Minus Western propaganda what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[Paddo Colt 61]

Don't these two (Heckle & Jeckle) just take the cake and the Meathead trophy as well. I know that Jax is of a similar ilk but are they typical of Oz opinion? Polls say that a big majority of Australians are against joining in another disaster trumped up by the USA but this trio doesn't miss a beat. "The ANZACs won our freedom" they parroted on that pitiful thread that the site drunk has recently initiated. Oh yeah? Was that done by invading other countries that bore us no ill?

Ironically Libs in the Menzies government pushed for surrender terms with Japan when PNG was invaded and the trio have gotta be Libs.

[King Salvo]

Poor Comrade Paddo still posting his anti west nonsensical balderdash like a good little brainwashed soldier of his beloved Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes and of course his brainwasher Menadue.

More fictional opinion poll results I see like the one Comrade Paddo often quotes about the 95% satisfaction of respondents in China with his beloved Chinese Commo Authoritarian and Totalitarian Regime.

A 15 year survey of 32.000 respondents undertaken by a Beijing approved polling and surveying organisation.

Absolute balderdash again from Comrade Paddo that the Menzies Government pushed for surrender terms at all with Japan.

There was a Royal Commission into these allegation. The Commission reported in July 1943 that there was no evidence supporting an official plan to abandon most of Australia to invading forces, and that the files for the time in question were complete.

Just more of your failed deception and misrepresentation of the West to promote your failed boring as Anti West agenda.

Absolute disgrace to dish the ANZAC name which clearly shows what type of individual you are.

FFS just leave and migrate to Russia , China or North Korea

[ism22]

I've blocked him so can't read what he's saying. However, there's no new content. In short his ramblings include:

- Parroting of pro-Kremlin/CCP propaganda that has been created by 50 Cent Army imbeciles (e.g. 'The Ambassador' or one of many 'Senior Fellows' of non-existent countries).

- Quoting a non-existent survey that claims the whole world trusts China/Russia as their new world leaders. So... the US, UK, Europe, Japan, emerging Asian economies...etc? MOVE ASIDE! We don't want you, we wanna be a satellite Russian/Chinese state with an agenda that strongly opposes the validity of your leadership/prosperity. Ace diplomatic move there, son.

- Weird claims that he's a senile old dude who spent ~60 years teaching at a dodgy as fark public school so is pretty much a Harvard professor. In reality he's more likely a dumb kid who's bitter and going nowhere in life because he spends too much time smoking bongs & reading propaganda on Menadue's stupid little blog. Grow up, son! Grow up. You're not fooling anybody.

[Andrew Walker]

Don't these two (Heckle & Jeckle) just take the cake and the Meathead trophy as well. I know that Jax is of a similar ilk but are they typical of Oz opinion? Polls say that a big majority of Australians are against joining in another disaster trumped up by the USA but this trio doesn't miss a beat. "The ANZACs won our freedom" they parroted on that pitiful thread that the site drunk has recently initiated. Oh yeah? Was that done by invading other countries that bore us no ill?

Ironically Libs in the Menzies government pushed for surrender terms with Japan when PNG was invaded and the trio have gotta be Libs.

I find myself wondering if both or either heckle and jeckle are familiar with the name Cannakale. No doubt one will immediately google it and will now be familiar, I also wonder if either of these two are aware of the enormous loss of Turkish life here relative to the Anzacs Most did not even know of Australia or NZ but here they were defending their land against people or Countries they had no knowldege of let alone bearing any ill will towards them These are truths that heckle and jeckle along with many others find very hard to accept

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Poor Comrade Paddo still posting his anti west nonsensical balderdash like a good little brainwashed soldier of his beloved Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes and of course his brainwasher Menadue.

More fictional opinion poll results I see like the one Comrade Paddo often quotes about the 95% satisfaction of respondents in China with his beloved Chinese Commo Authoritarian and Totalitarian Regime.

A 15 year survey of 32.000 respondents undertaken by a Beijing approved polling and surveying organisation.

Absolute balderdash again from Comrade Paddo that the Menzies Government pushed for surrender terms at all with Japan.

There was a Royal Commission into these allegation. The Commission reported in July 1943 that there was no evidence supporting an official plan to abandon most of Australia to invading forces, and that the files for the time in question were complete.

Just more of your failed deception and misrepresentation of the West to promote your failed boring as Anti West agenda.

Absolute disgrace to dish the ANZAC name which clearly shows what type of individual you are.

FFS just leave and migrate to Russia , China or North Korea

Yeah, dumping on our servicemen and women is the lowest of the low. But not unexpected from this deluded entity.

If you dont support your closest allies and friends in a stoush, your own weakness opens you up to individual attacks and grabs down the track. To whit the Chinese hostility and power grabs in our region now. A nation our size has to respect and support the US and Britains of the world. We sure as well will be calling on them.

The haters dont understand the difference between a political ideology and appreciating and respecting what our countrymen have given for their country, not themselves individually. To them ideolgy rules, and the lack of emotional intelligence on the grand scale, and latent hypocrisy is laid bare.

They are a vocal minority though, and the heartbeat of the place respects and honours those unbelievable sacrifices. The Anzac spirit lives on alive and well unsullied by an ignorant political agenda.

[A Country Member]

People, help with a question I have.

Who owns Darwin port?

1. Chinese owned co Landbridge for $506m
2. The US forces stationed there
3. Australians
4. First Nation Australians

[Random Rooster]

No, you need to read much more widely and take those biased blinkers off. You won't read anything approaching truth in our criminal MSM. The SMH's recent warmongering should be a lesson to all. These people are lying and it's not for the first time either.

Unforch, cognitive dissonance is hard to deal with, you either face reality and revise your thinking or, because of the discouraging effort required, you double down, thrusting the head further into the sand like silly ol' Kingsley and the sublimely gormless Izzy who has initiated a epicurean thread I see. No doubt a MKR devotee, he personifies the tag "mainstream". Happy, apparently, to see his kids vaporized in a US contrived war with China - yet another of their wars!

This thread from John Pilger makes uncomfortable reading, I'd be interested in your response Randy.
https://johnmenadue.com/the-coming-w...e-to-speak-up/.

Here's my response- which ill condense because i'll just be going over my beliefs which i have already expressed;


China is not a threat to Australia- in fact, they are vital to our success in the future. I disagree with any media portrayal of China as a military or economic threat to Australia. I really don't think most Australians see China as a threat, except for those nutjobs who ring 2GB and say we need to be tougher on China- using their Chinese made iPhone to make the call, watching Paul Murray on their Hisense TV...surrounded by Chinese made white goods, appliances, clothing, etc.


It has always frustrated China that Australia is willing to strengthen economic ties, but chooses to side with longstanding ally America for security. If you're a Australian citizen and don't like the pro American direction our government are taking us then don't vote for that party come election time. If you find that both major parties have the same pro American security policies and you feel very strongly against this then move to New Zealand!


I also agree that the US foreign policies and interference has created a lot of the worlds instability- especially in the middle east. However this means nothing regarding the Ukraine invasion


I dont agree with the authors view of the events of 2014 that led to the removal of President Viktor Yanukovych- there's been enough written in this thread about it so i will leave it at that.


The article also failed to report that The Kyiv District Administrative Court has overturned the Kyiv City Council’s decision to rename Moscow Avenue to Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kyiv in January 2021- crucial information but it didn't suit the narrative.

So what's the outcome 15 months into the Ukraine invasion? Finland is fast forwarded into NATO- Sweden soon to follow- Putin doesn't care because this isn't about protecting Russia's borders or security-nor is it about ridding Ukraine of Nazis or any other bullshit smokescreen- just like Russia's annexation of Crimea its a power play to control a country that Putin believes belongs to Russia. Here is the reality on what is happening on the war fields of Ukraine from Russian mercenary Wagner group leader on how its going at Bakhmut .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-bALDPCp4w


Someone explain to me what has been achieved by Russia by invading Ukraine? Certainly Russia's combat shortcomings has been exposed - for a world superpower not to be able to capture a neighbouring minnow is embarrassing at best. Putin has now been exiled from all world leaders forums ( despite the alleged 90% support of the world). He is despised in Europe but i guess he can still go holidaying in North Korea or China. He has plenty of time to sit in the Kremlin and lookout the window for US sent drones that are out to assassinate him.


So i dont believe everything reported by MSM (and i dont think anyone really does)- nor do i believe everything reported/opinions expressed from independent news outlets. There is truth and lies in both sides of reporting.

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Here's my response- which ill condense because i'll just be going over my beliefs which i have already expressed;


China is not a threat to Australia- in fact, they are vital to our success in the future. I disagree with any media portrayal of China as a military or economic threat to Australia. I really don't think most Australians see China as a threat, except for those nutjobs who ring 2GB and say we need to be tougher on China- using their Chinese made iPhone to make the call, watching Paul Murray on their Hisense TV...surrounded by Chinese made white goods, appliances, clothing, etc.


It has always frustrated China that Australia is willing to strengthen economic ties, but chooses to side with longstanding ally America for security. If you're a Australian citizen and don't like the pro American direction our government are taking us then don't vote for that party come election time. If you find that both major parties have the same pro American security policies and you feel very strongly against this then move to New Zealand!


I also agree that the US foreign policies and interference has created a lot of the worlds instability- especially in the middle east. However this means nothing regarding the Ukraine invasion


I dont agree with the authors view of the events of 2014 that led to the removal of President Viktor Yanukovych- there's been enough written in this thread about it so i will leave it at that.


The article also failed to report that The Kyiv District Administrative Court has overturned the Kyiv City Council’s decision to rename Moscow Avenue to Stepan Bandera Avenue in Kyiv in January 2021- crucial information but it didn't suit the narrative.

So what's the outcome 15 months into the Ukraine invasion? Finland is fast forwarded into NATO- Sweden soon to follow- Putin doesn't care because this isn't about protecting Russia's borders or security-nor is it about ridding Ukraine of Nazis or any other bullshit smokescreen- just like Russia's annexation of Crimea its a power play to control a country that Putin believes belongs to Russia. Here is the reality on what is happening on the war fields of Ukraine from Russian mercenary Wagner group leader on how its going at Bakhmut .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-bALDPCp4w


Someone explain to me what has been achieved by Russia by invading Ukraine? Certainly Russia's combat shortcomings has been exposed - for a world superpower not to be able to capture a neighbouring minnow is embarrassing at best. Putin has now been exiled from all world leaders forums ( despite the alleged 90% support of the world). He is despised in Europe but i guess he can still go holidaying in North Korea or China. He has plenty of time to sit in the Kremlin and lookout the window for US sent drones that are out to assassinate him.


So i dont believe everything reported by MSM (and i dont think anyone really does)- nor do i believe everything reported/opinions expressed from independent news outlets. There is truth and lies in both sides of reporting.

Hi Random Rooster

I think you are mistaken to think most Aussies aren't concerned about China as a military or security threat. The below is a summary by the Lowy Institute using polls taken during the last 6 years or so, showing an increasing level of concern.


China


As Australia’s relationship with China has declined, public opinion towards China has fallen sharply. In recent years, Australians have increasingly viewed China’s economic growth as a negative, while they have historically been concerned about China’s human rights record and military.

Trust, warmth and confidence in China and China’s leader started to decline in 2017, and continue to remain at record lows in 2022. In 2022, a substantial number of Australians are concerned about China becoming a military threat to Australia. Setting a new record by some margin, three-quarters of Australians (75%) say it is very or somewhat likely that China will become a military threat to Australia in the next 20 years, an increase of 29 points since 2018.

In February 2022, the leaders of Russia and China held a high-level summit, prior to Russia invading Ukraine. Most Australians (87%) say they are concerned about China–Russia cooperation, with a majority (56%) saying they are ‘very concerned’ about the relationship between the two countries.

Most Australians continue to hold very low levels of trust in China, with 12% saying they trust China somewhat or a great deal, a 40-point decrease since 2018. Only 11% of Australians say they have a lot or some confidence in President Xi Jinping to do the right thing regarding world affairs. This figure has halved since 2020 (22%) and has fallen by 32 points since 2018 (43%).

As well as a military threat, many Australians see China as a security threat. In 2022, two-thirds of Australians (63%) say China is ‘more of a security threat’ to Australia, while 33% say China is ‘more of an economic partner’ to Australia. Both of these figures have not changed since 2021.

As Australians are increasingly concerned about potential conflict in the region, a bare majority (51%) say that Australia should remain neutral in the event of a military conflict between China and the United States. This figure has fallen six points since 2021. Almost half (46%) say Australia should support the United States in such a conflict, a five-point increase from last year. Only 1% say Australia should support China.

As in 2021, there is a generational difference on this question. More than half the population aged over 45 (55%) say Australia should support the United States, while only 36% of Australians aged 18–44 agree with that approach. Younger Australians are more likely to say Australia should remain neutral, with six in ten Australians aged 18–44 (60%) choosing this position. Only 43% of Australians aged 45 and over prefer neutrality.

As Australians increasingly express concern about a potential conflict between the United States and China over Taiwan, a slim majority of Australians (51%) would favour using the Australian military ‘if China invaded Taiwan and the United States decided to intervene’. This marks an eight-point increase since the question was last asked in 2019

[Random Rooster]

Hi Random Rooster

I think you are mistaken to think most Aussies aren't concerned about China as a military or security threat. The below is a summary by the Lowy Institute using polls taken during the last 6 years or so, showing an increasing level of concern.

I'll stand corrected. My judgement was distorted by the fact that most of my family and friends don't see China in a negative light!

[Paddo Colt 61]

While Jaxie's post re anti China public opinion is probably correct, it is pretty much misses the real story. Why did the public reverse its positive opinion of China so quickly? Well first, our population ain't the smartest when it it comes to complicated issues. Don't wanna know is blunt but essentially true. Most of the punters have far less than a passing interest in politics and on the subject of geopolitics we are at the mercy of a US dominated Anglophone propaganda media plus a committed right wing local near monopoly which the Sheeple say they don't trust but unfailingly do.

The bulk of that Sheeple cohort is the old buggers according to Lowey. No surprises there. It is an ill educated cohort brain addled by Anzac and all sorts of hilarious media fabrications over time including the Libs being the better money managers, ANZUS actually meaning something and the US being benign of motive but determined to preserve freedom for the little bloke and hang the cost.

Raised during the Cold War, it is archly conservative generation, anti republican and sentimental about the Monarchy. During the Viet War it and its parents voted, in 3 consecutive elections, to continue the invasion. All courtesy of Murdoch and Packer before that.

It was that very same media which achieved the dramatic turn around figures that are reflected in the Lowy figures. We had a right wing religious nut Crusader government that provided regular anti China grist for the local media mill. And we bought it despite the obvious blessing that China is to us.

[King Salvo]

Ho Hum another Anti I Hate the West but too chicken to migrate East Rant by the Brainwashed Commo in Comrade Paddo

The Red Sheepie is failing in his propaganda apprenticeship to convince us in the "evil" west to follow him down the red road to the workers paradise so his handler will send him back to undertake the 101 propaganda course again.


Gravitas: Inside China's propaganda machine

[Random Rooster]

Economic ties have changed China's demands on Australia (and vice versa) over the past two decades. China addressed its grievances with Australia in 2020 with a list of "14 demands"--i'm sure Paddo knows about it, but for those who don't, you can Google it. You can form your own opinions since the demands come directly from the Chinese government. There is no interference from any media.

[ism22]

Sigh... I can't see what's going on (have blocked old mate) but what's driving this thread given he's just repeating himself and being a nuisance?

I was reading this one today and it got me thinking about our comrade https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...ases/102285772

In short, since the advent of COVID restrictions we've seen a heap of disillusioned people going to court to challenge things like parking tickets and then dropping a ~300 page submission on the magistrate that's like 'I have been reading some blog and it told me the TRUTH!!! The MSM is wrong, the west is all corrupt and none of your laws are valid!!!' [Blaaah blah blah... Paddo Cult style anti-western rants that claim we're all being brainwashed and our system's worse than Russia/China]

What is old mate's end game? He's manning multiple accounts on a small footy forum (for a team he doesn't even support) and is using the off-topic section to try and convince ~3 people that we should all be religiously reading a niche opinions blog full of anti-western propaganda.

WHY?!?!? I get that the MSM has SOME #FakeNews and political bias (trust me, I'm more than capable of detecting such things). However, old mate's not even talking about that. He's telling us to never consume any form of western media other than a blog manned by random defectors who are trying to be relevant by leveraging 50 Cent Army contacts. This is not good 'journalism' and the agenda behind this cr@p is blatantly obvious.

Sigh. The curse of democracy really is that everybody gets to say whatever they want, no matter how stupid and illogical it is!

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster; China addressed its grievances with Australia in 2020 with a list of "14 demands"--i'm sure Paddo knows about it, but for those who don't, you can Google it. You can form your own opinions since the demands come directly from the Chinese government. There is no interference from any media.

Unwittingly Randy, you endorse my comments regarding the influence of an unreliable right wing media on popular opinion. Our former crusader government went out of its way to provoke China even, unilaterally, calling for an investigation of the origins of Covid. China information centres in universities were shut down, Huawei 5G was proscribed, Chinese journalists here were harrassed etc. In response China announced a list of "grievances", not "demands" re Australia's unfriendly attitude but our biased MSM, led by China Hawk, Peter Hartcher (also the author of the recent outrageous "Red Alert" in the SMH) quickly dubbed it a list of "demands" in order to get the punters' backs up. It was no such thing as the article below makes clear. It was written by Geoffrey Raby, a former Australian ambassador to China. A career high level public servant, his credentials are unimpeachable. Obviously you, as an ordinary punter, prefer the views of the MSM which you also claim not to trust in surveys.

[url]https://johnmenadue.com/geoff-raby-australia-deserves-a-more-sensible-discussion-of-our-relations-with-china/[/url]

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Sigh... I can't see what's going on (have blocked old mate) but what's driving this thread given he's just repeating himself and being a nuisance?

I was reading this one today and it got me thinking about our comrade https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...ases/102285772

In short, since the advent of COVID restrictions we've seen a heap of disillusioned people going to court to challenge things like parking tickets and then dropping a ~300 page submission on the magistrate that's like 'I have been reading some blog and it told me the TRUTH!!! The MSM is wrong, the west is all corrupt and none of your laws are valid!!!' [Blaaah blah blah... Paddo Cult style anti-western rants that claim we're all being brainwashed and our system's worse than Russia/China]

What is old mate's end game? He's manning multiple accounts on a small footy forum (for a team he doesn't even support) and is using the off-topic section to try and convince ~3 people that we should all be religiously reading a niche opinions blog full of anti-western propaganda.

WHY?!?!? I get that the MSM has SOME #FakeNews and political bias (trust me, I'm more than capable of detecting such things). However, old mate's not even talking about that. He's telling us to never consume any form of western media other than a blog manned by random defectors who are trying to be relevant by leveraging 50 Cent Army contacts. This is not good 'journalism' and the agenda behind this cr@p is blatantly obvious.

Sigh. The curse of democracy really is that everybody gets to say whatever they want, no matter how stupid and illogical it is!

You blocked him but you still need to talk about him. You are a festering turd of a man.