Minus Russian propaganda, what's the real story on the Ukraine?

[King Salvo]

[QUOTE=Paddo Colt 61;n967761][QUOTE=King Salvo: You would rather millions killed instead in an island by island invasion of Japan just as long as they didn't drop the bomb

It was a racist act King and would still be going on had it not been for brave, principled American scientists who gave the science to Soviet Russia in the 50s. We see the same thing with Vietnam, Korea, the Middle East and even with BLM. Spoiler; The US is racist!

Your US sycophancy is becoming a source of wonder. Grew up with Leave it to Beaver and Rawhide did we? All of that American sport is also a worry - most of it - the NFL and the baseball is like watching paint dry.
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What a load of twaddle - Racist it was not.- The Soviet Union was racist - they call it ethnic cleansing nowadays.

Ah yes the Soviet Union mass deportations from the early 1930's to the 1950's/Forced famine/Gulags/Purges/Executions etc etc - You of course will say it didn't happen - It wasn't until the 1960's they stopped using those types of Gulags - over 18 million were sent to Gulags and over 1.6 million died.

On 26 April 1991 the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Socialist Federal Soviet Republic, under its chairman Boris Yeltsin, passed the law On the Rehabilitation of Repressed Peoples with Article 2 denouncing all mass deportations as "Stalin's policy of defamation and genocide."

What a system it was Soviet Union/Communism - live in constant fear of one slip of the tongue and it's off to a gulag or executed - 18 hours of hard labour each day in a Gulag - mmm lets build a wall as well and con the citizens it's to keep the west out

You wouldn't last under that system no matter how much anti-american/west/capitalist nonsense you spoke/wrote

Why would you want to give the plans for the Atomic Bomb to a despot like Stalin for - Fuchs got off lightly - after a rather light prison sentence he was deported to East Germany to be with his kind - other brainwashed commo's

You would have been upset in not living in Cuba and missing out on listening to all of Castro's marathon speeches which were compulsory viewing/listening- what fun listening to over 4 hours each time of utter commo rubbish.

Oh I almost forget MLB latest

Astros up 2 games to 0 vs Yankees in the best of 7 games ALCS

Phillies and Padres 1 game all in the best of 7 games NLCS

[Paddo Colt 61]

People been talkin' in real naive terms here. The Japs were forced into a position economically where there was little option to war with the US in 1941 and didn't the US make the most of that as they have done with 9/11. Provoke, bully, interfere, threaten and then " Hey look at this mob willya? They're fanatical and a threat to the free world". The mugs applaud, wallow in the propaganda, froth at the mouth and race to join up and fight for freedom.

The American Civil War was not about slavery, it was about future economic directions. Would the future be industrial capitalist or a plantation economy dominated by the descendants of southern Anglo grandees. The war decided that issue and in the 1880s the Secretary of State pronounced what became known as Carnegie's Iron Law. It held that given an open field and fair competition, the output of American factories would always prevail and dominate. The same principle guides American foreign policy today. America is a world hegemon committed to dominating global market share and that is at the crux of its beef with China. All of the noble sentimentality is flim flam and they use soft power to propagandise and to keep the sheeple committed.

Now Russia is in their sights and has been since the demise of the Soviets. The Americans think that Russia wields influence in Eastern Europe way beyond its actual status.

I saw a prime example of soft power propaganda on Netflix last night - a movie called "Nobody" which I was attracted to because the lead was the guy from "Better Call Saul". The hero is an individual (of course), a family man, the nerdy, ordinary modest downtrodden type who, unknown to everyone, is a decommissioned special forces sort who, with the assistance of his nursing home bound father (would you believe) and the obligatory black former associate, takes on the RUSSIAN mob, eventually obliterating the lot of them (and there are hundreds) including their Satanic head man. It's a ridiculous film and the propaganda is laid on with a trowel but then the sheeple aren't usually discerning. Cliche Boys and US patriots Izzy and the King would love it.

[King Salvo]

People been talkin' in real naive terms here. The Japs were forced into a position economically where there was little option to war with the US in 1941 and didn't the US make the most of that as they have done with 9/11. Provoke, bully, interfere, threaten and then " Hey look at this mob willya? They're fanatical and a threat to the free world". The mugs applaud, wallow in the propaganda, froth at the mouth and race to join up and fight for freedom.

The American Civil War was not about slavery, it was about future economic directions. Would the future be industrial capitalist or a plantation economy dominated by the descendants of southern Anglo grandees. The war decided that issue and in the 1880s the Secretary of State pronounced what became known as Carnegie's Iron Law. It held that given an open field and fair competition, the output of American factories would always prevail and dominate. The same principle guides American foreign policy today. America is a world hegemon committed to dominating global market share and that is at the crux of its beef with China. All of the noble sentimentality is flim flam and they use soft power to propagandise and to keep the sheeple committed.

Now Russia is in their sights and has been since the demise of the Soviets. The Americans think that Russia wields influence in Eastern Europe way beyond its actual status.

I saw a prime example of soft power propaganda on Netflix last night - a movie called "No Name" which I was attracted to because the lead was the guy from "Better Call Saul". The hero is an individual (of course), a family man, the nerdy, ordinary modest downtrodden type who, unknown to everyone, is a decommissioned special forces sort who, with the assistance of his nursing home bound father (would you believe) and the obligatory black former associate, takes on the RUSSIAN mob, eventually obliterating the lot of them (and there are hundreds) including their Satanic head man. It's a ridiculous film and the propaganda is laid on with a trowel but then the sheeple aren't usually discerning. Cliche Boys and US patriots Izzy and the King would love it.

The true sheepies where the poor folk in the commo countries brainwashed from birth on socialism and marxism idealism and those that still advocate for a return of such wicked idealism.

Once the people woke up and took action against the repressive and de-humanizing system which is communism not even the Soviets would or could stop it - Honecker begging the Soviets to intervene in East Germany to quell the protests and discontent as they had previously done in Hungary and Czechoslovakia but to no avail as the Soviets knew the gig was up.

The old compromise that the East German Puppet Government would allow some East Germans to visit or migrate to West Germany turned into a flood and the East German border guards just let them through into free West Germany

The rest is history as they say - down come the wall but your hero little Legs Putin want's to re-erect it figuratively and return to that ghastly commo style system of sole Moscow control by force

Little Legs Putin did say "that the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”

It will take a few generations before pollies in Russia will be from those folk that were born post Soviet Union times who hopefully won't have a cold war /soviet union mindset as the current bunch of cronies do

[ism22]

People been talkin' in real naive terms here. The Japs were forced into a position economically where there was little option to war with the US in 1941 and didn't the US make the most of that as they have done with 9/11. Provoke, bully, interfere, threaten and then " Hey look at this mob willya? They're fanatical and a threat to the free world".

1. You literally have no idea. You're so wrong (and whacky) that there's nothing to discuss.

2. Also, dude, "Japs" is not the preferred nomenclature.

[Rooster1908]

So I think what old Pado is saying is that the west is never right and everyone who opposes them is never wrong . Why didn't he just lead with that from the beginning and we would have all know not to argue . Idjits

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=King Salvo; The true sheepies where the poor folk in the commo countries brainwashed from birth on socialism and marxism idealism and those that still advocate for a return of such wicked idealism.

Once the people woke up and took action against the repressive and de-humanizing system which is communism not even the Soviets would or could stop it - Honecker begging the Soviets to intervene in East Germany to quell the protests and discontent as they had previously done in Hungary and Czechoslovakia but to no avail as the Soviets knew the gig was up.
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"The people" my arse! The vast majority of the common folk don't know which way is up and what's more, they don't wanna know, but they're certainly prone to believe that grass is greener and that's what US propaganda focused on in the East German case. Glowing dream kitchens, American music and fashion, the freedom to shop. Whilst in the US 50 million live in mobile homes and millions more are working poor who live in abject poverty. No doubt many East Germans now know they've been taken for a ride.

The people don't decide anything Salvo, they're schmucks. When they "take action" it's at the behest of well financed ideological agitators spruiking meaningless slogans about freedom, whatever that means to a peasant or factory worker. The mugs bought Liberty, Equality and Fraternity in the French Revolution blissfully unaware that the slogan applied only to the bourgeoisie. You're the one "brainwashed from birth". You believe in a God ffs.

And fgs an apostrophe is not used for all words ending in "s". The Apostrophe is a symbol denoting possession (unless it indicates a missing letter in a Contraction). I know it's not an enormous deal but it detracts from the credibility of things that you say.

[mightyrooster]

So we’ve established that both Russia and the US are racist, both spread propaganda to their dumb sheeple, and each think they’re more righteous and superior than the other? Is this correct?

[Paddo Colt 61]

All States manipulate their sheeple and media dips an oar as well but the US is far and away the most proficient and it has to be because since its inception it has been involved in 90+ wars resulting in the destruction of countless lives. Its Empire building also needed/needs popular support and credibility, after all it is/was a nation built on slavery so to any thinking person nothing was/is beyond it in its rapacious accumulation of wealth and power including the use of nuclear weapons. It consumes 40% of the world's natural resources and that causes trouble when the leadership of countries object - "Yankee go home" is a well worn sentiment in the undeveloped world.

In order to have things go the way it wants Regime Change is a favoured option and there have been scores of episodes since the war. Propaganda is necessary to calm any misgivings about that at home and abroad and Despite what white man's Media insists there is little support for it with regard to Ukraine or China outside the Anglosphere where its propaganda doesn't wash - Al Jazeera was infamously shelled in the early stages of the invasion of Iraq - but it works a treat in the Anglosphere where the sheeple might be called on to join some Coalition of the willing against some nominated bad guy. It has sold itself, despite all, as the beacon of freedom, a nation interested solely in the welfare of mankind. The cliche boys believe that tosh.

Malcolm Fraser wrote a book titled "Dangerous Ally" warning us about the danger of getting too close to the US so I'm in pretty good company saying the things that I do. He saw it up close and to his credit he called it out.

[Random Rooster]

People been talkin' in real naive terms here. The Japs were forced into a position economically where there was little option to war with the US in 1941 and didn't the US make the most of that as they have done with 9/11. Provoke, bully, interfere, threaten and then " Hey look at this mob willya? They're fanatical and a threat to the free world". The mugs applaud, wallow in the propaganda, froth at the mouth and race to join up and fight for freedom.

yeah the Americans stopped selling oil to the Japs and froze their assets in the US...to stop their progress in the pacific and far east. To say they were "forced" into starting a war with the US makes it sound like they had no choice- however they did have a choice.

To attack Pearl Harbour and thinking it would bring the Americans to the negotiation table was a massive miscalculation and showed how delusional the Japanese were with their planned conquests. Even if the Americans didn't have the nuclear capability, they were still going to hit back on Japanese soil with a advanced military that dwarfed the Japanese.

That was then. As i pointed out in one of my recent posts the Japanese are now very much the friends of both the US & Australia.

[King Salvo]

All States manipulate their sheeple and media dips an oar as well but the US is far and away the most proficient and it has to be because since its inception it has been involved in 90+ wars resulting in the destruction of countless lives. Its Empire building also needed/needs popular support and credibility, after all it is/was a nation built on slavery so to any thinking person nothing was/is beyond it in its rapacious accumulation of wealth and power including the use of nuclear weapons. It consumes 40% of the world's natural resources and that causes trouble when the leadership of countries object - "Yankee go home" is a well worn sentiment in the undeveloped world.

In order to have things go the way it wants Regime Change is a favoured option and there have been scores of episodes since the war. Propaganda is necessary to calm any misgivings about that at home and abroad and Despite what white man's Media insists there is little support for it with regard to Ukraine or China outside the Anglosphere where its propaganda doesn't wash - Al Jazeera was infamously shelled in the early stages of the invasion of Iraq - but it works a treat in the Anglosphere where the sheeple might be called on to join some Coalition of the willing against some nominated bad guy. It has sold itself, despite all, as the beacon of freedom, a nation interested solely in the welfare of mankind. The cliche boys believe that tosh.

Malcolm Fraser wrote a book titled "Dangerous Ally" warning us about the danger of getting too close to the US so I'm in pretty good company saying the things that I do. He saw it up close and to his credit he called it out.

A couple of questions Comrade Paddo

Can you give us your take on the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan and what impact this has had worldwide

In your opinion was it a good or bad existence for people that lived under Communist regimes pre and post world war 2

Under which system would you rather live a Communist one or Capitalist one

[Andrew Walker]

A couple of questions Comrade Paddo

Can you give us your take on the Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan and what impact this has had worldwide

In your opinion was it a good or bad existence for people that lived under Communist regimes pre and post world war 2

Under which system would you rather live a Communist one or Capitalist one

I know the question isn’t directed at me But my guess is PC is a socialist So I’d say something in between

[Paddo Colt 61]

"Communist" is a slur in the West, made so by relentless negative US propaganda which persisted and doubled down on after it invaded the new Soviet in 1919. I'm unsure whether Australians are more prone than others to believe just about everything that they are told but they have taken to mass advertised gambling with relish so that world beating status must indicate something as far as credulousness is concerned. Elsewhere, Communism is regarded as a perfectly legitimate political alternative.

In the late 70s a Communist government was elected in Afghanistan - red lights in the US and, of course red lights among the feudal chiefdoms that have historically dominated the place using religion to ensure conformity. True to form, the US provided the "Freedom fighting rebels" with massive support which resulted in the Afghan government requesting Russian help. Like the Ukraine, Afghanistan is important to Russian security so help took the form of military support. There was no "invasion" that's just once again parroting US propaganda. As most know by now, responsibility for the calamitous effect of that conflict on the rest of the world lays firmly with the US, it provided massive assistance and training to the Muzahadin. Osama Bin Laden was its protege! Own goal that one!

Given that Russia was the most backward, corrupt and poorest nation in Europe in the early part of the 20th Century, the revolution would have been a positive thing and Russia's economic transformation was rapid to the point where it won the anti fascist war at enormous cost (WW2 was overwhelmingly a Russo-German war) as the "Allies" looked on for four years hoping for the worst.

Capitalism is faulty on many fronts - boom and bust cycles, disparity of wealth, waste, despoliation of the environment and conflict but the Chinese have so far made it work in spectacular fashion so, in short I would be happy to live under that sort of model.

I will say once again that Russia is not Communist it is a Capitalist nation (as is China) but Salvo uses the irrelevance of the tag in an attempt to discredit. It's an age old ploy here, a favorite of our "free" press and historically a election winner for the Right. So what's good for the goose,,,,, you're a Fascist King, a Proud Boy, Sieg heil!!!!!

[ism22]

"The people" my arse! The vast majority of the common folk don't know which way is up.

1. You can't even cite the idiom correctly.

2. Who says we're all stupid... particularly when compared with you?

3. Other than a heap of unrelated anti-'west' messaging, you really haven't added anything to the topic. Russia's still trying to conquer Ukraine. I remain opposed to this, noting that you support it as you are pro-war and pro-fascism.

[King Salvo]

"Communist" is a slur in the West, made so by relentless negative US propaganda which persisted and doubled down on after it invaded the new Soviet in 1919. I'm unsure whether Australians are more prone than others to believe just about everything that they are told but they have taken to mass advertised gambling with relish so that world beating status must indicate something as far as credulousness is concerned. Elsewhere, Communism is regarded as a perfectly legitimate political alternative.

In the late 70s a Communist government was elected in Afghanistan - red lights in the US and, of course red lights among the feudal chiefdoms that have historically dominated the place using religion to ensure conformity. True to form, the US provided the "Freedom fighting rebels" with massive support which resulted in the Afghan government requesting Russian help. Like the Ukraine, Afghanistan is important to Russian security so help took the form of military support. There was no "invasion" that's just once again parroting US propaganda. As most know by now, responsibility for the calamitous effect of that conflict on the rest of the world lays firmly with the US, it provided massive assistance and training to the Muzahadin. Osama Bin Laden was its protege! Own goal that one!

Given that Russia was the most backward, corrupt and poorest nation in Europe in the early part of the 20th Century, the revolution would have been a positive thing and Russia's economic transformation was rapid to the point where it won the anti fascist war at enormous cost (WW2 was overwhelmingly a Russo-German war) as the "Allies" looked on for four years hoping for the worst.

Capitalism is faulty on many fronts - boom and bust cycles, disparity of wealth, waste, despoliation of the environment and conflict but the Chinese have so far made it work in spectacular fashion so, in short I would be happy to live under that sort of model.

I will say once again that Russia is not Communist it is a Capitalist nation (as is China) but Salvo uses the irrelevance of the tag in an attempt to discredit. It's an age old ploy here, a favorite of our "free" press and historically a election winner for the Right. So what's good for the goose,,,,, you're a Fascist King, a Proud Boy, Sieg heil!!!!!

The Soviet Union backed and aided the Afghan Communist insurgents who came to power via the Saur revolution and not by any elections.

Well if you love the Chinese system soooooooooo much why are you living here still though in this in your mind "decadent west capitalist country".

You are a contradiction to say the least with your enduring love of China/Russia etc vs your hatred of the West but you still choose to live in the West though - why ?

All talk and no action

[Paddo Colt 61]

[QUOTE=King Salvo; Well if you love the Chinese system soooooooooo much why are you living here still though in this in your mind "decadent west capitalist country".
You are a contradiction to say the least with your enduring love of China/Russia etc vs your hatred of the West but you still choose to live in the West though - why ?

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Sieg Heil Von Salvo.

'Cause Russia was not Communist last time I looked and besides, I'm not Russian.

'Cause I'm not Chinese either.

On the other hand why aren't you over in the USA? To be fair you just about are, living here. We've even got an American with near monopoly ownership of our MSM. The Tea Party, The Proud Boyz and the Oath Keepers would fight over you - not often that a passionate foreign Nazi patriot comes their way. Such is your passion that one day I hope to thank you for your service but that day might never come 'cause you're the kinda guy that says, "Well if there's a nuclear war it'll be Putin's fault".

You're wasted here really when you could be over there haranguing any malcontents, assuring them that more than 1 million dead from Covid has far more merit than the Chinese few thousand (those fools put their citizens' safety before money, can you believe that?) or that trailer park living is a hoot as is not being able to afford health care. And how good is life on the US minimum wage or the excitement to be felt being a waiter earning tips only not to mention the frisson of being drafted for military service in one of the endless wars for freedom. Tip: Don't get sick over there pal.

If you wanted to go negative you could sneer at the Chows who have free medical care, free university education, affordable housing and a minimum wage fast becoming comparable with that earned by the deliriously happy American working class - those fcukin' Chinese losers, 96% of them approve of their rulers' performance. Meatheads!