The China Thing - are we on the wrong side of history?

[Paddo Colt 61]

I read the poem, Futility (Robert Owen) the other day. I was helping my Grandson, the Paddo Colt, with homework. It's an anti war poem from WW1 and it's despairing of human the folly of the war.

I despair of the cavalier way that we all sleepwalk toward plain disaster without seeking the hardest evidence. The German people, the ordinary people, did it. Their emotions overcame them.

Country Member ( I snigger every time I say that name) mentioned the cancer of the American soft power which has the masses enthralled here and all over the West. Marx never factored that in. Glimpses of modern young adulthood provoke feeling of futility in me - "Reveals" of baby scans, the pathetic Hens' Nights" (I live near the Cross) from which it's hard to avert your gaze, like a car accident, Husband and wife "performances" at weddings, names like "Destiny", "Latrell", "Shaquille", "Starford" - there was a bloke on MKR the other night named "Che". Gone, clearly, are names like "Barry", "Les", Neville", "Gay", "Mildred" or "Lorraine".

The cadence of young female speech is another thing - that fried voice with American pronunciations and phrases. "Impordant" with a "D" annoys me so does "legislature" with a hard "G". And the phrases! "Have a nice day" started it but, boy, "Sorry for your loss", "Excuse me" and what about "Reach out"? I thought that its irony was hilarious when it was used in the "Sopranos" but now it's everywhere.

No chance that many of our young would give john menadue.com a run. "Old fossils" the youg -ism said in the most empty headed remark I've read on here and that's sayin' sumphin.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=mightyrooster; Exactly Eddie. Just because you can see and agree that the US are bullies does not automatically mean China (or Russia) are poor innocent victims. Because clearly neither are.
Also, I'm sure Tiananmen Square was just orchestrated by the corrupt western media so as to brainwash us dumbos for life.

Nah, Eddie's off his trolley - Ground control to Eddie.....

Of course he wouldn't want to live in HK wouldn't have wanted to before the handover. Spoiler..it's China Edwin.
No evidence of corruption in China. The CCP enjoys 96% popularity as polled by Harvard University's Brookings Institute.

Taiwan, too, is China. Only recently did it become a "Democracy". It had been authoritarian since 1949.

Watch that MSM Cool Aid MR. I've told you where to find reasoned informed opinions.

[eddie]

Nah, Eddie's off his trolley - Ground control to Eddie.....

Planet earth is blue.............and there's nothing I can do.

[eddie]

I should say, I can't see how colt can defend what happened at Tiananmen Square.

[Paddo Colt 61]

Not "defending" anything Edwin, just wondering what really happened there. The Pandora papers (leaked and validated official documents) tell a different story to Western propagandists. "Aw...I do't believe that!" is head in the sand stuff.

Correction. Wikileaks is the source of leaked documents regarding Tienanmen Square, not the Pandora Papers. No wonder the Americans want to punish Assange.

Anyway, I said before that I'm not going to engage with you, I can read the Tele if I need to know your thoughts political. Your "gut feeling" before the election could not have been more wrong in the light of what's been uncovered. The one whom you imagined would lead us all to the sunlit uplands as turned out to be right nutter. You are not one to be taken seriously.

[eddie]

My "gut feeling" before the election was that the country might not be able to afford a labour government at this time. I am yet to be proved wrong at all. I did not comment on Morrison.
What really happened at Tiananmen Square was that a lot more people died than your precious China is willing to admit.

[Andrew Walker]

My "gut feeling" before the election was that the country might not be able to afford a labour government at this time. I am yet to be proved wrong at all. I did not comment on Morrison.
What really happened at Tiananmen Square was that a lot more people died than your precious China is willing to admit.

My dear Eddie what has hit us in the way of inflation and the like was coming no matter who won the last election

[eddie]

My dear Eddie what has hit us in the way of inflation and the like was coming no matter who won the last election

What about the green over-reaction?

[Paddo Colt 61]

(a) Not my "precious China", my precious life and the lives of my progeny. for what? US hegemony?

(b) What happened in Tiananmen Square is related by diplomatic eye witnesses on US files leaked to Wiki. Easy to google it, read it! You'll get a better idea of why the US wants Assange in a Supermax over there. Their own documents reveal them as liars.

(c) Concerned about the welfare of business or possible Labor generosity to pensioners but not about the Libs' profligacy that we're now left to pay off? In my experience "gut feelings" are the pious hopes of dyed in the wool working class tories.

[ism22]

(a) Not my "precious China", my precious life and the lives of my progeny. for what? US hegemony?

(b) What happened in Tiananmen Square is related by diplomatic eye witnesses on US files leaked to Wiki. Easy to google it, read it! You'll get a better idea of why the US wants Assange in a Supermax over there. Their own documents reveal them as liars.

(c) Concerned about the welfare of business or possible Labor generosity to pensioners but not about the Libs' profligacy that we're now left to pay off? In my experience "gut feelings" are the pious hopes of died in the wool working class tories.

Download an app called WeChat, move to China and send somebody a message saying 'Tiananmen Square massacre'. Tell me how you go.

Alternatively... live in the evil dictatorship that is Australia, visit John Menadue's radical website of conspiracy theories every day and flood a forum about a footy team with pro-Russia / pro-China conspiracy theories that contradict mainstream reporting. Tell me when ASIO comes calling... mate. [Crickets are heard fornicating in the background].

PS - I see what you did there with there Assange BTW LOLz. I was laughing my butt off reading you constantly cite the farking Pandora Papers (which exposed financial wrongdoing & other dirty dealings within Russia's elite). My brother's wife immigrated here due to the Tiananmen Square massacre. I have spoken to an eye witness of what happened and am satisfied that her account is accurate. Tried doing that, mate? Lemme guess. Menadue knows best.

[mightyrooster]

(a) Not my "precious China", my precious life and the lives of my progeny. for what? US hegemony?

(b) What happened in Tiananmen Square is related by diplomatic eye witnesses on US files leaked to Wiki. Easy to google it, read it! You'll get a better idea of why the US wants Assange in a Supermax over there. Their own documents reveal them as liars.

(c) Concerned about the welfare of business or possible Labor generosity to pensioners but not about the Libs' profligacy that we're now left to pay off? In my experience "gut feelings" are the pious hopes of died in the wool working class tories.

Too many big words for me there Paddo. You need to dumb it down for me or I lose interest. Or maybe it’s just the same message I’ve heard from you before but in more fancier language.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=ism; PS - I see what you did there with there Assange BTW LOLz. I was laughing my butt off reading you constantly cite the farking Pandora Papers (which exposed financial wrongdoing & other dirty dealings within Russia's elite). My brother's wife immigrated here due to the Tiananmen Square massacre. I have spoken to an eye witness of what happened and am satisfied that her account is accurate. Tried doing that, mate? Lemme guess.

Jeez, was she one the Fisher folk? She was there, at Tiananmen Square and migrated because of the horror she'd been through? Or Chinese and a relative of a student in Australia, in other words just a regular immigrant who'd read something about it in the Straits Times?

And lo! An eyewitness has arisen, deus machina, to contradict the accounts in US diplomatic cables. Whom should we believe? Oh, -ism's mate, every time! -ism don't exaggerate anything though he does get on the piss a fair bit - nasty drunk.

[zac]

i wouldn't trust the ccp but western media has its own bias and cultural blind spots too.
as to the thread's question - it's hard to know what's right, and i don't have a problem with aukus but the government needs to get its diplomacy boots on and improve the country's relationship with china. china's here to stay in the region

[A Country Member]

Too many big words for me there Paddo. You need to dumb it down for me or I lose interest. Or maybe it’s just the same message I’ve heard from you before but in more fancier language.

What’s your understanding of Fisher folk mr?
Is that a good neighbourhood?

[mightyrooster]

What’s your understanding of Fisher folk mr?
Is that a good neighbourhood?

Are those two questions related Member?
Are they both related to China?