Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[King Salvo]

Yes Comrade Paddo Menadue is a comment and opinion site only and anything written on that site and copied and posted on here from that site that you incessantly do should be treated as such.

They are not experts either - Just a bunch of people from a bygone era who are just as irrelevant in the 21st Century as many of them were in the 20th Century.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Mmmm...don't know about that. Ex PMs, ex diplomats. I feel that you're talking about yourself in your comment there.

[King Salvo]

Mmmm...don't know about that. Ex PMs, ex diplomats. I feel that you're talking about yourself in your comment there.

Not at all as they are ex for a reason and certainly from a bygone era as well as being irrelevant in today's world.

When was Keating last in politics - 1996 - 27 years ago - Menadue - no doubt that political appointments enabled him to land a ambassador role and those Department Head roles as well - The last one he held was in 1987 and that's 36 years ago.

But again as you quite rightly pointed out they are comments and opinions by these folk and not something you should ever hang your hat on as being the gospel truth.

[Paddo Colt 61]

What? You think MSM is not more opinion than "gospel truth". And it is reported by the same young twits that Keating excoriated at the presser?

What? You think any serving politician would buy into anything controversial? They're all looking over the shoulder at our near monopoly Right Wing media and, again, the twits who serve it.

What's the bet that you'd receive anything that Johnny Howard says with nodding approval?

Bagging Keating and a site like Menadue's is a loser buddy. You need to realise that.

[ism22]

Not at all as they are ex for a reason and certainly from a bygone era as well as being irrelevant in today's world.

When was Keating last in politics - 1996 - 27 years ago - Menadue - no doubt that political appointments enabled him to land a ambassador role and those Department Head roles as well - The last one he held was in 1987 and that's 36 years ago.

But again as you quite rightly pointed out they are comments and opinions by these folk and not something you should ever hang your hat on as being the gospel truth.

Old mate's position has not and will not change...

- Bitter ex-insiders who love grabbing a mic and having a self-fulfilling yarn about how their regime understood things whereas today's mob are clueless is 'brave' and 'telling it as it is'.

- When somebody defects to Russia/China in exchange for money and/or fame this is very 'brave' and they are 'daring to share the unspeakable truth'.

- People who risk their lives / careers to speak out against authoritarian regimes are either lying or puppets of Rupert Murdoch (who secretly runs the CIA with Bill Gates and Lady Gaga). Nothing bad happens inside authoritarian dictatorships. In fact, they are the heroes of human rights.

[King Salvo]

The only loser is you Comrade Paddo in being so infatuated with a website and the propaganda it promulgates that it's completely taken over your life and thoughts - That's what Brainwashing does

Again it's only a comment and opinion site - like a fictional movie - it's not real life or anyway reality. - You need to understand that

[ism22]

The only loser is you Comrade Paddo in being so infatuated with a website and the propaganda it promulgates that it's completely taken over your life and thoughts - That's what Brainwashing does

Again it's only a comment and opinion site - like a fictional movie - it's not real life or anyway reality. - You need to understand that

I've blocked the guy because he's a waste of time.

He's clueless on this topic and for whatever reason loves arguing that a blatant cash for comment 'blog' that endorses authoritarian regimes is telling us all the 'truth'.

Such blogs are allowed in our country because we are not living under an authoritarian regime. D!ckheads are allowed to deny the Tiananmen Square Massacre, forced labour camps in China, Russia's unilateral invasion of Ukraine, the Holocaust...etc no matter how obnoxious/disrespectful this is to those with lived experience.

My suggestion is that people ignore this shyte as time wasted on it is time that could be spent doing something more productive. The facts are out there in both mainstream reporting and independent vlogs run by experts, like the one I'll link to below (guy who lived in China for more than a decade, speaks fluent Mandarin, did a cr@p load of enjoyable travel and was then forced out because the CCP didn't like his vlogging of Inner Mongolia... coz there's lotsa anti-CCP riots, separatist movements and unique ethnicities...etc floating around that must not be spoken about):

[Jacks Fur Coat]

The only loser is you Comrade Paddo in being so infatuated with a website and the propaganda it promulgates that it's completely taken over your life and thoughts - That's what Brainwashing does

Again it's only a comment and opinion site - like a fictional movie - it's not real life or anyway reality. - You need to understand that

Its a bit sad really. But on the flipside, this footy fan forum shouldn't be used as a therapy couch for a disturbed old man.

[Random Rooster]

Just watching live from Belgium the ceremony of Finland becoming the 31st member of NATO. Good one Vlad, you got that neighbour a exponential pass. Sweden is next

[ism22]

Just watching live from Belgium the ceremony of Finland becoming the 31st member of NATO. Good one Vlad, you got that neighbour a exponential pass. Sweden is next

Russia's invasion and economy are failing, time for another 'blame "the west" campaign'!

[ism22]

Another 'real story'. Why do conspiracy theorists always purport to be telling the 'truth' or the 'real story' when they're spreading absolute bollocks?

Tiananmen Square protests of 1989

Guessing the reason old mate won't move to China is that the 'Pen would now be banned since I've shared images/opinions that the CCP has banned. In short he couldn't have these arguments because nobody would be able to argue back without being arrested.

Which are... arguments that Australia's actions are that of a vicious authoritarian dictatorship, where you'll get locked up for saying pro-CCP/Kremlin stuff or criticising our government (which funnily enough hasn't happened to him, John Menadue, Bob Carr, Paul Keating, Shanghai Sam...etc).

Sigh... the curse of democracy is that you can say literally anything, even if it's absolute bullshyte to the point where it's misleading as fark

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Sigh... the curse of democracy is that even absolute morons get a say

No bigger moron than you Ace

[zac]

Its a bit sad really. But on the flipside, this footy fan forum shouldn't be used as a therapy couch for a disturbed old man.

jfc ... how can you complain about people mouthing off in the off-topic section? it's not compulsory to come here you know. we're all pots and kettles.

how many souths supporting politically conservative posters would you swap for paddo?

like rr i was interested to see finland go into nato. he's a winner, putin

[Paddo Colt 61]

Whoahhh Izzy. Chill man. Why on earth would you post propaganda pics of things that have been exposed as being just that? Didn't happen, read the Wikileaks evidence - US Embassy no less.

Likewise the Uighurs. Far from settled yet, the mass has bought the story. The irony is that the US was killing 'em when they were fighting with ISIS. Fundamentalist jihadists and proclaimed as Terrorists by the UN (still does) and the US until Pompey conveniently removed them from their list. But the mass does believe, as they have since Thucydides noted that most people believed the first opinion they heard.

Could we not have had a decent conversation without all of the ridiculous stuff that's replaced it? I mean it's all going to go on - conflict that is, and there's nil that we can do about it except gab with others at the extent we are media manipulated or that society is. We, hopefully, are not, we've got Menadue. We've got Malcolm Fraser, or we've got his book, to tell us the truth.

See? These threads are not about China or Ukraine or Russia, They're about truth which is not the long suit of the MSM.
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[King Salvo]

The closest Comrade Paddo would ever come to moving to China is when he visits his local Chinese takeaway.