Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[Paddo Colt 61]

Certainly is a beautiful looking city. Those boulevardes are magnificent. Stalingrad was a model workers' city before our current ally, Germany, got to it.

Soviet apartments? Not so bad. People gotta live somewhere. Look at Paris beyond the Peripherique and any other populous Euro city. Poor bastards here pay big dollars for works of art that sink into the ground. Only their $1- 2m mortgages are left.

Anyway it's called housing a population and it's more than we seem capable of here atm.

[King Salvo]

As I said the money goes to the Major Cities such as Moscow and St Petersburg and into the pockets of Russian Government Politicians , Officials. Backers, Supporters and the Oligarchs whilst the average Russian in the Regions struggle and quite a lot struggle more than most.

22% or so of Russian homes have no running water or flushing toilet/sewage and they bath and do their toilet thing at communal ones - even in apartments blocks.

According to a new report by Russia’s state statistical agency, Rosstat, 35 million Russians live in houses or apartments without indoor toilets, 47 million do not have hot water, 29 million don’t have any running water inside their residences, and 22 million do not have central heating

In fact, only 62.7 percent of the Russian population has the usual accouterments of modern existence – water in the house, plumbing, heating and gas or electric ranges, Rosstat says, a fact that must seem incredible to those who visit only Moscow or St. Petersburg but a fact of life for those who live beyond the ring roads of these capitals.

https://russialist.org/one-russian-i...tinct-russias/

How Else could Stalinist Little Legs Putin be one of the Richest Persons in the World with assets reportedly totaling up to 200 billion USD - The Russian President Salary is 140k USD annually.

Obviously he receives a bigger slice of the money pie that should be going to the Regions( Oblasts)

Stalinist Little Legs Putin was Born in Leningrad now St Petersburg and Lives in Moscow hence why these 2 Cities are Flush with Money as well - New Building and Infrastructure projects etc - Cash in on the Tourism Dollar

Pensioners of Bashkortostan release an appeal to Putin asking him to come to his senses, accusing him of isolating himself from the people and only providing to himself and his henchmen.

Not sure of the time line for this ( 2020 someone said ) but certainly in Stalin Times these folk would never be seen again - The message is clear and spot on about the Putin Regime even in current times. - Not only financially corrupt but morally corrupt and bankrupt as well

Not West Propaganda or CIA/MI5/Mossad etc inspired either Comrade Paddo - Genuine Russian Folk

" In your State -You Created - Pure Totalitarian Regime - That Equals Fascist Germany -Can't say it otherwise "

" You're Strengthening Power, Police - You give them benefits -Promising Protection to them - And your Henchmen are Ready to Kill People "

9K Rubles (Per Month) is $136 USD. These pensioners are rightfully complaining about $136 not being enough to survive and it's below the minimum wage ... which is about $160 USD per month.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1614730195767906305

[Random Rooster]

And look at the name of the translator of the Insider article you cited Randy. Then scroll down and note the flavor of other articles on the war - you think it's objective and not egregious propaganda? You weren't listening when, in Year 12 English, the misuses of language was studied. See how KIng ridicules Russian propaganda but would take Insider seriously.

I left school when i was 15- didn't even finish year 10

[ism22]

Not going to grace Izzy's embarrassing rambling with a comment. It is way beyond ignorant - just lashing out really.

...

The bloc that we relate to - the USA, Britain, France, Italy and Germany are all ex Imperialists with dreadful records...

Sorry to embarrass you by highlighting the facts that:

1. Your argument doesn't meet the threahold test and you constantly skip between matters quite cluelessly when it has been

2. Your single source of Dungballs and Iterations is not manned by 'intellectual heavyweights' and is highly unreliable for anybody seeking facts. I've demonstrated this quite thoroughly, merely to make sure nobody's fooled into thinking it's anything more than a blog full of bitter political ramblers and nobodies who are on the take.

[Paddo Colt 61]

I'm never sure what Izzy's talking about but for those interested my main reading is not johnmenadue.com. As I've explained ad nauseum I quote that site because the contributors are often well known, invariably well credentialed and not easily dismissed as flunkies.

One of my sources is "Moon of Alabama" (moonofalabama.org) which is an American blog. Moon has a detailed piece this week about the course of the war in the Donbass which is an exemplar of objective report/opinion - no emotional language, no hyperbole and no wishful thinking such as we are subjected to in our MSM (including the ABC and SBS and The Guardian). The article forecasts what might be the situation 6 months hence so we can, in time, test its analysis for reliability whereas with our MSM we can't because there is no analysis just propaganda emanating from Ukraine and Western sources. For those who have time it is an interesting read.

[King Salvo]

I'm never sure what Izzy's talking about but for those interested my main reading is not johnmenadue.com. As I've explained ad nauseum I quote that site because the contributors are often well known, invariably well credentialed and not easily dismissed as flunkies.

One of my sources is "Moon of Alabama" (moonofalabama.org) which is an American blog. Moon has a detailed piece this week about the course of the war in the Donbass which is an exemplar of objective report/opinion - no emotional language, no hyperbole and no wishful thinking such as we are subjected to in our MSM (including the ABC and SBS and The Guardian). The article forecasts what might be the situation 6 months hence so we can, in time, test its analysis for reliability whereas with our MSM we can't because there is no analysis just propaganda emanating from Ukraine and Western sources. For those who have time it is an interesting read.

That Moon of Alabama site is more pro Russian . Anti-US/West and Left Wing than you are Comrade Paddo - Apt title though - Moon of Alabama - Where Barflies Get Together

As I expected from the media bias fact check another of your internet reference source sites fails the credibility test

Moon of Alabama utilizes questionable sources such as RT News and Fox News - RT News is Russia Today and a television network funded by the Russian government.





Overall, we rate Moon of Alabama Left as Biased and questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories, the use of poor sources, false claims, and a lack of transparency.

Detailed Report


Questionable Reasoning: Lack of Transparency, False Information, Conspiracy, Propaganda
Bias Rating: LEFT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/moon-of-alabama/

[ism22]

I'm spitting the dummy now as Jizzy's called me out and made me look dumb. As Jizzy has explained, I exclusively borrow my opinions from an opinions blog comprising pro-China/Russia, where the contributors are easily dismissed as flunkies. For example an ex-private who crossed the border to Saudi Arabia and now calls himself 'the Ambassador', one of Whitlam's ex-staffers and unpublished 'visiting scholars' from Chinese universities.

One of their sources that I'd like to highlight is another opinions blog, being "Moon of Alabama". This is an American blog that is largely identical - consisting of white monkey cr@p from random defectors to Russia/China. It is a fair example of hyperbole, misinformation and doomer cr@p. I don't trust any mainstream, critically acclaimed sources because they don't touch on whether 'the west' is really the one spreading "propaganda" while Russia and China are the ones we should trust as a source of good. Such material makes me feel uncomfortable as I'm a doomer/skeptic who credits 40 years teaching public school students and regular cannabis as being his source of intellectual prowess. Despite this, I live in Australia and have no desire to experience living within Russia/China as deep down I realise that they're pretty barbaric places for one to live.

That a boy Paddo.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Wiki records that the founder of mediabiasfactcheck.com, a Mr Dave Van Zant, admits that he's not an expert and that his methods "are not rigorously objective". It also notes that the site has been criticised for its methodology and accuracy. Columbia University Journalism school also labels it "an armchair media analysis" and an "amateur attempt at classifying media bias". Despite this it has a trusting following which includes you King.

Apart from anything else you prove my point that it is difficult to lay into Menadue in the same way that you have here. Keating, for example, has a current unflattering piece on Japan which could interest Izzy.

By the way King what sources are you reading? I know that Izzy favours the voice of the ordinary bloke as something approaching gospel and he also has those other sources close to the action - fisher folk, billionaires and the like but you appear to be an off the top of your head guy or does The Catholic Weekly loom large?

MOA's article on fighting in the Donbas is objective and, as I say, we will be able to assess its accuracy in due course. There's little point in you heaping your shit on it now.

[ism22]

Most would describe it as "an armchair media analysis" and an "amateur attempt at classifying media bias". Despite this it has a trusting following which includes you King.

Who cares? As you keep singing... most people are idiots. Having a small but dedicated following for some amateur blog that privides biased, amateur opinions (with a pro-Russia / China leaning - likely because they're on the take) means jack shyte.

Just because your source isn't 'mainstream', doesn't mean you're not a mindless 'sheeple' (hint: you are).

Keating, for example, has a current unflattering piece on Japan which could interest Izzy.

Keating was fun but he's not objective or scholarly. Also, he's lost it completely in recent years. An old example that'll hurt you as a Whitlam... eeer... Menadue fan...

Keating: "We have a cabinet which has a degree of economic sophistication which puts the Whitlam government into the cavemen class in economic terms."
...
Whitlam: "That was a good speech. You should go back comrade, and get yourself an honours degree."
Keating: "What for? Then I'd be like you."

[Paddo Colt 61]

We have an absolute raver here. Everybody's a has been or a know nothing except, apparently, him. For some folk abuse wins an argument because they are titillated by aggro and bullying (look at Allan Jones' audience) such people are impervious to reasoned argument and best described as fools.

[ism22]

We have an absolute raver here. Everybody's a has been or a know nothing except, apparently, him.

The reality is that all your sources fit that category as you rely on a fringe, pre-Russian / Chinese blog rather than a critically acclaimed broadsheet, staffed by contemporary thinkers. You really are scraping the barrel if the only line of thinking you're willing to buy into is pro-Russia / China (and anti-US).

I'm not using personal attacks. I'm repetitively knocking-off your unsubstantiated claims at the threshold because you keep failing to establish that you have a valid concern to discuss. For example you're concerned about 'western propaganda' tarnishing Russia's good name when they are invading a neighbouring country that refuses to submit to their expansionary plans. When we highlight that this is a ludicrous claim, you'll say 'oh no no no check John Menadue's credentials, he is a heavyweight so is not talking complete smack!!!' That or you'll ramble on about a situation where the US has been involved in a war and say 'yeah well the USA has killed people too' (as if this somehow justifies Russia's current behaviour). Such reasoning fails the threshold test, so it's impossible to argue your point. In short, your question is too loaded for valid discussion to take place.

Alan Jones is another example of a rambler who is not a scholar or relevant - most of his arguments aren't worth engaging with as recognising he has a valid point of discussion gives his commentary some sorta credence (when it has none and is malicious). Characterising public figures with established stances on political / social matters is important because it would be a waste of my time if I treated each of their rants as being a new/unique insight. In the case of guys like Menadue and Keating... yes... we're talking about old hat political figures who have left the game but occasionally speak up. It would take a pretty big 'sheeple' to not realise this and instead rely on them as 'heavyweights' in a field full of contemporary analysts.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

That Moon of Alabama site is more pro Russian . Anti-US/West and Left Wing than you are Comrade Paddo - Apt title though - Moon of Alabama - Where Barflies Get Together

As I expected from the media bias fact check another of your internet reference source sites fails the credibility test

Moon of Alabama utilizes questionable sources such as RT News and Fox News - RT News is Russia Today and a television network funded by the Russian government.





Overall, we rate Moon of Alabama Left as Biased and questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories, the use of poor sources, false claims, and a lack of transparency.

Detailed Report


Questionable Reasoning: Lack of Transparency, False Information, Conspiracy, Propaganda
Bias Rating: LEFT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/moon-of-alabama/

Reminds me of Whiskey Song by the Doors

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

We have an absolute raver here. Everybody's a has been or a know nothing except, apparently, him. For some folk abuse wins an argument because they are titillated by aggro and bullying (look at Allan Jones' audience) such people are impervious to reasoned argument and best described as fools.

I think you are inside this guy's head Comrade.

[King Salvo]

Heard this before -when was that mmm Germany 1930's - Master Ayrian Race

[King Salvo]

Stalinist Little Legs Putin should be more concerned about the ever increasing Russian Nationalist Movement- Even Comrade Paddo's Russian Communist Party are joining in wanting the laws changed so that Ethnicity is listed on internal and external passports.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1613981360808419328