Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[mightyrooster]

What the? This thread has gone to a whole new level of weirdness.

[ism22]

As a Catholic, I reckon I am a pretty good Methodist.

Some wise words there from our overlord. Discuss in 5000 words or more...

[King Salvo]

What the? This thread has gone to a whole new level of weirdness.

Certainly has as Comrade Paddo seems to be arranging a hit on me by some mafia folk


Dean: Shiiiiit! Who do we know down there? Can get a hit on him soon?

Cosiliere: There is a guy.....Paddo Colt they call him. Real mean mother I hear. Outta Paddington back in the day. He might be able to arrange something. Whatever this Salvo fella is dangerous. He knows too much.

[ism22]

Serious question bro... who has the better rig in your opinion:
1. Peter Andre
2. Sonny Bill Williams
3. Eloni Vunakece

[A Country Member]

As an Orthodox, I reckon I am a pretty good Catholic.

• Ukraine’s main Catholic church said it would move to a new calendar that would see Christmas celebrated on December 25 rather than January 7, amid an effort by Ukrainian institutions to break cultural links to Russia. The decision by the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, which counts just less than a tenth of Ukrainians as worshippers, was welcomed by culture minister Oleksandr Tkachenko.

East er is next

[ism22]

More great listening.

[ism22]

International prosecutors say they they found "strong indications" Russian President Vladimir Putin approved the use of a Russian missile system that shot down Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014.

Some solid mainstream news reporting, see more at https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-...rges/101949626

Yes I realise that your 'Senior Fellows of Nowhere' will either deny it or claim that 'the West' pushed them to the brink, forcing them to do it. Seriously, they need to get real lives and go to school.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Yep, the MSM. Did a President, as C in C, authorise the general deployment of deadly force that the USS Vincennes used to blast an Iranian passenger airliner from the sky? No doubt the US will want him arraigned at the ICJ (International Court of Justice), a court system to which the US is NOT a signatory. More cant and Yankee hypocrisy. Have some on here learned nothing from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan?

FFS. You can see how teaching is such a hard gig.

And MR, do you confect that wonderment when we see it on occasion? The "weirdness" is called ridicule and it's richly deserved. I mean a feather weight from the regions with limited knowledge of grammar bucketing the Brookings Institute is beyond ridiculous but I try.

These two have exhausted every card in the pack so far and I'm amazed that some on here still give them creedence. Baaaa baaaa!

[Andrew Walker]

Some solid mainstream news reporting, see more at https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-...rges/101949626

Yes I realise that your 'Senior Fellows of Nowhere' will either deny it or claim that 'the West' pushed them to the brink, forcing them to do it. Seriously, they need to get real lives and go to school.

One of my Daughters best friends is of Russian descent and still has family there The word on the streets of Moscow at the time was a bunch of very drunken Russian soldiers shot the plane down A case of mistaken identity

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=A Country Member; Ukraines main Catholic church said it would move to a new calendar that would see Christmas celebrated on December 25 rather than January 7, amid an effort by Ukrainian institutions to break cultural links to Russia. The decision by the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, which counts just less than a tenth of Ukrainians as worshippers, was welcomed by culture minister Oleksandr Tkachenko. East er is next

Yeah, they're the Catholics from the west, previously part of the Austro Hungarian emperium. They're also the fascists and anti semites who joined in the German invasion and kicked off the eastern Holocaust. No doubt it (the Catholic church) has played a major role in the current situation as well. Just goes to show the division and animus abroad over there. Little wonder that the Donbas region wants autonomy from pro West fascists.

We never hear about it, but the Church has a reprehensible WW2 record ranging from its Concordat with the fascists and Grapevine, the sheltering, and safe passage world wide, of SS war criminals including Eichmann. In some cases, clergy were more than complicit, In the Balkans, the Croation Archbishop Stepinac actively encouraged the killing of Romani, Muslims and Orthodox Christians. He is said to have been presented with bucketloads of human eyes.

The church has been, for milennia, the tool and partner of ruling classes. In the Soviet Union it was quickly dispensed with as far as having any political influence was concerned. The King's wife's impressive Soviet pedigree would suggest that she would have no part of the nonsense that Christianity peddles, too bad about Salvo himself. Baaa...baaa!

And Andy, they weren't drunk on the USS Vincennes. The passenger airliner was climbing away from the vessel, not descending as the Captain later claimed nor was it a Tomcat fighter being ten times the size. But that incident was quite different wasn't it? Iranian pasengers for a start and we all know that they are evil and the US aplogised for God's sake, it was an unfortunate accident. Move on people please. One thing is for sure, the crew will never face the ICJ, the exceptional USA is not subject to its jurisdiction. Baaaa....baaaa.

[mightyrooster]

Oh Paddo, don't worry I picked up on the satire. You continue to disappoint me with your tendency to underestimate my ability to grasp these things. The satire was just way over the top and as it's not your usual way of arguing a point, I thought you may have started to lose it.

[Andrew Walker]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n975029][QUOTE=A Country Member; Ukraines main Catholic church said it would move to a new calendar that would see Christmas celebrated on December 25 rather than January 7, amid an effort by Ukrainian institutions to break cultural links to Russia. The decision by the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, which counts just less than a tenth of Ukrainians as worshippers, was welcomed by culture minister Oleksandr Tkachenko. East er is next

Yeah, they're the Catholics from the west, previously part of the Austro Hungarian emperium. They're also the fascists and anti semites who joined in the German invasion and kicked off the eastern Holocaust. No doubt it (the Catholic church) has played a major role in the current situation as well. Just goes to show the division and animus abroad over there. Little wonder that the Donbas region wants autonomy from pro West fascists.

We never hear about it, but the Church has a reprehensible WW2 record ranging from its Concordat with the fascists and Grapevine, the sheltering, and safe passage world wide, of SS war criminals including Eichmann. In some cases, clergy were more than complicit, In the Balkans, the Croation Archbishop Stepinac actively encouraged the killing of Romani, Muslims and Orthodox Christians. He is said to have been presented with bucketloads of human eyes.

The church has been, for milennia, the tool and partner of ruling classes. In the Soviet Union it was quickly dispensed with as far as having any political influence was concerned. The King's wife's impressive Soviet pedigree would suggest that she would have no part of the nonsense that Christianity peddles, too bad about Salvo himself. Baaa...baaa!

And Andy, they weren't drunk on the USS Vincennes. The passenger airliner was climbing away from the vessel, not descending as the Captain later claimed nor was it a Tomcat fighter being ten times the size. But that incident was quite different wasn't it? Iranian pasengers for a start and we all know that they are evil and the US aplogised for God's sake, it was an unfortunate accident. Move on people please. One thing is for sure, the crew will never face the ICJ, the exceptional USA is not subject to its jurisdiction. Baaaa....baaaa.

[/QUOTE]

PC Im only repeating the word on the streets of Moscow at the time I can imagine you would have far more knowledge and intel than such peasants

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Andrew Walker; PC Im only repeating the word on the streets of Moscow at the time I can imagine you would have far more knowledge and intel than such peasants.

Not bagging you Andy. Just elaborating on your comment. That people were drunk is entirely possible and reasonable. What is unreasonable is our MSM's (the Us's) claim that because Putin authorised military assistance to ethnic Russians in the beleagued Donbas, he is responsible for the MH17 tragedy. It's kinda hypocritical of the US wouldn't we think?

You may be assured that your input is always appreciated.

[ism22]

Mate you seem to be personally invested in defending the legacy of this random as hell ex-staffer/mandarin. Is there something you're not telling us?

[Paddo Colt 61]

Wotevah man. Baaaa....baaaa!