Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[Paddo Colt 61]

And thank you Andy for your restrained but so true compliments. Folks, this man is a stalwart of this site. Happy to share his sensitive poetic talent yet valiant and unshrinking in his defence of reason and in his tussles with the dark side. He doesn't say a lot but what he does contribute has the unmistakable ring of truth and courage and I commend him for it.

Mark my words, if the Roosters fail to win a premiership in the next ten years and disgust and depression whittles away at Pen membership, this fella will be the last man standing. Hey True Blue!

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster;n973960]Look more MSM lies....I especially like the part North Korea will always "stand in the same trench" with Russia.

Nine entertainment headed up by Peter Costello. Another cheer squad leading the sleepwalkers to possible catastrophe. Opinion dressed up as news. This same right wing source rabbited on in the same way about WMDs and the War on Terror.

For a more informed set of propaganda free opinions (provided by Mike Scrafton, a former Chief of Staff and military advisor to the Minister for Defence and another by Cameron Leckie a former ADF officer of 24 years experience) see johnmenade.com today. Theirs is a far more sober (and frightening) analysis.

Again, these are reputable sources not some MSM hack from a mid ranking Catholic High School. Please take the trouble to read them Randy. The MSM is not the word from on high you need to remember that.

[eddie]

This thread is going back and forth without any give or take.
I've done some limited research including Menadue and have decided the topic is far more complex than the msm would have us believe.
As far as people assuming Putin is little more than a war monger, Mr Colt is quite within his rights to point out the hypocrisy of the USA, who are far worse.

[Andrew Walker]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n973948][QUOTE=Andrew Walker; However could we please get back on topic As jaxx has no opinion or idea of whether or not we are blindly heading towards a nuclear conflict over this or as to whether or not he has one true friend that cares. What are your thoughts on the matter as to whether or not this conflict could see us head towards a nuclear conflict.

Timely and well said Andy. At last a voice of sanity. Of course discussion of the wider implications of this thread are what it's all about. Unfortunately some took the path of ideological oppositionism which is really irrelevant as no communists are involved and what if they were? Are we saying "Well if it's nuclear war it'll be Putin's fault"? In the past, I merely stated that I find Marxism intellectually appealing apropos of nothing really but that was seized upon to discredit and divert the essential discussion.

And Icelandic Scaldic.....get outta here....WTF...and here I was thinking that I was the only one. Now I see where your poetic genius comes from (by the way I had no idea that the Poetry thread was terminated, how does one find out these things?) But I digress....Scaldic eh?...indeed you personify the Loki of myth my friend. I have Skald (the French group) playing on Spotify as we speak.[/QUOTE]

My fascination with Icelandic poetry started after seeing a video as a teenager of Bjork talking about her tv and mentioning Icelandic poets. This video is now on you tube It is very clever as whilst most would think she is off her head in this video (I would say she is ) I think she is talking about subliminal images on the tv screen More recently my GF whom has distant Nordic ancestry on her Fathers side who saw my effortless talent as a writer of limericks began discussing Scaldic poets and poetry with me As I said quite fascinating Now just for some light hearted entertainment here is Bjork talking about her tv.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9y6AA5oOo

[mightyrooster]

This thread is going back and forth without any give or take.
I've done some limited research including Menadue and have decided the topic is far more complex than the msm would have us believe.
As far as people assuming Putin is little more than a war monger, Mr Colt is quite within his rights to point out the hypocrisy of the USA, who are far worse.

Hey Eddie, I’ve said many times that the situation is not black and white like you say. The US are always meddling and causing destruction and division around the world. But I think where Paddo and I clash is he seems to think that the US is 100% responsible for everything that goes wrong while Putin, China et al are completely above reproach. I’ve said numerous times that just because I agree the USA are hypocrites and their foreign policy objectives are dangerous and manipulative, does not mean Putin should get a free pass, but Paddo does not accept this and continues to call me out as a US sympathiser and sheeple. It’s impossible to debate him when he does not respect my opinion on this. I accept some of what he is saying but unless I agree with him 100% he refuses to take my views seriously.

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n973965]

Look more MSM lies....I especially like the part North Korea will always "stand in the same trench" with Russia.

Nine entertainment headed up by Peter Costello. Another cheer squad leading the sleepwalkers to possible catastrophe. Opinion dressed up as news. This same right wing source rabbited on in the same way about WMDs and the War on Terror.

For a more informed set of propaganda free opinions (provided by Mike Scrafton, a former Chief of Staff and military advisor to the Minister for Defence and another by Cameron Leckie a former ADF officer of 24 years experience) see johnmenade.com today. Theirs is a far more sober (and frightening) analysis.

Again, these are reputable sources not some MSM hack from a mid ranking Catholic High School. Please take the trouble to read them Randy. The MSM is not the word from on high you need to remember that.

Yes you are correct the WMD was a lie and the mainstream media went with it. But of course the US was going to seek revenge after the 9/11 attacks so the War On Terror was easy to justify to the public as that was horrific.

[mightyrooster]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker;n973970]

My fascination with Icelandic poetry started after seeing a video as a teenager of Bjork talking about her tv and mentioning Icelandic poets. This video is now on you tube It is very clever as whilst most would think she is off her head in this video (I would say she is ) I think she is talking about subliminal images on the tv screen More recently my GF whom has distant Nordic ancestry on her Fathers side who saw my effortless talent as a writer of limericks began discussing Scaldic poets and poetry with me As I said quite fascinating Now just for some light hearted entertainment here is Bjork talking about her tv.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9y6AA5oOo

Well now that Eddie has started a new poetry thread……

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster; .......But I think where Paddo and I clash is he seems to think that the US is 100% responsible for everything that goes wrong while Putin, China et al are completely above reproach....

I don't know much about Putin truth to tell. The wall of lurid propaganda about him is pretty much impenetrable. A professor Jeffrey Sachs from the USA is the only source I've found that is non hysterical but other than that, nyet.

What I do say is that in the current conflict, he (Russia) has a solid case but the MSM persists with the "unprovoked attack" line which is just not true and is essentially war mongering.

It is true, however, that I've called MR one of the sheeple but in a sense we are all sheeple because truth is manipulated by our (The US) media and earlier in the piece MR was not quite as reasonable as she now protests. There were charges which verged on the hysterical - Putin was a new Tsar bent on restoring the Russian Empire and variations on that theme that were, at times, quite emotional - real Boogie Man stuff. I merely took issue with the stridency of all that as most of it was straight out of the MSM. (the sheeple tend to react that way whenever the MSM rattles their cages, take the reaction 9/11 for example - utter bellicose outrage without a thought to the carnage wrought on "inferior" nations throughout the world for decades past.

I do think that when there is chaos and mayhem in the World, it is a safe bet that the US is directly or indirectly the perpetrator, I can't say the same for either Russia or China and I'm happy to debate that.

MR is frustrated with me and I have appeared condescending at times but that should not result in her making things up and misrepresenting me, there are others here who work hard at doing that.

[Random Rooster]

MR is frustrated with me and I have appeared condescending at times but that should not result in her making things up and misrepresenting me, there are others here who work hard at doing that.

You're actually condescending to anyone who doesn't agree with your malarky, which is fine if you were say a Rhodes Scholar but a retired high school teacher doesn't quite make the cut.

( mild personal insult initiated, condescending reply from PC coming up!!)

[mightyrooster]

Yes Paddo, I did say that Putin wanted to rebuild Russia and make it great again. I also said that he has a huge ego and wants to be remembered in the history books as the person who achieved that. Saying he had visions of becoming the new Tsar was my way of expressing that. I’ve also said that Trump has an ego to match Putin, so it’s not a Russian thing but a personality thing for me. Putin is obsessed with and driven by power. Same as Trump. But you’ll just say I’m being too emotional again. But I like to look at the psychology of the personality as I find it fascinating. Also, I don’t believe I made anything up to try and misrepresent you but if you feel I’ve misrepresented you I’m sorry as it wasn’t my intention. If anything I feel that’s what you do to me by condescendingly labelling my opinions as too emotional or insinuating, as a sheep, I do not critically analyse anything I say. When the opposite is in fact the case, as I always put a lot of thought into things, usually to my own detriment as I often over analyse things.

[Paddo Colt 61]

This is a debate MR. You can't take things personally. The merit of argument and persuasiveness is decided by others but in the meanwhile sarcasm, facetiousness, humour, mock horror and irritation are all part of the game. Animus, however, should not be.

And Randy, Ho Chi Minh, Mao Tse Tung, our own Barry Jones and Trudeau were all teachers. It is a honourable profession which was, in the past when options were fewer than today, often a career path for scholars. Sadly that is no longer always the case except, possibly, in Maths and Science. Elsewhere the ATAR has plummeted. Many English teachers can't write a coherent sentence, History and Geography are all over the shop as far as a syllabus is concerned. What is unchanged through the ages is the uninterest and indifference of many students and their parents. If parents sneer at teachers how are their kids going to act? Did you say you left school at the first opportunity?

[ism22]

I do think that when there is chaos and mayhem in the World, it is a safe bet that the US is directly or indirectly the perpetrator, I can't say the same for either Russia or China and I'm happy to debate that.

I respect that's your opinion and you wanna start from this opinion as being assumed knowledge. However, you've failed to meet the threshold test. As such... nothing you say that is based on this assumption has any factual merit.

[ism22]

[Teaching] is a honourable profession which was, in the past when options were fewer than today, often a career path for scholars. Sadly that is no longer always the case except, possibly, in Maths and Science. Elsewhere the ATAR has plummeted. Many English teachers can't write a coherent sentence, History and Geography are all over the shop as far as a syllabus is concerned. What is unchanged through the ages is the uninterest and indifference of many students and their parents. If parents sneer at teachers how are their kids going to act? Did you say you left school at the first opportunity?

You love patting yourself on the back, don't you?

While this odd paragraph is a clear example what you're talking about (a guy who apparently once taught who struggles with English & logical reasoning), I really dunno where you're going with it.

A lot of what you say rests on you being the smartest guy in the room and your favourite blog being the home of intellectual giants... while the foolish mainstream are all a bunch of dimwits.

See I took a constructivist approach to my classes. That is... I was a teacher and lotsa people who I taught were gonna go on to greater things than me. I'm not insecure about that like you are as my job was to provide a student-centres learning environment... not get high and preach to people about the importance of some stupid blog that I'm obsessed with.

Respectfully we've all read your blog amongst other sources and it's a piece of shyte. ANY good learner (including people like me who've done way more that you ever will from a scholarly perspective) will challenge such bullshyte and make up their own mind. Why? Oh right... because learners aren't sheep

Sorry that it irritates you so much to know that today's kinds talk back to delusional farks like you and make-up their own minds on what constitutes a reliable source.

If a kid quoted John Menadue's blog as their only source then ANY teacher would fail them before even look into whether Menadue's a reliable source. Why? Well... because it's a narrow source of reading and it does not contain peer-reviewed materials.q

[mightyrooster]

I was not taking things personally. I was just addressing your accusation that I made things up to misrepresent you. I wish you could stick with the conversation at hand instead of diverting the subject. My comment is all part of the robust debate by the way just in case you were planning another critique.

[Random Rooster]

What sort of fuked up government would put out propaganda glorifying nuclear war in song??? Let me guess- Paddo will say YouTubes auto-english translator is being compromised by the USA?

Putin's cameo at 3.30 is nothing short of a feeble attempt to blow smoke up his own arse. Threatening to blow up the world if Russia is attacked- no country has or ever had any intentions of attacking Russian. Tosser




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