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Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61
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Not sure why you do -
Essentially King, this thread is about US hegemony, ambition and threat, it's not about the alleged sins of the long gone Soviet Union nor the alleged evil of Vlad Putin. Our very conservative ex PM Mal Fraser warned us about getting too close to the US military industrial network that Eisenhower had earlier sounded the alarm on. Jimmy Carter called the US the most warlike in the history of the world. Let me add another - Martin Luther King.
MLK's observation in April 1967 in an eloquent and stirring denunciation of US militarism is highly relevant to today’s war in Ukraine - He said,“The war in Vietnam is but a symptom of a far deeper malady within the American spirit.” and he went on to say, “We have no honourable intentions in Vietnam …. The world demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit that we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people.” .
If the incremental buildup toward war with Russia is not stopped, it will be immeasurably worse than Vietnam where 3 million civilans and soldiers were killed. Now we are starting to see tremendous destruction with Ukrainians and Russians dying by the thousands. As with Vietnam in 1965, this could be just the beginning. MLK, Fraser, Carter and Eisenhower could see it all but you and Izzy can't.
The idea that all Ukrainians love the West and hate Russia is false. As an indication of the mixed sentiments, the country having received the MOST emigrants from Ukraine is Russia (see Statista.com). While a small number continue from Russia to west European countries, the big majority stay in Russia with many awaiting the end of warfare.
Just as South Vietnamese puppet leaders were promoted by the US for political reasons, so is Ukrainian President Zelensky. His speeches are written by Washington insiders. Largely censored from the media, Zelensky has overseen the imprisonment,torture and killing of opponents (see Thegrayzone.com). The largest opposition party has beenbanned. Many Ukrainians oppose his policy and continuation of the war.
Ukrainians have become cannon fodder for the US geopolitical goals, just as the South Vietnamese were.
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If Yanukovych had signed the Association agreement with the EU as he said he would instead of backing out of it due to pressure from his Moscow Masters then all this may not be happening.
Not withstanding Russia's constant Imperialist Meddling in Ukraine Politics since 1991 - i.e The Candidates for Ukraine Presidency must meet with Moscow's approval and of course the Russian annexation of the Crimea and their backing and arming of separatists in the Donbas including sending in Russian special forces.
The Verkhovna Rada voted on February 22, 2014 to remove Viktor Yanukovych from the post of president of Ukraine on the grounds that he was unable to fulfill his duties, and to hold early presidential elections on May 25 2014.
A Fact check of Thegrayzone.com - Overall, we rate The Grayzone Far-Left Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories, and consistent one-sided reporting.- Low credibility rating.
mmm you also need to reference your beloved Menadue when you quote him word for word
The Ukraine Parliament rightfully dissolved pro Russian parties (5th Columnists) - the majority of the suspended parties were small, and insignificant.
Opposition Platform for Life, came second in the 2019 elections and held 44 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian Parliament- Many of these MP's either resigned from that party and some even left Ukraine for Russia before it was dissolved.
2 New Parties were formed Platform for Life and Peace (26 MP's) who support Ukraine's accession to the European Union and Restoration of Ukraine (18 MP's)
How do you ascertain that "Many Ukrainians oppose Ukraine President Zelensky's policy and continuation of the war " - another Menadue "scoop" perhaps ?
The Solution is easy Russia which began this and prepared for it even before 2014 withdraws their troops from all the territory of Ukraine which also includes CrimeaLast edited by King Salvo; 01-23-2023, 07:37 PM.Comment
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A link chock full of emotive language and this note "UPDATE: An earlier version of this article contained several statements that have been found to be inaccurate. We apologize for the error" says it all. You should look forward to the latest Ukraine Cabinet reshuffle after another high ranking government minister has been caught making millions from the suffering of the sheeple (SMH today).Last edited by Paddo Colt 61; 01-24-2023, 08:55 AM.Comment
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Still stole the money that fact hasn't changed.Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
Goes to Show President Zelensky is serious then in stamping out any corruption which of course your beloved Stalinist Little Legs Putin and Regime revel in whilst fleecing 1000's of Billions from The Russian Federation Coffers.
Stalinist Little Legs Putin 200 Billion USD in assets and Lavrov 100 billion USD - How could that be when on annual salaries of around 140k USD
Ah yes the sheepie backers of the Russian Regime - No doubt this happens in China too - old Mao and his siblings were multi billionaire's and all commo officials and backers ever since have become mega rich as well and even more so post communist regime collapses.
The Marxist Wealth distribution con of the ages and the sheepies are still brainwashed to believe in and follow Marxism-Leninism - There's a sucker born every minute they say
Brainwashing is the key to it all
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President Nixon - 1994 - Predicts Putin (Despotism ) and Russia (Russian Imperialism)
"Well Russia at the present time is at a cross roads - it is often said that the cold war is over and the west has won - that's only half true - because what has happened is the communists have been defeated"
"But the ideas of freedom are now on trial and if they don't work there -there will be a reversion to not communism which has failed but what I call a new despotism which would post a mortal danger to the rest of the world because it would have been infected with the virus of Russian Imperialism which of course has been a characteristic of Russian Foreign policies for Centuries"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og0X3-lDQtsLast edited by King Salvo; 01-24-2023, 12:05 PM.Comment
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Yep... it says that the said source cares about accuracy (though you'll claim it's 'propaganda' as you think all mainstream sourced are cooked, pro-US "propaganda" as they don't give the Kremlin's side of the story). Welcome to the real world, where the independent media cares about facts rather than the ego/agendas of an ex-mandarin from Ed's almighty (almost) 3 year rein.Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
Ever seen John Menadue admit his editorial got it wrong? Nope... because they don't do any fact checking. They purely push out Kremlin / CCP propaganda.Last edited by ism22; 01-24-2023, 12:17 PM.Comment
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Another Russian who better stay clear of Windows
" Starting a special military operation was a catastrophic mistake. I don't know who told Putin that the Ukrainians would not resist".
Boris Nadezhdin is a Russian opposition politician and Moscow municipal deputy. He served in Russia's parliament. Nadezhdin was a close ally of murdered opposition leader Boris Nemtsov. He opposed the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
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The real story?
Oh right. So boring as fark but the west doesn't spread propaganda. You don't walk down the streets and see grandiose, red-coloured drawings of Albo holding rifles, scholarly children, primary produce...etc while being portrayed as everybody's favourite fatherly figure. So yeah... boring, but we don't really do propaganda in 'the west', ay.
So this aside, what's the story in Russia? Mate they've bombed the fark outta Ukraine because it elected a government that has not been approved by Russia's government (because they dare preach the reality that Ukraine is an independent country).
I respect that Paddo's morning routine involves mulling up a fat bong and doing a deep dive into a blog that is edited by a senile ex-mandarin from the Whitlam era (who contrary to convention, refused to resign after successive government changes). However, this is the propaganda of a bitter fark who wishes he wasn't known as a senile nuffy.
His allies include an ex-private (in his 20's) who loves the comedy of calling himself a 'the Ambassador' to a top secret mission (haw haw - the USA can't confirm or deny that he was a spy posted as a fake diplomat... logical reasoning can deduce that he clearly wasn't James Bond... similar story to Ed the Epileptic Snow Sniffer), nobodies who are described as 'visiting scholars' at random CCP-loyal universities (none have any prior history as scholars/academics) and other senile old f@rts who are unemployable by any modern-day government (just like John Menadue).
Fortunately (for him), Menadue was paid ~$1m a year and is now on a VERY generous pension arrangement, purely because Eddy Whitlam appointed him as a mandarin (as a gift for working as a political staffer - his only other job in life). Alas, this generous pension does not afford him any form of relevance in the public eye. Thus, he's become a sad individual who sides with Russia/China on everything as a 'fark you' for the fact nobody else wants to listen to him after a 'decorated' career (where Eddy Whitlam handed him an overly senior role as #1 advisor to the PM, but his refusal to comply with convention by retiring from it left him shuffled into increasingly irrelevant roles until he was forced to retire as they found him a job that involved building a plan to make himself redundant... the ULTIMATE f-you to an extremely annoying, stubborn old f@rt).
Such a career. Bravo for John Menadue! Everybody give the farking nobody of a political hack who refused to retire a round of applause for the benefit of his single fan, Mr Paeddo Cult 69.Last edited by ism22; 01-24-2023, 10:13 PM.Comment
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Talk about knickers in knots - Heckle & Jeckle are on a twaddle-a-thon and have been for some time now.
As I've pointed out innumerable times now (and 90% of the World agrees according to Newsweek) Russia, which is no longer the Soviet Union, has legitimate concerns re its national security and kept expressing that concern to not only US deaf ears but in the face of a US determination to increase the tensions that began in the 90s and in breach of assurances that NATO would not move east. All of your ad hominem won't change those facts.
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90% of the World!!!! this figure quoted changes every post you mention it - another Menadue scoop?Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
Bit like Putin saying 99.90% of Russians would sacrifice their lives for Russia - I gather he is part of the 0.10 % - mmm the ones that Fled Russia must not have been counted either
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-insis...ything-1769574
There was no NATO agreement not to expand East - Even Gorbachev said that the question of NATO Expansion East never came up - FACT
"The topic of 'NATO expansion' was never discussed; it was not raised in those years. I am saying this with a full sense of responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country brought up the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact had ceased to exist in 1991," he told the newspaper Kommersant in October 2014.
The Soviet Union never went away in the minds of the current Regime and their propagandists - Putin even saying that the former Warsaw Pact countries never officially asked or obtained approval to leave- why he keeps saying that Ukraine doesn't exist - It's Russian Lands
Vladimir Solovyov and Olga Skabeyeva 2 of Russian TV Main Stalinist Little Legs Putin's Propagandists are always talking about it and regularly have like minded guests on their panels reliving the so called " glory times" of the Soviet Union/USSR - So glorious that there was a stampede of countries leaving it
Never Mind Comrade Paddo you can go back to reading fictional articles from those sites your frequent- I am sure Menadue has a fewLast edited by King Salvo; 01-25-2023, 11:25 AM.Comment
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And as I have successfully rebuffed, Russia can say whatever it likes is a 'national security' issue. But:Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
1. An independent country appointing a government that is not a puppet of Russia's is not a threat to Russia. It's Ukraine rightfully exercising its sovereignty.
2. There is no legal basis for Russia to then conquer Ukraine just because it disagrees with its choice of government & allies. Further, the end result of Russia expanding its borders / economic interests through this invasion is hellishly convenient if one were to believe their reasoning.
3. Your only source is a bitter as hell, politically appointed ex-mandarin who would be a methodist priest if Eddy Whitlam hadn't gifted him a high paying job. Oh and some weird survey, the source/content of which changes every time but the claim remains that 90% of people agree with you.
Your arguments read like a poorly written year 10 exam response about a random topic that you haven't done your homework on. You've failed to realise to identify the aggressor in a war, thrown your support behind them by quoting a dubious opinions blog and then made-up various surveys that all say '90% of people agree with the his opinion'. Your methodology wouldn't cut the muster as a year 10 exam essay.Last edited by ism22; 01-25-2023, 01:14 PM.Comment
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Yadda, yadda, yadda.....the Russian Communist party is an opposition party nowadays. Are there 2 Communist parties? Like it or not Putin has 80% electoral support for this action.
Newsweek reports the 90%. I've discussed this previously.
So Russia, in the 90s just said "We're done. Do what you like. No more Warsaw Pact but keep your NATO, we don't care" - and that level of capitulation despite losing 25 million dead and its infrastructure ruined several decades earlier? Ridiculous.
Izzy, again, passionate beyond absurd.
This is now just circular. I'm bored with it and I'm sure that many others feel the same.
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