message is loud and clear for any US allie- they will hang you out to dry and even go as far as to exploit any of your vulnerabilities. The Europeans got a hint in Trumps first term when he wanted to leave NATO but was talked out of it by his advisers- so they know what to expect this time.

Even the Canadians are being humiliated with this 51st state BS - being told they are nothing without the US financially or military wise. The funniest is Trump saying Canadians would pay less taxes and have access to better health care-if they were a state of the US- seriously!!!

Where does this leave Australia? In bed with a cheating partner

[King Salvo]

Slava Ukraini - Heroiam slava

“If it's not Brussels, then it's Moscow": Zelenskyy's Statement at MSC 2025 | BR24

[Paddo Colt 61]

The Palestinians started off with most of the country (post UN resolution) and now they have little. the rest of theirs is occupied by expansionist Israel and the UN is very specific on the right of occupied people to resist occupation of their country by force if necessary. Hamas is the elected leadership and it's doing what any leadership worth its salt would do in the circumstances. There has been an ocean of US/Israeli propaganda and no examination by our msm (the stenographers) regarding key propaganda claims like Oct 7. The outgoing "defence" criminal has said that he ordered Operation Hannibal on that day. Rockets, bombs were used to obliterate the sites of conflict. The freedom fighters had small arms. Who might have caused the most carnage?

[King Salvo]

Putin's Private Army or more appropriate the Kremlin's Private Paramilitary Cartel - amazing how many shelf companies Wagner has and the countries and regions they are in exploiting the resources of these countries and regions - Oil/Gas/Gold etc you name it they have a stake in it all - % of the revenue for so called "guarding" these resources and mining licences/ drilling/exploration rights etc

Inside Prigozhin’s Wagner, Russia’s Secret War Company | WSJ Documentary

Wagner were the little green men in the illegal annexation of Crimea and Donbas by Russia - why are they interested in these areas - 53% of Ukraine's resources are in these areas - significant reserves and a lot untapped i.e titanium, lithium, beryllium, manganese, gallium, uranium, zirconium, graphite, apatite, fluorite, and nickel plus significant oil and gas reserves.

As we know Prigozhin was an ex con having served 9 years in prison for robbery and theft and somehow became one of Putin's growing number of former con mates or better known as Oligarchs - Nicknamed Putin's Chef and whose catering companies won a raff of lucrative contracts - Schools and Russian Military for an example.

Of course Prigozhini met a sticky end as all do who cross Putin after his march on Moscow and criticism of Kremlin Senior Military Commander stooges- Kremlin Puppet Lukashenko "Negotiated" a deal where Prigozhini charges for treason were dropped and he could move to Belarus and nothing more would happen. - Yeh sure it won't

Putin does not accommodate any enemies/opponents/critics - he orders their demise as we all know.

Not surprisingly a few months later Prigozhini's private plane mysteriously crashes on a flight from Moscow to St Petersburg killing him and several other senior Wagner officials including Wagner Co-Founder Neo Nazi Dimitry Utkin whose call name Wagner gave the group it's name - Richard Wagner a known antisemitic was the favourite composer of Nazi Germany's leader Adolf Hitler

Under Putin's growing Soviet Style dictatorship in 2004 - the election process was also changed and 2020 President term length and term-limits

• All Parties had to re-register - a quite a few's registration was not approved
• Direct elections of Regional/Oblast Governors was abolished and replaced by appointments by the Kremlin.
• Duma (Federal Assembly-Lower house) direct elections were also abolished and replaced with citizens voting for a party only and then the party then appointing the Duma reps based on the number of seats they won based on their share/percentage of the vote
• Federation council ( Upper House) - 1 rep elected by the "regional council" and 1 by the Regional Governor) who is appointed by the Kremlin
• plus Putin formed a committee of his hand picked stooges to draft laws ( Federal and Constitutional Laws) which when introduced into the Duma/Federation council for rubber stamping

Russian Federation President terms - was limited to 2 four year terms - Putin's 2 x 4 year terms finished in 2008 - Putin's lackey Medvedev then took over for a token 4 year term ( 2009-2012)

Putin then was re-elected of course and the presidential terms were conveniently changed from 2 x 4 to 2 x 6 years terms - The 2020 amendments then exempted Putin from being term-limited in 2024 by excluding his previous terms, allowing him two more 6 year terms before reaching the constitutional limit. i.e can be president up to 2036 - of course will be as who will challenge him - alive that is

[King Salvo]

The Palestinians started off with most of the country (post UN resolution) and now they have little. the rest of theirs is occupied by expansionist Israel and the UN is very specific on the right of occupied people to resist occupation of their country by force if necessary. Hamas is the elected leadership and it's doing what any leadership worth its salt would do in the circumstances. There has been an ocean of US/Israeli propaganda and no examination by our msm (the stenographers) regarding key propaganda claims like Oct 7. The outgoing "defence" criminal has said that he ordered Operation Hannibal on that day. Rockets, bombs were used to obliterate the sites of conflict. The freedom fighters had small arms. Who might have caused the most carnage?

Ah yes the usual anti Israel /Jewish rant

Correct that Israel has the right to defend themselves from being occupied by a proscribed terrorist group whose manifesto is to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people world wide - Tick for you

Pally's love terrorist groups and why they back, support and even elect them as they did with Hamas - PLO/Fatah - when Muti Billionaire Egyptian Arafat died the conflict between Fatah and Hamas started

Do you mean that Hamas has a right to start a war plus use civilians as human shields, refuse them access to the tunnel network which is stacked with weaponry arsenals to shelter in-and-became multi-billionaires by stealing international aid funds with most of them living it up in 6-star hotels in Qatar and chowing down on $200 USD per course meals

The Hamas Terrorists certainly have a stack of Russian, Chinese. Iranian , North Korean, Bulgarian weaponry of a wide variety even long range missiles CM-302 Chinese Cruise Missiles. Been stockpiling these since 2006.


Back on Topic - your Beloved Putin


The following doesn't matter and all fine as Israel is not involved

Russia's two 2 Chechen wars -estimated up to 300,000 Chechen's killed / 45,000 of those children and 40,000 serious wounded - over 200.000 missing.

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/searc...?phrase=grozny

Russia's war on Georgia ( South Ossetia) - Estimated 412 Georgians killed and 1747 wounded - mmm it was interesting that Putin attacked Georgia as that was where his Hero Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvil came from- The same bollocks though mmm where have I heard this before - An operation for the so called defence of Russian/Ethnic Russians i.e Russian backed pro Russian separatists and oh Georgian Government backed Georgian Neo-Nazi's instigated the outbreak of the conflict.

mmm South Ossetia is resource rich ie timber, manganese, iron ore, copper coal deposits, oil and gas - mmm sounds very familiar - Another Land Grab for Resources the Russian way

Russia military backing of al-Assad's despot regime in the Syrian Civil war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...rian_civil_war

On Topic - Russia's almost 3 year war on Ukraine - Satellite Image of the destruction of Mariupol Ukraine - 19th March 2022.

[Random Rooster]

Ah yes the usual anti Israel /Jewish rant

Correct that Israel has the right to defend themselves being occupied by a proscribed terrorist group whose manifesto is to destroy Israel and kill all Jewish people world wide - Tick for you

Pally's love terrorist groups and why they back, support and even elect them as they did with Hamas - PLO/Fatah - when Muti Billionaire Egyptian Arafat died the conflict between Fatah and Hamas started

and so does Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE....love funding them. If terror groups have no funding they cannot exist. What do we do about it?

[King Salvo]

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