Minus Russian propaganda, what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[mightyrooster]

Pretty much ay.

There's no dichotomy here where you have to be for the Iraq war if you oppose Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

I'm opposed to wars in general. Particularly when it's an attempt to conquer a neighbour that refuses to submit to you on a political level.

Yep exactly. Just because I oppose Putin’s ‘special military operation’ doesn’t mean I endorse US foreign policy.

[Random Rooster]

Americans get a say on Russian state TV too.....

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...46150612385792

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster; Yes this sort of conspiracy type rubbish from Pilger really tells you plenty about his credibility.
An "independent" reporter doesn't always equal a " non biased " reporter.

How about a two times winner of the highest award in British journalism awarded by his peers? And his BAFTA award for his filmic contributions? What do they tell you?

Consensus opinions? Do you mean what the majority of people think? Knowing nothing to begin with like you two MSM junkies (you and Izzy), the sheeple are worked over with lies and propaganda until literally brainwashed. Consensus opinion means only that that hope (that they are being told the truth) has, once again, triumphed over experience - fool me once.......-

The Western media have long since done a hatchet job on Pilger as it has on just about every other influential thinker and writer - Noam Chomski, Gore Vidal, Al Gore, Jeremy Corbin etc, etc....We have ratbags like Jones and Hadley slagging off at intellectual titans and being believed.

Izzy another one who ignores facts about the USA, invariably giving it the benefit of doubt on every issue since the nuclear bombing of two civilian targets which is the kind of end result that US propaganda dreams about.

An "illegal" war is one entered without UN sanction and that therefore includes Iraq and Iran, Serbia in the 90s and the present action in The Yemen. The US uses the UN for its own purposes otherwise it ignores it. For old man Biden to make that ridiculous speech at the UN last week demonising Russia was/is the height of hypocrisy. The idea that the US criticises another about unilateral aggression is laughable.

[Random Rooster]

Here you go PC.....a MSM report that is sort of expressing the same views that you do. You could be Australia's Tucker Carlson. It's a good gig-he's on 35 million a year!

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...tin-propaganda

[ism22]

...The Western media have long since done a hatchet job on Pilger as it has on just about every other influential thinker and writer...

...Izzy another one who ignores facts about the USA, invariably giving it the benefit of doubt on every issue since the nuclear bombing of two civilian targets which is the kind of end result that US propaganda dreams about...

...The idea that the US criticises another about unilateral aggression is laughable.

1. I'm not 'The Western media' mate, I'm Jizzy.

2. As noted, the war in Iraq (which most oppose) doesn't facilitate a blanket ban on individuals criticising Russia's invasion of Ukraine. People can and do criticise both.

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster; Americans get a say on Russian state TV too.....

Yes and that particular one is Scott Ritter former US Marine Intelligence officer and UN Weapons inspector in Iraq prior to the invasion. He it was who opined that there were no WMDs which proved to be correct.

He's certainly no ratbag Lefty, more a pillar of the establishment and you still blithely dismiss his input?

[bondi.boy]

Peter Dutton is my hero.
He knows all about everything...especially our national security.
Hopefully he'll be elected Prime Minister at the next election.

[Random Rooster]

Yes and that particular one is Scott Ritter former US Marine Intelligence officer and UN Weapons inspector in Iraq prior to the invasion. He it was who opined that there were no WMDs which proved to be correct.

He's certainly no ratbag Lefty, more a pillar of the establishment and you still blithely dismiss his input?

He actually played both sides- when he was the chief weapons inspector he claimed there were weapons of mass destruction- more than were reported by his predecessors and without any evidence. He resigned because the US and the UK were not tough enough on Iraq. He then claimed there were no weapons of mass destruction-it was all bullshit. Would have been nice if he said that when he was in charge of the inspections instead of saying totally the opposite.

Now he's a convicted child offender looking to stay relevant

[Random Rooster]

peter dutton is my hero.
He knows all about everything...especially our national security.
Hopefully he'll be elected prime minister at the next election.

lol

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=Random Rooster;
............Now he's a convicted child offender looking to stay relevant

Very convenient that he's a whistle blower and then damned as a sex offender. Poor ol' Julian got no hope. He's a "spy" apparently.

"Thanks to the fella down under" tells us that we're not on their radar except as a strategic pawn and our tame ALP government is frightened to take the intelligence services on. The research since the coup in '75 suggests that the US was behind it. After the raid on ASIO and Whitlam's intention to pack up Pine Gap, US intelligence wanted regime change.

[ism22]

............Now he's a convicted child offender looking to stay relevant

Very convenient that he's a whistle blower and then damned as a sex offender. Poor ol' Julian got no hope. He's a "spy" apparently.

"Thanks to the fella down under" tells us that we're not on their radar except as a strategic pawn and our tame ALP government is frightened to take the intelligence services on. The research since the coup in '75 suggests that the US was behind it. After the raid on ASIO and Whitlam's intention to pack up Pine Gap, US intelligence wanted regime change.

1. Learn how to quote, you nazi.

2. Do you notice that every time one of your heroes/theories gets discredited you go straight for the conspiracy theory that this MUST all be a fabrication in order to get rid of them?

[Random Rooster]

Very convenient that he's a whistle blower and then damned as a sex offender. Poor ol' Julian got no hope. He's a "spy" apparently.

"Thanks to the fella down under" tells us that we're not on their radar except as a strategic pawn and our tame ALP government is frightened to take the intelligence services on. The research since the coup in '75 suggests that the US was behind it. After the raid on ASIO and Whitlam's intention to pack up Pine Gap, US intelligence wanted regime change.

Very convenient?? You saying he was set up? Yes he was. Cops are always posing as underage children on the sicko websites. Ritter got caught but rejected a police deal sticking to his story that the website was only for over 18s- he never denied that the dialogue ever took place....so off to court he went. Unfortunately for Ritter the transcripts showed the cop he was talking to made it very obvious that it was a 16 year old he was going to meet up with.....so off to jail he went. There goes any chance Ritter would ever be taken seriously by the US media....but countries like Russia aren't as fussy, as long as you say what they want to hear.

Yes i've heard of the CIA/Whitlam dismissal theory. This "research" you speak of is just Pilgers theory- he presented no evidence. I think he took the opportunity of Whitlams death to bring up his theory on the events leading to Whitlams dismissal-but not many took it seriously the second time as was the case the first time. Im not saying he was wrong-im just giving the facts around it.

Ok....now it's time to go ahead and call me a sheepie and MSM junkie!!

[Rooster1908]

Yep exactly. Just because I oppose Putin’s ‘special military operation’ doesn’t mean I endorse US foreign policy.

I dont endorse US policy either . Unless Putrid or China comes after us and then I do

[Paddo Colt 61]

No doubt about it Randy, I see MSM in everything that you utter. Do you believe that the MSM dominated by US media sources is, generally, dedicated to truth? You seem to prefer its version (usually the US's or Murdoch's) over any alternative. "Been readin' The Tele all me life. It tells it straight America is good and its critics are baaaad!"

Pilger's view of the Coup is shared by many others these days with the Palace letters indicating that the Brits played a part also. What are your "facts" surrounding it anyway? No one has facts but US involvement is the most plausible explanation as it is for the Nordstream gas pipeline sabotage.

[eddie]

Very convenient that he's a whistle blower and then damned as a sex offender. .

Hmmmm.......................some heroes you've got Colt.
It occurs to me that you'd swallow any rubbish Pilger writes. You may cherry-pick more than most, but you're still a bit of a sheep yourself.